Chinese Dual Sports Comparison

Biker_Andy · 03-19-2017, 04:26 AM

Has anyone ever compiled a list of the differences between the many Chinese dual sports available? To be more specific the physical & licencing differences between the Brozz, Enforcer, Hawk, Magician, Stallion, Storm & TT250 along with any others bikes I missed. Some things I would like to know are:

Make?
Model?
Cost?
Engine Manufacturer?
Engine Size?
Counter Balanced?
Transmission?
USD Forks?
Wheel Sizes?
Kick-starter?
Electric Start?
Tire Type (knobby, dual or street)?
Brakes?
Adjustable Suspension?
Weight?
Seat Height?
Cargo Rack?
DOT Approved?
EPA Approved?
CARB Approved?

Azhule · 03-19-2017, 10:58 AM

Added a few things to my list... hope you don't mind

Bashan "WILL" 200 (DB-03-R)

Cost of Bike? ~$1,400
Engine Manufacturer? Lifan (197cc engine / 164FML Lifan)
Transmission? 5 speed Manual
Counter Balanced? Yes
USD Forks? No
Wheel Sizes? 19" Front & 17" rear (90/90-19 & 110/90-17) (1.85x19 & 2.15x17)
Kick-starter? Yes
Electric Start? Yes
Tire Type? 80% Street Biased "Dual Sport" Tires
DOT Approved? Yes
CARB Approved? 49 State
Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 2 piston calipers, regular/rubber brake hoses
Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds / Modified bike ~255 pounds
Seat Height? ~30 inches
Rear Shock? Non-adjustable
Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No

