Thinking of Getting a China Bike?

Emerikol · 08-24-2017, 06:33 AM

I was poking around online yesterday morning (what else should you be doing when you're on baby-watch and Nugget refuses to come out?) and found this:

https://www.amazon.com/Roketa-Dirt-B...mg_top?ie=UTF8

I read the description, and this is listed as a 49-state legal dual sport motorcycle. A few things stand out to me right off the bat. First, Roketa is a pretty well recognized name in the China Bike world. Second, the purchase and delivery of this bike is backed up by Amazon. That's pretty tough to beat. Third, I find it really strange that someone left a 4 star review, but without a comment. Lastly, and this may be the most important point yet, the price is almost exactly in line with what a decent CB should cost. When you combine that with the second point, why have they not sold zillions of these things? When you look at the biggest complaints about distributors, they seem to revolve around the delivery and paperwork side of the bikes, and very seldom any kind of deficiency of the bike itself. So this concludes my musings for the morning.

goat67 · 08-24-2017, 07:14 AM

I do not trust this for a few reasons.

The price is higher than I would pay with 400 in shipping charges

The images are showing a Bashan Storm in some of the images.

The Storm has factory hand guards but in one or two of the images they are not on the bike.

I have seen these images elsewhere.

So all in all I would not buy from this seller I would not know what I was getting.

motorcyclelove · 08-24-2017, 07:21 AM

I don't know being on Amazon protects you somewhat.

Emerikol · 08-24-2017, 07:25 AM

I agree with Cyclelove. Amazon would not allow their reputation to be tarnished by a seller delivering a product that was not as advertised. Amazon would refund your money, and make all the arrangements to return the bike. I think that when you combine the fact that you can get 6 months same as cash on the amazon store card makes this an even more attractive purchase.

goat67 · 08-24-2017, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Emerikol

I agree with Cyclelove. Amazon would not allow their reputation to be tarnished by a seller delivering a product that was not as advertised. Amazon would refund your money, and make all the arrangements to return the bike. I think that when you combine the fact that you can get 6 months same as cash on the amazon store card makes this an even more attractive purchase.

Regardless of that the images shown do not match up with the Description I am telling you that something is not right with these images and the model number of the Bike.

Go ahead and buy it and see what ya get I sure would not drop 2K this way

goat67 · 08-24-2017, 07:39 AM

BTW

here is there shipping returns policy I hope you can afford to pay the shipping back

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**JerryHawk250** · 08-24-2017, 07:49 AM

APSCUSA has that same bike for $1699 with free shipping. http://www.apscusa.com/New-2017-Stal...ine_p_627.html Note that is 3 week back ordered so may take longer.

Merlin · 08-24-2017, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250

APSCUSA has that same bike for $1699 with free shipping. http://www.apscusa.com/New-2017-Stal...ine_p_627.html Note that is 3 week back ordered so may take longer.

I've seen those "three week back ordered" bikes not show up for 3 years so buyer beware.

Emerikol · 08-24-2017, 09:58 AM

Goat- That's if you wanted to return the product to the seller, just a return for the sake of returning. If there's a problem with the sale, i.e., the item is not as advertised, that's when Amazon would step in. I have my Hawk as a thought experiment to begin with, so it's not likely I'll be picking up another bike, but seeing this move into the mainstream on Amazon means that it's entirely possible that the tides will shift and we'll see a lot more of this. On the other hand, Jerry and Merlin may have the right of it, and we'll not see any of these bikes for the next couple of weeks or months. Collectively, I get the feeling that most of the people on here have purchased these bikes for both street and off-road use, but the sales figures for people who have purchased them for exclusive street use may be significantly higher, and those purchasers wouldn't have made any noises at all on a site like this. I would say there's a pretty good chance that all the stock has been bought up regardless, and that the manufacturers are already re-tooled for a different bike. If you do a search, even the Hawk is getting hard to find anymore. Just some more meanderings on this topic...

**JerryHawk250** · 08-24-2017, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin

I've seen those "three week back ordered" bikes not show up for 3 years so buyer beware.

And they all shipped out of the same warehouse so no matter who you buy from expect delays. I noticed that most of the Bashan brands have been taking a long time to get delivered but noticed that the Hawk were being delivered in decent time lately.

JeremyC · 08-25-2017, 03:34 AM

You can get it cheaper from the seller's website (Note the matching phone numbers): http://www.dallaspowersport.com/APOL...Dirt-Bike.html

motorcyclelove · 08-25-2017, 07:23 AM

That's not the same bike

Border411 · 08-25-2017, 07:57 AM

The one he was originally looking at in the OP was a Bashan Storm.

goat67 · 08-25-2017, 08:01 AM

I find it very telling that the Web site does not have the bike listed but it is on Amazon another Red Flag.

