motostar msx 299

[dr1445]

greetings forum
i am over in the philippines hinterlands and going to take a look at a motorstar msx 200. it appears to be a lifan assembled in the philippines. have a look. the other option is a honda xr200 for around twice the price.


http://www.motorstar.com.ph/modeldet...2&CategoryID=4

[tigertamer]

Yep, it looks like my cousin 8O

You could use the saved money for MODS :!:

"Buy me air condition Honda!"
Tigertamer

[dr1445]

it seems to be a different engine than the gy6, maybe it is the pushrod not ohc?

[Britster]

Motostar have been offering MSX150 and MSX200 since 2005 in the Philippines. I believe (from Forum Threads discussing such).

In 2011 they offered the MSX200-II with Monoshock rear suspension, disc brakes front and back, and with inverted front forks.

This seemed to be the same as the KAMEX 'Warrier'

More recently they seemed to drop the MSX200-II since they introduced the TRLAX 200

The MSX 150-S (the MSX 150-III) are not sold under Zongshen brand of motorcycle.

Motostar are bad at putting the correct data to the particular Motorcycle.



Here Motorstar displays the 2 x Zongshen CYCLONE 'FLY' models, ie ZS150 GY-10 Dual Sport (Moto X155), and the SuperMotard ZS150 GY-10C (Moto R155) .

Did you spot the MISTAKE that Motostar made? (they got the 'R' and 'X' around the wrong way!)

http://www.motorstar.com.ph/products/trlax-200

They also Quote the TRLAX 200, Bore x Stroke: 56.5mm x 49.5mm = 124cc!

Actually it turns out the TRLAX with its Zongshen ZS167 FML engine is also sold as the Corven TRIAX (so perhaps Motostar read TRIAX as TRLAX)?





TRLAX 200 SPECIFICATIONS

Engine Model:...........ZS167 FML
Type : .......................Single Cylinder, 4-Stroke, Air Cooled
Displacement:...........198cc
Compression Ratio:.. 9.0 : 1
Ignition System:........CDI
Starting: ..................Electric and Kick Start
Power (Max): ...........12.3 Kw. / 7000 rpm
Torque (Max):...........14.5 Nm / 7700 rpm
Bore x Stroke:...........71.4 X 49.5

As you can see the Stroke is the same, but much bigger 71.4mm Bore, rather than the 56.5mm Motostar quoted!

This same ZS167 FML used in several 200 cc Dual Sport variants:-

ZS200GY-2 - Engine Model: ZS167 FML

JUMP ZS200GY-A -- Engine Model: ZS167 FML

http://www.motorstar.com.ph/products/msx150-s
MSX150-S


MSX200-1I Original Version!


Motostar seem to have re-introduced the MSX 200-II as well as the Zongshen TRLAX 200 (or TRIAX as it called elsewhere).

http://www.motorstar.com.ph/products/msx200-ii



The Motostar MSX range is NOT sold as Zongshen, it seems, but produced/distributed by Kamex China, to Kayak of Brazil.
(They could be OEM Distributor of Zongshen Products/components however?)




Looks like the KAMEX Warrier style/looks. has changed on their website.

150cc Cool Motorcycles WARRIOR
http://www.kamaxmotor.com/150cc-off-road/586103.html

http://www.kamaxmotor.com/ Kamex or http://www.dyk-motorcycle.com/web/DIRTBIKE/index.htm Kayak[/url] / http://www.dyk-motorcycle.com/web/IN...TION/index.htm DYK[/url] of Brasil.

Now we have brands of"KAYAK", "KAMAX", "KAINUO" and "DYK"for our products.
We're a manufacturer and supplier of this moto, this motorized dirt moto is designed by our technician. Styling in Brazil motor, can bring the utmost enjoyment of riding, can be off-road bike or on-road bike. Motor can be 125cc, 150cc, 200cc, and 250cc

I don't see any Specifications for 250cc engine however?

