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Old 06-29-2016, 02:38 AM   #76
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10 mile ride this afternoon at 92* ambient temperature. Case temp 215* Cylinder temp 245* when i got back, Cannot get the bike into neutral without shutting it off or going back and forth from 1 to 2 10-15 times and getting lucky. Running 1/4" Clutch free play. DO NOT have this issue when it's in the 50's. That is why i started looking into this in the 1st place. I just think heat is expanding things enough to cause this. Bike has a little over 300 miles on it. The other bike from the 2 pack i bought does the same thing..........
That sounds like a cable issue to me. Have you lubed the cable? If so, what with?
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Old 06-29-2016, 03:49 AM   #77
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Actually just ordered a 13 tooth for where i ride.....
gotta wonder, what in hell are you riding? 13 on a hawk? that's trials bike territory!
but that WOULD explain the clutch concerns
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Old 06-29-2016, 09:23 AM   #78
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gotta wonder, what in hell are you riding? 13 on a hawk? that's trials bike territory!
but that WOULD explain the clutch concerns
I just ordered a 13t as well. I took the bike in the woods in back of my house and was making my own trail. It's so much harder to do that on the hawk vs my ATV. I figure the 13t will be perfect to crawl through the woods.


 
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Old 06-29-2016, 09:56 AM   #79
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10 mile ride this afternoon at 92* ambient temperature. Case temp 215* Cylinder temp 245* when i got back, Cannot get the bike into neutral without shutting it off or going back and forth from 1 to 2 10-15 times and getting lucky. Running 1/4" Clutch free play. DO NOT have this issue when it's in the 50's. That is why i started looking into this in the 1st place. I just think heat is expanding things enough to cause this. Bike has a little over 300 miles on it. The other bike from the 2 pack i bought does the same thing..........
I think your finding neutral problems are being caused by clutch drag. Try tightening your clutch cable adjuster to 1/8 inch free play, and see if this helps. Are you using a full synthetic oil? Another possibility is that the clutch cable it self is stretching too much. Try a name brand clutch cable. Final cheap fix is to try a clutch lever with more cable pull. It will pull a little harder, but should free the plates.


 
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Old 07-01-2016, 01:11 PM   #80
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If I ever buy one of these scoots, I will do what we did in the old days. Set the throttle so that it completely shuts off. I think because of the light flywheels, the idle speed is too high for decent engine braking at low speed. A second benefit of full throttle shut off is when you drop the bike, the engine shuts off as soon as you release the twist grip. You will thank yourself for doing this if you ever dump it crossing a stream! Clutches were never designed for that kind of use.
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It will do it rolling reasonably well. Problem off road in the mountains is their is not a lot of rolling to a stop lol. Lot of 1st gear work. I just hate holding the clutch in while maneuvering down a tight single track. Would rather be in neutral walking it down carefully. Too damn old to spill it lol!


 
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Old 07-01-2016, 01:26 PM   #81
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To all of you guys out there, there is a great teaching video on youtube. It is a four section film made by the English Army on Dispatch Riders, and how to handle a big heavy motorcycle off road. One of the great motorcycles of all time - the Norton 16H WD. About same horsepower but much more torque. Anyway, it teaches new riders how to get the best out of this beast in places you would never believe it could go. One part I learned from it was the correct speed crossing a stream. Watch these films carefully. The Hawk is a much more easily ridden bike, but the technique is, if anything, more useful to you. I found it when I Googled up "Norton 16H."
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If I ever buy one of these scoots, I will do what we did in the old days. Set the throttle so that it completely shuts off. I think because of the light flywheels, the idle speed is too high for decent engine braking at low speed. A second benefit of full throttle shut off is when you drop the bike, the engine shuts off as soon as you release the twist grip. You will thank yourself for doing this if you ever dump it crossing a stream! Clutches were never designed for that kind of use.


 
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Old 07-17-2016, 04:13 PM   #82
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Old 07-19-2016, 05:01 PM   #83
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have you got a price on one of those coolers yet mjstef I am interested.


 
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Old 08-29-2016, 11:48 AM   #84
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Oil coolers Mystef?


 
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Old 08-29-2016, 01:05 PM   #85
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Oil coolers Mystef?

Working with a freight forwarder at the moment. Trying to consolidate and order ans the air freight is killer. The oil cooler setup i am running would be over $100 each air freighted. Trying to get it under $75.
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Old 08-29-2016, 01:07 PM   #86
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Working with a freight forwarder at the moment. Trying to consolidate and order ans the air freight is killer. The oil cooler setup i am running would be over $100 each air freighted. Trying to get it under $75.
How has it been working for you?


 
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Old 08-29-2016, 01:21 PM   #87
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Old 08-29-2016, 03:11 PM   #88
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How has it been working for you?
To be honest i have put less than 30 miles on it this summer. The cluster deal has been keeping me hopping in all my spare time which is very little and i was also gone for 10 days in Northern Wisconsin. I need to get a temp gauge installed to really see what it does but it does seem to shift better after riding a while. Also noted no difference in the oil level after sitting overnight so i know it's not siphoning......


 
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Old 08-29-2016, 03:17 PM   #89
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To be honest i have put less than 30 miles on it this summer. The cluster deal has been keeping me hopping in all my spare time which is very little and i was also gone for 10 days in Northern Wisconsin. I need to get a temp gauge installed to really see what it does but it does seem to shift better after riding a while. Also noted no difference in the oil level after sitting overnight so i know it's not siphoning......
Thanks let us know how it goes.


 
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Old 08-30-2016, 12:17 AM   #90
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I want a oil cooler road a 100 miles single track in mt all the way to 10.000 feet bike got so hot


 
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