Shipping Updates?? - Page 3

dgl57 · 07-28-2020, 12:08 PM

What?!! So now my Hellcat might be sputtering around Iraq somewhere?

Just to be clear bud, I think 99.9% of US customers are backing our dealers. We know this is hurting your business and not your fault. The frustration is with China...but that is nothing new. I just think August might be a tipping point and many folks may call it a year. Maybe try again in the spring. Hope not for you guys sake.

dgl57 · 07-29-2020, 12:43 PM

Thought I would pass along message sent to me this morning from Tao Motor Co...

"Unfortunately sir we do not have a solid ETA as to when the Hellcats will be available again. Due to changes made because of Covid 19 and the unexpected soar in sales our inventory state side has been hit hard and our factory is working as fast as they can to get every unit possible back here to the states as fast as possible."

I would say August deliveries are not looking good and maybe much further.

f15sim · 07-29-2020, 03:16 PM

August is probably correct, it's the "2020" part that's suspect.

g.

dgl57 · 07-29-2020, 04:20 PM

If I was a dealer I would be thinking about continuing to offer pre-orders. Really kind of putting themselves out on a limb. Especially small dealers with shops. Maybe cancels vs pre-orders equals things out a bit.

Arkbill · 07-29-2020, 05:49 PM

I emailed Q9 today about delivery on a TBR7 and they answered that preorders would not deliver until late fall on that model.

dgl57 · 07-29-2020, 06:01 PM

My next question to Tao was do you think it will at least be in 2020? I just received this message in return...

"To be honest sir I am not sure. I definitely think it is possible, but the factory is trying to make as many units as possible to restock all the branches over here in the states. First they have to make the product they know will sell for the upcoming season then they make everything else."

Hmm.

crabjoe · 07-29-2020, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgl57

My next question to Tao was do you think it will at least be in 2020? I just received this message in return...

"To be honest sir I am not sure. I definitely think it is possible, but the factory is trying to make as many units as possible to restock all the branches over here in the states. First they have to make the product they know will sell for the upcoming season then they make everything else."

Hmm.

I swear, why don't these people just tell the truth instead of feeding us BS.

If they're building them, they know exactly how many are coming off the line. With that, they know when they will have enough for a freight container and when they might be able to ship. I'm talking reasonable estimates.

As for sales volumes because of pre-orders. That they might not know since the dealers are hold them. Still, they should be able to say we're making 30 of this model a day, so every four days, we ship 3 containers of them.

BTW, how can any manufacture not know how many they are making to figure out when they expect to ship?

Oh.. A few weeks ago, I emailed Tao USA. The person that responded to me said they had no idea when they would receive inventory because they were not in the dept that handles it. They said to contact the dealer so they can find out using their contact.

dgl57 · 07-29-2020, 06:30 PM

I don't know either. The last part of the reply confuses me a little. Upcoming season? So are all of our pre-orders now considered "everything else"? Maybe I am misreading that part.

Big Bird · 07-29-2020, 07:17 PM

Thank God I canceled my order with Veloz. I would be well past my bank protection at this point. Coolster 150cc atvs aren't ca legal so I guess no atv for me this year. *runs off crying*

crabjoe · 07-30-2020, 10:20 AM

Here's an update on Frieght coming in.. And again, it's for Tao Canada and they're getting 2 shipments.

Date
2020-07-27
Shipper Name
Zhejiang Taotao Vehicles Co. Ltd
Shipper Address
NO 6 XINMIN RD XINBI ST JINYUN COUNTY LISHUI CHINA
Consignee Name
Tao Motor Canada Inc.
Consignee Address
170 BARTOR RD NORTH YORK ON M9M 2W6 CANADA TEFAX1
Notify Party Name
Tao Motor Canada Inc.
Notify Party Address
170 BARTOR ROAD NORTH YORK ON, M9M2W6 CANADA, TEL 1-416-748-6686 FAX, TE1-416-749-6686
Weight
9114
Weight Unit
KG
Weight in KG
9114.0
Quantity
42
Quantity Unit
CTN
Measure Unit
CM
Shipment Origin
China
Details
9,114.0 kg
From port: Ningbo, China
To port: Port of Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington
Place of Receipt
Ningbo
Foreign Port of Lading
Ningbo, China
U.S. Port of Unlading
Port of Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington
U.S. Destination Port
Port of Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington
Commodity
PASS VEH FOR SNOW GOLF CARTS SIMILAR VEHIC ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE
Container
TEMU8495576
Marks Description
ATV OFF ROAD USE ONLY / /
Carrier Name
YANG MING MARINE TRANSPORT CORP
Vessel Name
MOL PROSPERITY
Voyage Number
203E
Bill of Lading Number
YMLUW232390589
Lloyd's Code
9321031