Front / Rear Sprocket? 17t / 56t
Carb? "Keihin" PZ30 (not a real Keihin... decent copy... can't find Pilot Jet)
Spark Plug? "NGK" Copper (not a real NGK... not even a good copy)
Instrument Cluster? Analog, in Kilometers (off/slow over 15%), Neutral/Turn/Bright Lights Indicator Lights... No Tachometer, No Fuel Gauge, No Current Gear Indicator
Fuel Tank Size? ~2.1 gallons, no reserve on petcock... just "ON" or "OFF" settings
"Catalytic Converter"? Yes, 2 of them in the Header Pipe... 1 inside the "Egg" that is under the heat shield and 1 just before the Muffler/Mid Pipe

~~~~~~~ Aftermarket Stuff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Trail Tech Vapor? Yes ~$112 installed, Digital, in Miles (dead accurate for almost any rim/wheel size), Tachometer, Ambient Air and Engine Temperature Sensors
Carb? Yes ~$30, "Mikuni" VM26
Exhaust Header? No (due to frame design)
Exhaust Muffler? Yes ~$130, FMF Turbine Core II 1-1/4 inch
Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Possible...

Ski_rush · 03-19-2017, 12:35 PM

Bashan Enforcer

Engine Manufacturer? No idea
Stock Carburetor: Kei Hin (Japan)
Counter Balanced? No
Stock Instrument Cluster? KPH, analog/dial type
USD Forks? No
Wheel Sizes? 21" Front and 18" rear
Stocker Sprocket: 17/46 teeth count (front/rear)
Kick-starter? Yes
Electric Start? Yes, with Remote Start Key Fob
Tire Type? Knobby, mostly Dirt
DOT Approved? Yes
CARB Approved? Yes, 49 State
[/B]Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 1 piston caliper, regular/rubber brake hoses
Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds
Seat Height? 34 inches
Rear Shock? Non-adjustable, mono shock
Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No, but it has 4 bolts on rear fender where a rack could/should go
Stock Accessories? Comes with stock "Burrito" Tube.

culcune · 03-19-2017, 01:00 PM

CARB is California's anal retentive one-state extra runaround that manufacturers have to go through in order to sell bikes in the state of California. The TT250 IS California CARB certified. So is SSR's XF 250. The rest of the 'usual suspects' of enduros are not.

RogerWFarrier · 03-22-2017, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by culcune

CARB is California's anal retentive one-state extra runaround that manufacturers have to go through in order to sell bikes in the state of California. The TT250 IS California CARB certified. So is SSR's XF 250. The rest of the 'usual suspects' of enduros are not.

I'm old enough to remember the days of acid rain and smog so thick that you couldn't see the surrounding mountains around the LA basin. I hadn't been in that area in years and was amazed at how much cleaner the air is so all in all I think that CARB has done a great job making it to where you can breath the air again and not having to run inside every time it rains is a plus too.

2LZ · 03-22-2017, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerWFarrier

I'm old enough to remember the days of acid rain and smog so thick that you couldn't see the surrounding mountains around the LA basin. I hadn't been in that area in years and was amazed at how much cleaner the air is so all in all I think that CARB has done a great job making it to where you can breath the air again and not having to run inside every time it rains is a plus too.

Yep, as much as I hate many of the restrictions, the CARB mandates really have cleaned things up. I too remember not being able to see the LA hills and if you could, everything was dead on them. Now, it's very clear on most days.

As tempting as it is seeing the Brozz, Sharks, Hawks, Enforcers and all the bikes here going for dirt cheap, (and being sold and shipped from here!) we get used to having fewer, more expensive choices.....but we're still not as expensive as our friends to the north! ;-)

phager76 · 03-19-2017, 01:52 PM

Bashan Blaze

Engine Manufacturer? Not sure, but I believe Lifan
Counter Balanced? Yes
USD Forks? No
Wheel Sizes? 18"/21"
Kick-starter? Yes
Electric Start? Yes
Tire Type? Off Road Biased "Dual Sport" Tires
DOT Approved? Yes
CARB Approved? 49 State
Brakes? Front and Rear Drum, regular/rubber brake hoses
Weight? Not sure, I believe just over 300lbs
Seat Height? ~33 inches
Rear Shock? Non-adjustable Mono shock
Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Yes

Hope you don't mind me cribbing the format from you Azhule!

BigWeld · 03-19-2017, 03:39 PM

I can see this thread becoming a Sticky. Great idea! I'll add some Brozz info unless someone beats me to it. Also, if the previous posters don't mind adding some info, I think it's a good idea to add the stock gear sizes, analog/digital gauge cluster, and which carburetor the bike comes factory equipped with, in each listing. These are areas that most people mod and could be a deciding factor when purchasing a bike.

(Initial cost vs the cost of the mods)

Ski_rush · 03-20-2017, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWeld

I can see this thread becoming a Sticky. Great idea! I'll add some Brozz info unless someone beats me to it. Also, if the previous posters don't mind adding some info, I think it's a good idea to add the stock gear sizes, analog/digital gauge cluster, and which carburetor the bike comes factory equipped with, in each listing. These are areas that most people mod and could be a deciding factor when purchasing a bike.

(Initial cost vs the cost of the mods)

I updated mine with additional info. Not sure why it's automatically hyperlinking the words Instrument Cluster and sending you to ebay when you click on it. I didn't set that up. Actually, I deleted it and retyped it and it automatically does this.

Biker_Andy · 03-20-2017, 05:09 AM

Once all the raw data is here in one place I was planning on putting it all together in a spreadsheet and then saving it and posting it as a jpeg for easy viewing. I agree that once it is completed it should be a sticky. It will make it a lot easier for people to decide on which bike for what purpose. Thanks for all the help so far!

Rail32 · 03-20-2017, 06:57 AM

Hawk 250

Engine Manufacturer?
Counter Balanced? No
USD Forks? NO
Wheel Sizes? 21" Front & 18" Rear
Kick-starter? Yes
Electric Start? Yes
Tire Type? Knobbie
DOT Approved? No
CARB Approved ? No

Merlin · 03-20-2017, 09:44 AM

The hawk is not CARB or DOT approved just EPA.

Rail32 · 03-20-2017, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin

The hawk is not CARB or DOT approved just EPA.

Noted and changed .
But how can it be lice sensed if not DOT approved , just asking ?

Merlin · 03-20-2017, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rail32

Noted and changed .
But how can it be lice sensed if not DOT approved , just asking ?

That is the problem with the Hawk hit and miss when it comes to getting it plated.