This bike is listed Wholesale only at http://www.roketa.com/product/produc...=0&proID=59663

This is the Storm. The Bashan model number is BS250GY-18

Same bike is available at Superior Powersports with free shipping

http://www.superiorpowersports.com/2...rk250db-08.htm

08-24-2017, 06:33 AM	#1
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	Thinking of Getting a China Bike? I was poking around online yesterday morning (what else should you be doing when you're on baby-watch and Nugget refuses to come out?) and found this: https://www.amazon.com/Roketa-Dirt-B...mg_top?ie=UTF8 I read the description, and this is listed as a 49-state legal dual sport motorcycle. A few things stand out to me right off the bat. First, Roketa is a pretty well recognized name in the China Bike world. Second, the purchase and delivery of this bike is backed up by Amazon. That's pretty tough to beat. Third, I find it really strange that someone left a 4 star review, but without a comment. Lastly, and this may be the most important point yet, the price is almost exactly in line with what a decent CB should cost. When you combine that with the second point, why have they not sold zillions of these things? When you look at the biggest complaints about distributors, they seem to revolve around the delivery and paperwork side of the bikes, and very seldom any kind of deficiency of the bike itself. So this concludes my musings for the morning. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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08-24-2017, 07:14 AM	#2
goat67 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Twin Cities MN Posts: 525	I do not trust this for a few reasons. The price is higher than I would pay with 400 in shipping charges The images are showing a Bashan Storm in some of the images. The Storm has factory hand guards but in one or two of the images they are not on the bike. I have seen these images elsewhere. So all in all I would not buy from this seller I would not know what I was getting. __________________ 2016 Brozz
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08-24-2017, 07:25 AM	#4
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	I agree with Cyclelove. Amazon would not allow their reputation to be tarnished by a seller delivering a product that was not as advertised. Amazon would refund your money, and make all the arrangements to return the bike. I think that when you combine the fact that you can get 6 months same as cash on the amazon store card makes this an even more attractive purchase. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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08-24-2017, 07:39 AM	#6
goat67 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Twin Cities MN Posts: 525	BTW here is there shipping returns policy I hope you can afford to pay the shipping back SMART DEALS NOW Shipping Rates Shipping rates depend on the selected shipping speed and weight/size of the items. To determine the applicable shipping rate for items in your Cart: Select Proceed to Checkout Select or add your shipping address Select a shipping speed and select Continue Select a payment method and select Continue The total shipping & handling cost will be listed under Order Summary Shipping Policies As soon as your order is cleared by Amazon, your order is processed and shipped out within 2-3 business days. We ship from Monday to Friday. * Valid Phone number required for shipping. If you would like to return a product purchased, simply ship the product back to us and we will issue a full refund. The Buyer is responsible for return shipping. If there is shipping damage please refuse the shipping. For more info call us at 469-209-8740 __________________ 2016 Brozz
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08-24-2017, 07:49 AM	#7
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,542	APSCUSA has that same bike for $1699 with free shipping. http://www.apscusa.com/New-2017-Stal...ine_p_627.html Note that is 3 week back ordered so may take longer. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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08-24-2017, 07:21 AM	#3
motorcyclelove Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tybee island, GA Posts: 182	I don't know being on Amazon protects you somewhat.
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08-24-2017, 09:58 AM	#9
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	Goat- That's if you wanted to return the product to the seller, just a return for the sake of returning. If there's a problem with the sale, i.e., the item is not as advertised, that's when Amazon would step in. I have my Hawk as a thought experiment to begin with, so it's not likely I'll be picking up another bike, but seeing this move into the mainstream on Amazon means that it's entirely possible that the tides will shift and we'll see a lot more of this. On the other hand, Jerry and Merlin may have the right of it, and we'll not see any of these bikes for the next couple of weeks or months. Collectively, I get the feeling that most of the people on here have purchased these bikes for both street and off-road use, but the sales figures for people who have purchased them for exclusive street use may be significantly higher, and those purchasers wouldn't have made any noises at all on a site like this. I would say there's a pretty good chance that all the stock has been bought up regardless, and that the manufacturers are already re-tooled for a different bike. If you do a search, even the Hawk is getting hard to find anymore. Just some more meanderings on this topic... __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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08-25-2017, 03:34 AM	#11
JeremyC Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Southern IL Posts: 132	You can get it cheaper from the seller's website (Note the matching phone numbers): http://www.dallaspowersport.com/APOL...Dirt-Bike.html
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08-25-2017, 07:23 AM	#12
motorcyclelove Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tybee island, GA Posts: 182	That's not the same bike
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08-25-2017, 07:57 AM	#13
Border411 Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Northern VA Posts: 42	The one he was originally looking at in the OP was a Bashan Storm.
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08-25-2017, 08:01 AM	#14
goat67 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Twin Cities MN Posts: 525	I find it very telling that the Web site does not have the bike listed but it is on Amazon another Red Flag. This bike is listed Wholesale only at http://www.roketa.com/product/produc...=0&proID=59663 This is the Storm. The Bashan model number is BS250GY-18 Same bike is available at Superior Powersports with free shipping http://www.superiorpowersports.com/2...rk250db-08.htm __________________ 2016 Brozz
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