VIN(Frame No.).................LRYxxxxxxxxxxxxxx*
Engine..............................125cc..........................................150cc.........................................200cc 　
EngineNo..........................156FMI*xxxxxxxx* .......................162FMJ*xxxxxxxx*........... ..........163FML*xxxxxxxx*
Type.................................124cc, 4T, Single cyl, Air Cool........149cc, 4T,Single cyl, Air Cool.........193cc, 4T,Single cyl, Air Cool
BorexStroke......................56.5 mmx 49.5mm....................... 62.5mm x 49.5mm........................63.5mm x 62.0mm Compression......................9.0:1............ .................................9.2:1............ ...............................9.2:1
Output, Max(Kw/Rpm)........7.8/9000.......................................8.2/9000....................................11/7500
Torque, Max(N.M/Rpm)...... 8.2/7500......................................9.8/7500.....................................15/6000
Ignition.............................CDI
Starting System ................Kick/electric
Transmission.....................5-Speed, Manual Clutch
Drive Train........................Chain
Chassis　　　　　　　
Suspension/Rear..............Hydraulic Spring, Central Mono Shock, Swing Arm
Brakes/Front.....................Disc
Brakes/Rear......................Drum
Tires/Front........................2.75-21，6PR
Tires/Rear........................ 4.10-18，6PR
Dimensions　　　　　　
LxWxH..............................2150mmx895mmx12 10mm
Wheelbase........................1400mm
Seat Height.......................850mm
Min ground clearance.........270
Net Weight........................110kg
Max Load..........................150kg
Max Speed(km/h).............≥85
Climbing Ability................ ≤20°
Fuel Tank Capacity............7L
Fuel Type.........................Unleaded Gasoline With Octane No. 91 Or Higher
Fuel consumption.............2.3L/100km
Battery............................12v7A NO MAINTAINING

http://www.motorstar.com.ph/products/msx200-ii MSX200-II



This New looking MSX200-II that Motostar have put back up on their website does NOT look like the one they were showing, before they introduced the TRLAX200 (and dropped the MSX200-II)

I don't think this NEW MCX200-II is anything like the KAMEX 'Warrier' products, like the previous [/b]MCX125, MCX150 and MCX200, [/b]seemed to be!


This was the previous MSX200-II

As you can see the Frame is different, so is the front Forks and perhaps the engine, and just about everything else, except the NAME!

The New MSX200-II Frame looks a rather similar to the Moto R155 with the Inverted Forks

[imghttp://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa467/GTR-Cebu/persp-white_3.jpg[/img]

Specifications:
L x W x H..................................2155mm x 804mm x 1194mm
Wheel Base.............................1405mm
Minimum Ground Clearance.....260mm
Net Weight................................127kg
Max Load..................................150kg
Engine Type..............................One-Cylinder 4 Stroke Overhead Cam | Air Cooled
Cylinder Capacity .....................196.40ml
Starting System.........................Electric and Kick Starter
Transmission.............................Chain
Tire Type / Tire Size/Pressure... Front : 2.75-21 / 225kPa | Rear: 4.10-18 / 250kPa
Clutch........................................Manu al
Brake System............................Front: Disc Brake | Rear : Disc Brake
Ignition.......................................CDI
Fuel Tank Capacity....................6.5L
Special Feature........................ Upside Down Front Fork Assy
Color Available..........................Black , White/Black



The NEW MSX200-II no longer has same frame of the previous MSX200-II, and the engine looks different, but still has inverted Forks, but these are more like the Showa Inverted Forks of the 'Moto R155'



http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com...ghlight=MSX200
MSX 200 II


http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com...50&postcount=3

There are a lot more discussions on Moto R155 than MSX200

http://www.motorcyclephilippines.com...255210&page=94
zongshen moto r 155 Thread runs to 94 Pages!

http://www.facebook.com/groups/zonshen.motard/

Please do look at the New MSX200-II

View slideshow ->http://s1199.photobucket.com/albums/...view=slideshow





Any ideas on what Make/Model this new MSX200-II version, is actually a 'clone' of?

[driller]

I would look into the motox155 our member here "jeremy2011" has one in the Philippines and has enjoyed it and this bike has more power than the 200 because of the water cooled engine and higher compression. Just my two cents worth.

[tonyscott123]

I think Jeremy has the R155 version (supermoto), I am still very interested in the X155. I keep looking at what it will take to increase suspension travel, power and so on on my Yamaha YBR125G, and if I use US parts, it will cost more than half of what the X155 has and will probably still not be up to spec.