pistolclass · 03-20-2017, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rail32

Noted and changed .
But how can it be lice sensed if not DOT approved , just asking ?

Licensing is up to each state. If your state only requires certain number of street items (lights, blinkers, cup holders.... whatever) then they can plate it. In CT it is hit or miss with the Hawk. That is why i went the VT route. Give VT about $120 and they give you a plate. Then I will transfer it when the plate expires in November. If CT give me trouble I will register it NH where I have some vacation property.

If CT does not want my money I will gladly give it to a state that does.

03-19-2017, 10:58 AM	#2
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	Added a few things to my list... hope you don't mind Bashan "WILL" 200 (DB-03-R) Cost of Bike? ~$1,400 Engine Manufacturer? Lifan (197cc engine / 164FML Lifan) Transmission? 5 speed Manual Counter Balanced? Yes USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 19" Front & 17" rear (90/90-19 & 110/90-17) (1.85x19 & 2.15x17) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? 80% Street Biased "Dual Sport" Tires DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? 49 State Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 2 piston calipers, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds / Modified bike ~255 pounds Seat Height? ~30 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No Front / Rear Sprocket? 17t / 56t Carb? "Keihin" PZ30 (not a real Keihin... decent copy... can't find Pilot Jet) Spark Plug? "NGK" Copper (not a real NGK... not even a good copy) Instrument Cluster? Analog, in Kilometers (off/slow over 15%), Neutral/Turn/Bright Lights Indicator Lights... No Tachometer, No Fuel Gauge, No Current Gear Indicator Fuel Tank Size? ~2.1 gallons, no reserve on petcock... just "ON" or "OFF" settings "Catalytic Converter"? Yes, 2 of them in the Header Pipe... 1 inside the "Egg" that is under the heat shield and 1 just before the Muffler/Mid Pipe ~~~~~~~ Aftermarket Stuff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Trail Tech Vapor? Yes ~$112 installed, Digital, in Miles (dead accurate for almost any rim/wheel size), Tachometer, Ambient Air and Engine Temperature Sensors Carb? Yes ~$30, "Mikuni" VM26 Exhaust Header? No (due to frame design) Exhaust Muffler? Yes ~$130, FMF Turbine Core II 1-1/4 inch Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Possible... __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P. Last edited by Azhule; 03-19-2017 at 04:12 PM. Reason: Edit to add stuff for 'BigWeld'
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03-19-2017, 12:35 PM	#3
Ski_rush Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 449	Bashan Enforcer Engine Manufacturer? No idea Stock Carburetor: Kei Hin (Japan) Counter Balanced? No Stock Instrument Cluster? KPH, analog/dial type USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 21" Front and 18" rear Stocker Sprocket: 17/46 teeth count (front/rear) Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes, with Remote Start Key Fob Tire Type? Knobby, mostly Dirt DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? Yes, 49 State [/B]Brakes? Front and Rear Disk Brakes, 1 piston caliper, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Stock bike ~274 pounds Seat Height? 34 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable, mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? No, but it has 4 bolts on rear fender where a rack could/should go Stock Accessories? Comes with stock "Burrito" Tube. Last edited by Ski_rush; 03-20-2017 at 06:30 AM.
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03-19-2017, 01:00 PM	#4
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	CARB is California's anal retentive one-state extra runaround that manufacturers have to go through in order to sell bikes in the state of California. The TT250 IS California CARB certified. So is SSR's XF 250. The rest of the 'usual suspects' of enduros are not. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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03-20-2017, 06:57 AM	#11
Rail32 Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Marshfield , Wi Posts: 129	O Hawk 250 Engine Manufacturer? Counter Balanced? No USD Forks? NO Wheel Sizes? 21" Front & 18" Rear Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? Knobbie DOT Approved? No CARB Approved ? No __________________ Living life to the fullest to avoid regrets later ,,,,or I am a complete loon ! Either way I am good Last edited by Rail32; 03-20-2017 at 08:40 PM. Reason: Revised , as I was wrong
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03-20-2017, 09:44 AM	#12
Merlin Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,107	The hawk is not CARB or DOT approved just EPA. __________________ Bashan Blaze Mods: Alloy Rim's, Muffler, Mukuni VM26 Carb, Foam Filter, Tachometer, Volt Meter,LED Headlight, LED Blinkers
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03-19-2017, 01:52 PM	#7
phager76 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Monongahela, PA Posts: 76	Bashan Blaze Engine Manufacturer? Not sure, but I believe Lifan Counter Balanced? Yes USD Forks? No Wheel Sizes? 18"/21" Kick-starter? Yes Electric Start? Yes Tire Type? Off Road Biased "Dual Sport" Tires DOT Approved? Yes CARB Approved? 49 State Brakes? Front and Rear Drum, regular/rubber brake hoses Weight? Not sure, I believe just over 300lbs Seat Height? ~33 inches Rear Shock? Non-adjustable Mono shock Rear Carrier/Cargo Rack? Yes Hope you don't mind me cribbing the format from you Azhule!
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03-19-2017, 03:39 PM	#8
BigWeld Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: East Pembroke, NY Posts: 301	I can see this thread becoming a Sticky. Great idea! I'll add some Brozz info unless someone beats me to it. Also, if the previous posters don't mind adding some info, I think it's a good idea to add the stock gear sizes, analog/digital gauge cluster, and which carburetor the bike comes factory equipped with, in each listing. These are areas that most people mod and could be a deciding factor when purchasing a bike. (Initial cost vs the cost of the mods)
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03-20-2017, 05:09 AM	#10
Biker_Andy Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 347	Once all the raw data is here in one place I was planning on putting it all together in a spreadsheet and then saving it and posting it as a jpeg for easy viewing. I agree that once it is completed it should be a sticky. It will make it a lot easier for people to decide on which bike for what purpose. Thanks for all the help so far!
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