You can track Yang Ming freight here: https://www.yangming.com/e-service/T..._tracking.aspx

Remember I can only see the latest of the 3 listed above.. and that specific shipment, which is that detailed info above is showing 42 packages in this specific container.. and being it's vehicles, I have a feeling it's motorcycles.

crabjoe · 07-30-2020, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgl57

I don't know either. The last part of the reply confuses me a little. Upcoming season? So are all of our pre-orders now considered "everything else"? Maybe I am misreading that part.

From a manufactures point of view, I don't think they consider anything "Pre-Orders". For them it's going to be this years model or next years model based on the VIN they assign. This "Pre-Order" non-sense is dealers just selling inventory they don't have, with expectations they will shortly get the inventory.

What would have made better sense for dealers taking pre-orders would have been to take a small $100 deposit. But I they they can since most probably aren't large enough to stay operational without selling product, even product they won't have yet, and these pre-orders are probably keeping them afloat.

BTW, I noticed on Q9's site that a bunch of stuff can't even be pre-ordered now. I wonder what that means?

dgl57 · 07-30-2020, 11:44 AM

Think you are right and the shipping logs seem to show that they are indeed making things for upcoming seasonal sales only. Looks more and more like the Hellcats at least will not be coming anytime soon and are part of the "everything else."

Maybe the dealers are backing off pre-orders because they have a feeling things are not going to arrive in a reasonable timeframe anymore. Why anger more and more people and spend everyday processing cancellations. Not fun and certainly not good for future business relations.

tortoise · 07-30-2020, 12:09 PM

Don't be surprised if replenishment inventory has a non-adjustable cap over the carb idle-speed screw.

crabjoe · 07-30-2020, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tortoise

Don't be surprised if replenishment inventory has a non-adjustable cap over the carb idle-speed screw.

Thanks for the heads up.. And based on that date stamp, I'm guessing everything being built now will have it.

I wonder how hard it will be to remove the dang thing?

BTW, I'm now thinking that part of this delay is emissions related... And that's why we're seeing vehicles going to Canada, but not to the US..

dgl57 · 07-30-2020, 01:51 PM

Certainly hope it's not emissions related. My Poodle farting outside is more pollution than the choked down little 125cc Hellcat engine that even has the canister crap on it. I mean seriously, it's less HP than some push mowers.

The Dremel fix...slot for a screwdriver. It's like it is made for that. Lol.

