Greetings

herbie · 05-15-2019, 05:15 AM

Hello all, I don't own a Chinese bike yet but I am looking into it as we speak. I'm an old guy who's been riding and owning motorcycles for 46 years and loving the variety of bikes out there. I currently ride a 2002 Kawasaki Concours 1000 but I would like to get a smaller bike to throw my leg over. I'm leaning towards the Bashan bikes, I love the Brozz and the Storm both. It seems the Brozz bikes are non existent, but I've found a few of the Storms, actually there is a local powersports that has one in stock. I will probably order one when I'm ready though because I want the thrill of putting the bike together and making sure everything is right on the bike. I've watched a few you tubes with Motocheez and others. I like the hawk as well so that may be an option too. Anyway Hello from Illinois!

**JerryHawk250** · 05-15-2019, 07:33 AM

Welcome aboard!

The Brozz is available. Contact Jeff with Peace Sports Atlanta., he's a Chinariders Member here.

jeffreyp@peacesports.com
770-662-1898 x106

goat67 · 05-15-2019, 07:48 AM

Hello and Welcome, the Brozz is a nice bike

Megadan · 05-15-2019, 08:26 AM

Howdy! Lots of guys on here just like you that have/had bigger bikes and either wanted to get into riding again, or like me just enjoy a simple, small, slower bike to put around on that isn't a big heavy fire breather. The Bashan bikes are both good and have a strong following. If I had to choose between the two I think I would take the storm personally, or the new TaoTao TBR7. I like disc brakes on both ends of my bikes if I have a choice. If the Hawk is a possibility, then the BMS (Bashan also) CRP250 would be their closest equivalent to it. The Bashan bikes are a good option for those living in places that may not register a Hawk since it isn't technically 49 state legal.

dpl096 · 05-15-2019, 07:59 PM

Welcome aboard from another inmate of Hellinois.

herbie · 05-16-2019, 04:39 AM

Thanks all for the welcome!

wedooit · 05-16-2019, 09:58 AM

Welcome herbie! I bought the BMS250crp for my wife. Venders list the seat height wrong, it is actually 35" approx. I looked at the storm. Megdan gave me some advice to me....I don't think he would mind me sharing...

"As far as which bike to get. I view most of these bikes as basically all the same horse in a different color. That being said, of the 4 bikes you are considering, I would split them into two groups. Group 1 is the "big wheels," which would be the Hawk and CRP 250. Group 2 is the "small wheels," or the TBR7 and Storm.

Group 1 advantages are specifically the bigger wheels. They will be better for off road, and finding tires is way easier since they use common sizes available from everywhere. The main disadvantage is obviously the seat heights are taller, at 34-35 inches.

Group 2 advantage = lower seat heights and counter balanced motors (less vibration). The disadvantage is that they can be annoying to find tires for.

Other than that, there isn't much between them. Same basic designs, engines, etc.

If it was me, I would go for a Group 1 bike if the main intent was off road riding. Then I would do the Seat Concepts seat and/or a shorter rear shock as needed to make it manageable for the height of the rider.

If I were going to choose between either of those two bikes, I would honestly recommend the CRP250 before the Hawk. However, if budget is really tight, you could easily get a Hawk. The Hawk is plenty capable of what you want to do.

I would say plan out either bike. Cost of the bike delivered, upgrades needed to make it work for you, and any other mods you would like to do, add it up, and see which bike fits the budget that you have to work with and make that the real deciding factor. "

If seat height is a factor, check out northrider posts, as they shaved the seat and did a great job. 2lz told me that if you order the seat from csc, you only get the cover and the foam. so for $200 or what ever it is, I would, and we are going to shave the seat ourselves.

Now, I am not sure, but the blue eagle brozz from peace sports, could be a counter balanced engine. You will have to check on that.

I looked at the Storm, as a dealer in Salt Lake had some, nice bike! Counter balanced engine. Don at apmc has some good pricing on these. if you contact him he might make a better deal. I almost bought one from him. Chiptoothy here has many miles on his storm and loves it!

I researched these bikes for almost two months, drank too many cups of coffee, and a few beers at nite reading posts and deciding what to do.

