Senke/Romet

[Oengus]

I found this interesting street bike being made by SENKE, it seems to have good fit to it?



223cc engine
I like the repeated use of channeling

[Weldangrind]

That's not my personal style, but I gotta admit that it looks really good.

[Oengus]

Not mine either,

I bet they are the OEM for that bike and its being sold someplace else under another brand name.

That what this Shineray is, Korean design made in China.



Then the Bashan is also of that same design quality.


Then there is the Kymco which is also well done, but made in Tawain.


Eventually we could see one of these.

[SpudRider]

I think all those bikes look nice. Are they all 250cc, or smaller engines?

Spud

[Oengus]

The last two are 150cc, only the Shineray is EPA/DOT as far as I know.

[Oengus]

This bike is EPA/DOT/CARB


I liked it at first, but it was a very short lived fascination.

I have a thing about plastic gas tanks.

I could start up with Jason.....these manufactures do not get it, they have to combine distribution and it may take a franchise of dealers to get it to work.

The big four do not combine distribution but they often share dealers. But you cannot support dealers without real good distribution.

This is interesting, they that being the Chinese in general use the terms dealer and distributor interchangeably in the context of communications. As if not to fully understand they are and have very different functions.

They say my dealer in the US, when I say my dealer it messes them up, I have a dealer it is who I buy a bike from. They have or need to have a distributor that supplies my dealer…. With bikes, and parts and support.

Then they seem to want wholesalers and B2B advertising, way to many of those. They flood the market and then keep going…cannot have to many distributers/dealers....well....actually you can.

Then the distributors get carried away with themselves, they create brands and identities? I think people really just want access to the bikes and assurance in problem resolution, parts and service manuals. Then universal part numbers across the value chain. That’s how they could get really good parts availability just give it a part number heck use the one the vendor uses.

One data base linked to a shopping cart online?

It is not that complex is it? Why make it complex….it’s a secret.

I been searching the class list at my local community college…sorry but they have none on Ancient Chinese secrets. I think it may be in the bottom of a Cracker Jack box though, inside of a secret decoder ring!

Do not be concerned…..I will find it!

[Oengus]

An owner has to have access to parts and that should be easy, they are just parts and could not have been manufactured without a parts list. Parts are consumables, they are consumed on the assembly line and can also be consumed in the aftermarket. Assembly typicaly utilize parts bins that being the assembly line has part bins that are counted and monitored as assembly takes place. The bins are filled in an area known as parts storage, access to that through a system and with lists, that being the part numbers.

The inventory in the factory is mainteined as at a par level, usually maintained to meet demand of the assembly lines. But it also could and should be to fill orders from the outside. The line scheduled and then the days order from the outside, that number used to maintain par levels.

Until somebody decides to stock the parts in another location and that’s really not a sale it’s a transfer, until the parts are consumed at such a rate to justify storage outside the factory. When the parts are storred elsewhere they should stay in the database and only get an updated location. The par based on the total in all locations. Capital changes hands when a vendor stocks inventory, but in reality its not sold yet. The actual sale is the final sale and when that occurs it should get assigned to a VIN and then it can be seen model by model how they consume parts.

Then the ID number are universal and associated in collection or a part list. You can only have one VIN and in that is one unique build ID that is associated with one unique part list. If the model gets a update or change then the new VIN is associated with a new build ID and new parts lists. It becomes dynamic since it is electronic it can change and even stay the same, it changes only with the one part that changed and only for the VINS that reflect the change, the previous builds part list remain unchanged.

Then if part numbers are assigned from the source common parts across manufactured brands show up as unversal and that’s very efficient. It should all link on the source supplier ID, that should bring up a list and that list should show all the location of the parts.

If they monitor that consumption then it easy to get the parts closer to the consumer, if its all open then competitions makes that part affordable.

Thats the key easy access to parts and full documentation of servicing and repairing. That linked to how its all put together on the line, the assembly line. So each part as its added has a set of instruction that can be documented in a repair manual. No guessing no mystery.

Fully supported and documented, I am beginning to think it may need to be mandated and regulated. Not just passing an emission test and checking to see that it has a headlight horn and blinkers, it should required to be all fully documented. That being checked to insure that all the needed support is there, parts and repair documentation.

The only added costs that can be recovered by a distributor and dealers is that of saving on the shipping costs, that’s it really. They will or should not guess what the consumer will buy, they should let them come though direct and support them that way, the actually and real demand will define itself and then they can forecast and stock ahead of that.

Initially they should allow all the products that that are EPA/DOT and documented pass through and with access to parts through a common system that allow ordering direct, if the product becomes a big seller then stocking would be then justified.

We are or had a small window of variety, its now moving back to this is your selection and these are the prices. Why you cannot get that one bike is because so many other collectivley are preventing it.


I like the idea of being the only person that owns one, but not if its unsupported, which mean no documentation and no access to parts. I would wait for the part and if it breaks I would pay to have it fixed, so it needs the repair manual then it happens faster and in a shop faster costs less, they charge for scratching their head. If the parts are all documented then obvioulsy if no vendors stock them they are comming out of the factory. Then since the sales volumes if low obviously requesting a distributer to stock a part is going to raise the price of products overall. They cannot stock parts unless they have high volume sales, if not for that one model then for a collection of models. But they do not need to be a collection all slapped with one label, they should be a collection of manufactured brands and if they share parts then fine that makes stocking spare parts all the more easy.

I would like to see times for certain repairs included, and the bigger manufactures have that, they take the time because they initially have to cover the labor time of warranty claims, if they have no idea of labor time and or the average labor rates, its problematic. So thats another reason they do not offer warranty, because they do not have to actual documentation to do it effectively. The repair manuls has to exist and within that being created so are times the times it takes do do the work.

So before you sell in this market you really have to cover your bases. But if it was all required up front it would escalate new introductions to the markets.

The market not just this one, all the markets got corrupted, they are being gamed.

Market economics are older then technology, technology allows the tracking of the market, then the information gets tilted distorted and manipulate, that’s because its unregulated. The market cannot and should not be regulated, but the information and systems used should be.

That has to happen first before the scales can balance, you have to see it all to get it to ever come back. The costs of moving objects great distances is not the most efficient and its all related.

Then matters of quality of life and perceived value can and will change, its not about bigger better faster. It may be more about just being able to have the time to appreciate it? Getting the market to lower and moving closer to the break-even on costs does that, value added has to be real and so does demand.

[Oengus]

Seems that this bike is being marketed in Europe as a Romet, they are calling it a Division 249.








I think that real photos on the road or with a real backdrop look best...studio photos alway distort the motorcycles appearance.

[SpudRider]

That's a nice looking bike. I agree, I prefer to see photos of a bike in it's natural environment.

Spud