07-29-2020, 03:16 PM	#33
f15sim Join Date: May 2020 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 118	August is probably correct, it's the "2020" part that's suspect. g. __________________ Proud owner of 80-0007. https://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
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07-29-2020, 07:17 PM	#39
Big Bird Join Date: May 2020 Location: California Posts: 169	Thank God I canceled my order with Veloz. I would be well past my bank protection at this point. Coolster 150cc atvs aren't ca legal so I guess no atv for me this year. runs off crying __________________ 2020 Boom Vader Gen 2 2019 CSC TT250 2021 Kayo Fox 70
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07-28-2020, 12:08 PM	#31
dgl57 Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 62	What?!! So now my Hellcat might be sputtering around Iraq somewhere? Just to be clear bud, I think 99.9% of US customers are backing our dealers. We know this is hurting your business and not your fault. The frustration is with China...but that is nothing new. I just think August might be a tipping point and many folks may call it a year. Maybe try again in the spring. Hope not for you guys sake.
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07-29-2020, 12:43 PM	#32
dgl57 Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 62	Thought I would pass along message sent to me this morning from Tao Motor Co... "Unfortunately sir we do not have a solid ETA as to when the Hellcats will be available again. Due to changes made because of Covid 19 and the unexpected soar in sales our inventory state side has been hit hard and our factory is working as fast as they can to get every unit possible back here to the states as fast as possible." I would say August deliveries are not looking good and maybe much further.
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07-29-2020, 04:20 PM	#34
dgl57 Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 62	If I was a dealer I would be thinking about continuing to offer pre-orders. Really kind of putting themselves out on a limb. Especially small dealers with shops. Maybe cancels vs pre-orders equals things out a bit.
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07-29-2020, 05:49 PM	#35
Arkbill Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Northwest Arkansas Posts: 26	I emailed Q9 today about delivery on a TBR7 and they answered that preorders would not deliver until late fall on that model.
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07-29-2020, 06:01 PM	#36
dgl57 Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 62	My next question to Tao was do you think it will at least be in 2020? I just received this message in return... "To be honest sir I am not sure. I definitely think it is possible, but the factory is trying to make as many units as possible to restock all the branches over here in the states. First they have to make the product they know will sell for the upcoming season then they make everything else." Hmm.
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07-29-2020, 06:30 PM	#38
dgl57 Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 62	I don't know either. The last part of the reply confuses me a little. Upcoming season? So are all of our pre-orders now considered "everything else"? Maybe I am misreading that part.
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07-30-2020, 10:20 AM	#40
crabjoe Join Date: May 2020 Location: Ceciltucky Posts: 188	Here's an update on Frieght coming in.. And again, it's for Tao Canada and they're getting 2 shipments. Date 2020-07-27 Shipper Name Zhejiang Taotao Vehicles Co. Ltd Shipper Address NO 6 XINMIN RD XINBI ST JINYUN COUNTY LISHUI CHINA Consignee Name Tao Motor Canada Inc. Consignee Address 170 BARTOR RD NORTH YORK ON M9M 2W6 CANADA TEFAX1 Notify Party Name Tao Motor Canada Inc. Notify Party Address 170 BARTOR ROAD NORTH YORK ON, M9M2W6 CANADA, TEL 1-416-748-6686 FAX, TE1-416-749-6686 Weight 9114 Weight Unit KG Weight in KG 9114.0 Quantity 42 Quantity Unit CTN Measure Unit CM Shipment Origin China Details 9,114.0 kg From port: Ningbo, China To port: Port of Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington Place of Receipt Ningbo Foreign Port of Lading Ningbo, China U.S. Port of Unlading Port of Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington U.S. Destination Port Port of Tacoma, Tacoma, Washington Commodity PASS VEH FOR SNOW GOLF CARTS SIMILAR VEHIC ALL TERRAIN VEHICLE Container TEMU8495576 Marks Description ATV OFF ROAD USE ONLY / / Carrier Name YANG MING MARINE TRANSPORT CORP Vessel Name MOL PROSPERITY Voyage Number 203E Bill of Lading Number YMLUW232390589 Lloyd's Code 9321031 You can track Yang Ming freight here: https://www.yangming.com/e-service/T..._tracking.aspx Remember I can only see the latest of the 3 listed above.. and that specific shipment, which is that detailed info above is showing 42 packages in this specific container.. and being it's vehicles, I have a feeling it's motorcycles.
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07-30-2020, 11:44 AM	#42
dgl57 Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 62	Think you are right and the shipping logs seem to show that they are indeed making things for upcoming seasonal sales only. Looks more and more like the Hellcats at least will not be coming anytime soon and are part of the "everything else." Maybe the dealers are backing off pre-orders because they have a feeling things are not going to arrive in a reasonable timeframe anymore. Why anger more and more people and spend everyday processing cancellations. Not fun and certainly not good for future business relations.
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07-30-2020, 12:09 PM	#43
tortoise Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 221	Don't be surprised if replenishment inventory has a non-adjustable cap over the carb idle-speed screw.
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07-30-2020, 01:51 PM	#45
dgl57 Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 62	Certainly hope it's not emissions related. My Poodle farting outside is more pollution than the choked down little 125cc Hellcat engine that even has the canister crap on it. I mean seriously, it's less HP than some push mowers. The Dremel fix...slot for a screwdriver. It's like it is made for that. Lol.
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