If you need some advice on the bms250crp, let me know.

good luck and welcome here!!!! by the way, I have a few or many grey hairs, and hate to admit I am older dude, but still enjoy that throttle sensation!

herbie · 05-16-2019, 07:42 PM

Good write up wedooit, good points to consider. I am fairly tall at 6' 1'' and 190 lbs so the taller bikes appeal more to me.
When I was first just casually browsing the net I came across the Tao Tao 250 and the Hawk 250 both for $1399 delivered and I get to assemble it too, COOL! I was in and ready to dive in then I thought I better research first. Oh Boy, that's when the doubts started to come in. Tall bike or Short? Balance shaft or not? Cheap price or more quality? Which seller to buy from? yadda yadda yadda.
Since this is going to be a play bike I will probably just get the cheap one and upgrade as needed.
I would very much like your take on the BMS250crp. Where did you buy it from? I haven't researched that bike very much so whatever you give me will help, Thanks

**JerryHawk250** · 05-16-2019, 08:04 PM

Don Hopper with shopampc is one of the few good dealers around. http://shopapmc.com/New-BMS-Bashan-2...ine-_p_15.html

holden · 05-16-2019, 08:10 PM

Hi all, long time rider, started in 1973 0n a H-D superglide. ( I know right, old man)!
:thanks:Just got a tao tbr7, Whats the diff between the Hawk? Thanks

dpl096 · 05-16-2019, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by holden

Hi all, long time rider, started in 1973 0n a H-D superglide. ( I know right, old man)!

Just got a tao tbr7, Whats the diff between the Hawk? Thanks

Welcome aboard.... Congratulations on the tbr7. I think they great looking bikes and a solid value.

herbie · 05-17-2019, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

Don Hopper with shopampc is one of the few good dealers around. http://shopapmc.com/New-BMS-Bashan-2...ine-_p_15.html

Thanks for this! I will give them a call today

culcune · 05-17-2019, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by herbie

Thanks for this! I will give them a call today

If you scroll down, Don has the Bashan BSR 250 'Enforcer' (he named that himself) for $1179. Same bike as the Hawk as far as looks, but it is a Bashan and EPA/DOT certified 49 state legal. Comes geared 17/46 for the street. There are a few differences between it and the Hawk. The BMS would probably be more refined, however, for a little more $.

**JerryHawk250** · 05-17-2019, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by culcune

If you scroll down, Don has the Bashan BSR 250 'Enforcer' (he named that himself) for $1179. Same bike as the Hawk as far as looks, but it is a Bashan and EPA/DOT certified 49 state legal. Comes geared 17/46 for the street. There are a few differences between it and the Hawk. The BMS would probably be more refined, however, for a little more $.

And Culcune, He has a Lifan KPR200 or Bashan Extreme DB-47-250 waiting just for you. lol http://shopapmc.com/New-Bashan-Extre...ded-_p_66.html

