The Zongshen TT 250 is Coming

[pismocycleguy]

Originally Posted by SpudRider

Most Chinese engines are copies of old Honda engines. However, there are exceptions.

The ZS177MM (NC250) engine in the Zongshen RX3 is a new design, which was commissioned from an Italian firm. Of course, this engine is manufactured in Chongqing, by Zongshen.

Good information regarding the RX3 engine. So Zongshen after completing the commissioned mfg. job for an Italian company, borrowed the design for their RX3 bike's engine, if I understand you correctly.
Or did Zongshen pay an Italian design company to design and develop a modern engine for the current RX3 bike?
How many years do you think Zongshen has been building and utilizing this engine?

[Darkrider]

If i were to compare the TT to anything it looks a lot like the CRF230/250. Which is not a bad thing and if it is sub 2K like has been mentioned...it will probably do quite well.

[Weldangrind]

The rest of the bike, yes. The motor is quite unlike a CRF; the CG pushrod motor is dependable and it makes good torque, but it's not rev-happy. The good news is that all you need to do is change the oil and set the valves once in awhile. They're quite bullet-proof.

[Darkrider]

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

The rest of the bike, yes. The motor is quite unlike a CRF; the CG pushrod motor is dependable and it makes good torque, but it's not rev-happy. The good news is that all you need to do is change the oil and set the valves once in awhile. They're quite bullet-proof.

So an XR style engine in a CRF style chassis more or less

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by Darkrider

So an XR style engine in a CRF style chassis more or less

Less. The CG is not an XR copy, other than the mounts, and the transmission to some extent. The CG is a very popular engine in South America, South Asia and the UK. It is quite reliable.

I have a few, and I love 'em.

[Mudflap]

This history of the Honda CG is interesting.

http://world.honda.com/history/challenge/1975cg125/

[CSCDude]

I had seen that story once before and it is a good read. I've traveled a lot and the CG engine is one I've seen all over the world. Someone said it is the small block Chevy of the motorcycle world, but there are way more CG engines than there will ever be small block Chevy motors. I had a 150cc CSC Mustang (another CG-engined motorcycle) that I rode to Cabo San Lucas and back; the engine never missed a beat with the throttle pegged nearly the entire 2200 miles. You can read about that ride here: http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=2516

The TT Special has about the same bottom end grunt as the RX3 and it is a hoot to ride. I've only spent a little time with it off road, mostly because I prefer riding the twisties up in the mountains and I don't consider myself much of a dirt rider any more.

The TT Special really shines in the mountains (just like the RX3 does). I will probably get out on the TT again today for a bit, and if I get a chance, I will grab a few more photos. The bike is a lot of fun to ride. It is lighter than the RX3. We have four of the TT Specials in different color combos (copper, white, black with white letters and black with lime green letters). My favorite is the black one with the lime green TT lettering. Some of the guys like the copper one better. In any color, it's a very good looking motorcycle.

[2LZ]

CSC Dude, will the TT be at the IMS in Sacramento this Saturday? I emailed someone at your company about CSC being at the show and was happy to know you'd booked a spot. We will definitely be there to check out the RX3 and hopefully the TT.

[Daeouse]

A very sharp look indeed!

[CSCDude]

Originally Posted by 2LZ

CSC Dude, will the TT be at the IMS in Sacramento this Saturday? I emailed someone at your company about CSC being at the show and was happy to know you'd booked a spot. We will definitely be there to check out the RX3 and hopefully the TT.

We won't have the TT Special at the Sacramento show. Depending on space, we may have it at the Long Beach show.

[culcune]

Originally Posted by CSCDude

I had a 150cc CSC Mustang (another CG-engined motorcycle) that I rode to Cabo San Lucas and back; the engine never missed a beat with the throttle pegged nearly the entire 2200 miles.

Did you find much difference between the Hartford 150cc (Taiwan) and the 229cc Lifan (China) as far as quality issues, etc? Just curious. Also, eagerly awaiting the TT!!

[Darkrider]

Originally Posted by CSCDude

I had seen that story once before and it is a good read. I've traveled a lot and the CG engine is one I've seen all over the world. Someone said it is the small block Chevy of the motorcycle world, but there are way more CG engines than there will ever be small block Chevy motors. I had a 150cc CSC Mustang (another CG-engined motorcycle) that I rode to Cabo San Lucas and back; the engine never missed a beat with the throttle pegged nearly the entire 2200 miles. You can read about that ride here: http://californiascooterco.com/blog/?p=2516

The TT Special has about the same bottom end grunt as the RX3 and it is a hoot to ride. I've only spent a little time with it off road, mostly because I prefer riding the twisties up in the mountains and I don't consider myself much of a dirt rider any more.

The TT Special really shines in the mountains (just like the RX3 does). I will probably get out on the TT again today for a bit, and if I get a chance, I will grab a few more photos. The bike is a lot of fun to ride. It is lighter than the RX3. We have four of the TT Specials in different color combos (copper, white, black with white letters and black with lime green letters). My favorite is the black one with the lime green TT lettering. Some of the guys like the copper one better. In any color, it's a very good looking motorcycle.

Will the TT eventually come to canada as well?

[CSCDude]

Originally Posted by Darkrider

Will the TT eventually come to canada as well?

Yes, but we are a ways away from that. We are going through the US approval process now. Once we get that under our belts, we'll be doing the same in Canada (just as we did for the RX3).

[CSCDude]

Originally Posted by culcune

Did you find much difference between the Hartford 150cc (Taiwan) and the 229cc Lifan (China) as far as quality issues, etc? Just curious. Also, eagerly awaiting the TT!!

The CSC-250 engine was manufactured by Zongshen (who's Lifan?). Both engines were bulletproof.

Now, before all the trolls get their nostrils in a twist, the first comment was made in jest. Visualize me holding up a sarcasm sign. And the second statement was offered figuratively (not literally). If you own either a CSC-150 or a CSC-250 and fire a .357 magnum into it, we will deny your warranty claim.

Steve's custom P-51 CSC-250...


The CSC-150 I rode to Cabo San Lucas and back...

[Darkrider]

Originally Posted by CSCDude

Yes, but we are a ways away from that. We are going through the US approval process now. Once we get that under our belts, we'll be doing the same in Canada (just as we did for the RX3).

To quote Monty Burns..."Excelllent!"