Templar X catalytic converter glowing on long idle.

Sportbike83 · 07-25-2023, 04:19 PM

Anyone else run in to this. I'm considering just punching it out. I've tried re jetting bothe the stock 28 and a PE30 all the way up to a 48 pilot. Still at a long stop light it will glow.

**JerryHawk250** · 07-25-2023, 04:44 PM

What RPM'S is it idling at? Should be around 1,500 rpms. A high idle will heat it up quick.

Sportbike83 · 07-25-2023, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

What RPM'S is it idling at? Should be around 1,500 rpms. A high idle will heat it up quick.

When warmed it runs between 1500 and 2000. I'm more wondering now if during manufacturing this one was damaged a little and is to restrictive. It doesn't extend past it and nothing before it. Just that section of catalyst.

**JerryHawk250** · 07-25-2023, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportbike83

When warmed it runs between 1500 and 2000. I'm more wondering now if during manufacturing this one was damaged a little and is to restrictive. It doesn't extend past it and nothing before it. Just that section of catalyst.

Might be an intake air leak making it run lean.

Sportbike83 · 07-25-2023, 05:29 PM

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Might be an intake air leak making it run lean.

I think I have a can of Brake clean. I'll check that tonight

Huck369 · 07-26-2023, 06:57 AM

Running lean will cause that for sure

Megadan · 07-26-2023, 09:19 AM

Generally speaking, running rich causes only the cat to glow. Lean would cause most of the head pipe to glow as well.

What's the difference? Lean exhaust is hot right out of the head. Rich exhaust is actually cooler. Why does the cat glow? Unburned hydrocarbons burn off at the cat, and if the engine has a PAIR system (air injection) it really ramps up that burn and makes it get very hot.

This was seen a lot in the mid 2000's on diesel trucks that had regen cycles for the cats. The computer on those trucks would ramp up the engine speed to spool the turbo, and do a double injector pulse to get more fuel into the exhaust to help burn off carbon by igniting raw fuel in the cat with a bunch of fresh air. The cats would glow red, and they sometimes got so hot they would melt the cab of the truck or the asphalt under them.

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Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,909	Generally speaking, running rich causes only the cat to glow. Lean would cause most of the head pipe to glow as well. What's the difference? Lean exhaust is hot right out of the head. Rich exhaust is actually cooler. Why does the cat glow? Unburned hydrocarbons burn off at the cat, and if the engine has a PAIR system (air injection) it really ramps up that burn and makes it get very hot. This was seen a lot in the mid 2000's on diesel trucks that had regen cycles for the cats. The computer on those trucks would ramp up the engine speed to spool the turbo, and do a double injector pulse to get more fuel into the exhaust to help burn off carbon by igniting raw fuel in the cat with a bunch of fresh air. The cats would glow red, and they sometimes got so hot they would melt the cab of the truck or the asphalt under them. __________________ 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2010 VFR1200F - http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20708
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