herbie · 05-17-2019, 09:56 AM

I tried calling and a recording said the number has been disconnected

05-15-2019, 05:15 AM	#1
herbie Join Date: May 2019 Location: Illinois Posts: 864	Greetings Hello all, I don't own a Chinese bike yet but I am looking into it as we speak. I'm an old guy who's been riding and owning motorcycles for 46 years and loving the variety of bikes out there. I currently ride a 2002 Kawasaki Concours 1000 but I would like to get a smaller bike to throw my leg over. I'm leaning towards the Bashan bikes, I love the Brozz and the Storm both. It seems the Brozz bikes are non existent, but I've found a few of the Storms, actually there is a local powersports that has one in stock. I will probably order one when I'm ready though because I want the thrill of putting the bike together and making sure everything is right on the bike. I've watched a few you tubes with Motocheez and others. I like the hawk as well so that may be an option too. Anyway Hello from Illinois!
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05-15-2019, 07:33 AM	#2
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	Welcome aboard! The Brozz is available. Contact Jeff with Peace Sports Atlanta., he's a Chinariders Member here. jeffreyp@peacesports.com 770-662-1898 x106 __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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05-15-2019, 07:48 AM	#3
goat67 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Twin Cities MN Posts: 525	Hello and Welcome, the Brozz is a nice bike __________________ 2016 Brozz
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05-15-2019, 08:26 AM	#4
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,976	Howdy! Lots of guys on here just like you that have/had bigger bikes and either wanted to get into riding again, or like me just enjoy a simple, small, slower bike to put around on that isn't a big heavy fire breather. The Bashan bikes are both good and have a strong following. If I had to choose between the two I think I would take the storm personally, or the new TaoTao TBR7. I like disc brakes on both ends of my bikes if I have a choice. If the Hawk is a possibility, then the BMS (Bashan also) CRP250 would be their closest equivalent to it. The Bashan bikes are a good option for those living in places that may not register a Hawk since it isn't technically 49 state legal. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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05-15-2019, 07:59 PM	#5
dpl096 Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: East Central Hellinois Posts: 1,344	Welcome aboard from another inmate of Hellinois. __________________ ************************************************ * " Time you enjoy wasting, is not wasted." - John Lennon “I predict future happiness for Americans, if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” ― Thomas Jefferson "If you don't know where you're going any road will take you there" ....George Harrison song
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05-16-2019, 04:39 AM	#6
herbie Join Date: May 2019 Location: Illinois Posts: 864	Thanks all for the welcome!
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05-16-2019, 09:58 AM	#7
wedooit Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Pocatello, Idaho Posts: 794	Welcome herbie! I bought the BMS250crp for my wife. Venders list the seat height wrong, it is actually 35" approx. I looked at the storm. Megdan gave me some advice to me....I don't think he would mind me sharing... "As far as which bike to get. I view most of these bikes as basically all the same horse in a different color. That being said, of the 4 bikes you are considering, I would split them into two groups. Group 1 is the "big wheels," which would be the Hawk and CRP 250. Group 2 is the "small wheels," or the TBR7 and Storm. Group 1 advantages are specifically the bigger wheels. They will be better for off road, and finding tires is way easier since they use common sizes available from everywhere. The main disadvantage is obviously the seat heights are taller, at 34-35 inches. Group 2 advantage = lower seat heights and counter balanced motors (less vibration). The disadvantage is that they can be annoying to find tires for. Other than that, there isn't much between them. Same basic designs, engines, etc. If it was me, I would go for a Group 1 bike if the main intent was off road riding. Then I would do the Seat Concepts seat and/or a shorter rear shock as needed to make it manageable for the height of the rider. If I were going to choose between either of those two bikes, I would honestly recommend the CRP250 before the Hawk. However, if budget is really tight, you could easily get a Hawk. The Hawk is plenty capable of what you want to do. I would say plan out either bike. Cost of the bike delivered, upgrades needed to make it work for you, and any other mods you would like to do, add it up, and see which bike fits the budget that you have to work with and make that the real deciding factor. " If seat height is a factor, check out northrider posts, as they shaved the seat and did a great job. 2lz told me that if you order the seat from csc, you only get the cover and the foam. so for $200 or what ever it is, I would, and we are going to shave the seat ourselves. Now, I am not sure, but the blue eagle brozz from peace sports, could be a counter balanced engine. You will have to check on that. I looked at the Storm, as a dealer in Salt Lake had some, nice bike! Counter balanced engine. Don at apmc has some good pricing on these. if you contact him he might make a better deal. I almost bought one from him. Chiptoothy here has many miles on his storm and loves it! I researched these bikes for almost two months, drank too many cups of coffee, and a few beers at nite reading posts and deciding what to do. If you need some advice on the bms250crp, let me know. good luck and welcome here!!!! by the way, I have a few or many grey hairs, and hate to admit I am older dude, but still enjoy that throttle sensation! __________________ A family that works together, plays together, shoots and trains together, and sleds together, stays together. Second amendment! SkiDoo sleds, NOW 2 TTR225, and a BMS250. A couple of quotes (we are not farmers) "I don't get off the farm much" "Am too old school" I call the china bikes "the china syndrome".
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05-16-2019, 07:42 PM	#8
herbie Join Date: May 2019 Location: Illinois Posts: 864	Good write up wedooit, good points to consider. I am fairly tall at 6' 1'' and 190 lbs so the taller bikes appeal more to me. When I was first just casually browsing the net I came across the Tao Tao 250 and the Hawk 250 both for $1399 delivered and I get to assemble it too, COOL! I was in and ready to dive in then I thought I better research first. Oh Boy, that's when the doubts started to come in. Tall bike or Short? Balance shaft or not? Cheap price or more quality? Which seller to buy from? yadda yadda yadda. Since this is going to be a play bike I will probably just get the cheap one and upgrade as needed. I would very much like your take on the BMS250crp. Where did you buy it from? I haven't researched that bike very much so whatever you give me will help, Thanks
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05-16-2019, 08:04 PM	#9
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	Don Hopper with shopampc is one of the few good dealers around. http://shopapmc.com/New-BMS-Bashan-2...ine-_p_15.html __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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05-16-2019, 08:10 PM	#10
holden Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 2	Hi all, long time rider, started in 1973 0n a H-D superglide. ( I know right, old man)! :thanks:Just got a tao tbr7, Whats the diff between the Hawk? Thanks
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05-17-2019, 09:56 AM	#15
herbie Join Date: May 2019 Location: Illinois Posts: 864	I tried calling and a recording said the number has been disconnected
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