I will still keep the YBR, it is a great all-round bike. It can easily handle the three of us (gf, kid and myself), we have done 500 mile weekend trips around the coast and across the mountains, very steep climbs. That is two-up with luggage (traveling in the Philippines is much slower than in the US)
It has very good parts and support, gets 250+ miles on a tank of gas, and is super reliable. Light and still decently sized for 'Kanos'.

The X or R 155 seem to have a fair bit more suspension travel and also more sophisticated suspension, and should offer a bit more power, although I don't think they are as practical day to day.

At least then I will have a spare bike to lend friends, apart from the Chinese 125 business bike I will probably put on the rental or tricycle market.

Originally Posted by driller

I would look into the motox155 our member here "jeremy2011" has one in the Philippines and has enjoyed it and this bike has more power than the 200 because of the water cooled engine and higher compression. Just my two cents worth.

[humanbeing]

Originally Posted by tonyscott123

... I keep looking at what it will take to increase suspension travel, power and so on on my Yamaha YBR125G, ...

57.4mm kit is most economic way to squeeze more power http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/t_17216168.htm | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14125240600

[tonyscott123]

Update: I looked a lot more at the new MSX200 II, it has Zongshen stampings / labels on motor and several other parts, so definitely not the Kamex Warrior

Seems that it is an OHC Honda CB clone motor, about the only power specs I can find seem to indicate about 12.3 KW (16.5 hp) and 14.5 NM or so for torque, almost identical to the Honda XR200.

Other references seem to put those figures at 11.5 / 15.1, which is similar to the old TRLAX / 200 II Yamaha-based model.

Design and quality is much improved over the old model, riding position is very close to dirt bike / dual sport standard versus the more cruiser / road bike 'foot forward' position of the older TRLAX.

If I compare things like the foot peg hangers and other chassis parts to my Yamaha or Haojue ('commercial' bike) 125, quality is vastly better. Quality of design and manufacture is one of the best the best out of the Chinese bikes I have seen out here, including most of the other models imported by Motorstar.
That is reflected in the price. The other quality chinabike I have seen is the MCX Renegade 250, about $300 more at P81K to P86K.

So far pricing has dropped from P71K (under $1700) to P67K 'cash price'. I suspect it would go lower with some bargaining, and comparing to the 'cash price' on the two 150s.

That includes tax, title, insurance and IIRC first year service. Not bad considering Philippines pricing is usually substantially more than USA.

I really like this bike for the price. It has the USD fork from the R155, the 21/18" wheels from the X155, an 'improved' rack / grab handle which will have to be replaced for touring, and an exhaust can heat shield.
The headlight unit also looks to be fractionally different.
From what I can find on the internet, power is substantially up on the 150 water-cooled motor, which is about halfway between the 200 and my 125 Yamaha.

Biggest issue for me is the weight, 10KG over the XR200, and 20KG (44 lb) over the YBR Yammie, but then the frame and subframes look much more robust than the XR, and the saddle seems longer as well, better for two-up work.
I also think that the stylized rear rack, exposed area between rack and saddle and bulbous bodywork will make fitting soft luggage difficult, and cause hard bags to stick out too far.

Has anybody seen these (200 air-cooled or 150 water-cooled) or the equivalent Zongshen Fly 150 in the USA or elsewhere yet?

[Britster]

Originally Posted by tonyscott123

Update: I looked a lot more at the new MSX200 II, it has Zongshen stampings / labels on motor and several other parts, so definitely not the Kamex Warrior

Tony,

I was not implying the NEW MCX200-II was KAMEX Warrier, bit the 'other' MCX range seemed to be Kamex Warrior, including the MCX200-II which got dropped wen they offered the TRLAX 200.

The NEW MCX200-II seems to be Zongshen product, so why not call it MOTO X200!

I could not see the justification for giving it same name/model as a previous Motorcycle that was not directly Zongshen, but KAMEX design/styling (except Kamex now have new style designs so no longer look like the MCX125 and MCX150-III and the original MCX200-II).

If you are basing the Specifications of the NEW MCX200-II on what you see on Motostar website, then double check them!

Motostar often quote 125cc bore and stroke for 150cc and 200cc models. Which suggests other other specifications may be wrong also.

The TRIAX Specifications of Corven, probably more accurate than Motostar TRLAX 200.

I have not seen any ZS200GY-10

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