686cc of China Muscle - Page 2

katoranger · 08-09-2012, 09:09 AM

I am beginnning to really look into an atv. I wonder if I could find one of these.

TCCKSR · 08-11-2012, 01:02 AM

You are still better off to find an older Grizzly 600 or an early 660 and buy it. In the long run it will last longer and be less issues. Frames on the Chinese quads are still an issue with cheaper metal and welds.

My 2000 Grizzly 600 has well over 10,000 KM on it and it purrs and goes everywhere a $12,000 Can Am does plus pulls them out when they get stuck too. LOL

And I paid less than $2000 for mine including all the things I had to do to it when I bought it.

01SSRedA4 · 09-10-2012, 11:36 PM

Took her out to the ATV park this past weekend. Beat the living piss out of it. Lots of clay mud, and 4wd. The end result when running 5 psi in cheap shit china tires: Rode about 3 miles back to the truck like this.

Weldangrind · 09-11-2012, 01:52 AM

That's where a 12 volt compressor, some lighter fluid and a match come in handy. Scary, but effective. Proceed at your own risk.

TCCKSR · 09-11-2012, 11:35 AM

order some great tires on ebay for it. Maxxis Big Horn (1.0 not 2.0)

they are the bomb, that is all I will run on a utility quad now.

FastDoc · 09-11-2012, 11:41 AM

Are cheap tires more likely to lose their bead? I did not know that.

Weldangrind · 09-11-2012, 02:46 PM

Not sure if it's cheap tires or cheap rims. I had that issue on my quad, so I installed tubes. Problem solved.

01SSRedA4 · 09-11-2012, 04:44 PM

Using 4wd all morning with a hard throttle caused it to leak around the beads. Both fronts gave me issues that day, the rears didn't.

TCCKSR · 09-11-2012, 06:55 PM

cheaper tires are made from cheaper soft rubber which does not hold the bead as well. ALSO some SLIME (a gooey green gross slimy substance you can put in your tire) can also help with small leaks on the bead, small punctures too.

http://www.slime.com/

All the guys I ride with swear by a can of it per ATV tire and they barely ever have to deal with tire issues. So I followed suit and no tire issues since installing it.

BUT when you need to change or take a tire in for patch it will cost you extra to have tire fixed as they have to clean all that crap off the tire before they can patch it and it is gross to deal with.

BUT a side note hard riding in wet still firm clay is VERY hard on ANY ATV tire though.

Weldangrind · 09-11-2012, 11:22 PM

Like you've indicated TCCKSR, your tire guy will curse your name if you use Slime. Tubes are a cheap fix for a China tire.

BTW, my buddy (who manages the local Fountain Tire), says that China rubber often has a high percentage of synthetic rubber.

TCCKSR · 09-12-2012, 02:28 AM

My tire guy can't complain to me about my SLIME, when he is a client and I have to fix the stupid near retarded crap he does to his pc's all the time.

If he complains I just remind him of all the extra time I have not billed him and he shuts up really quickly. LOL

FastDoc · 09-12-2012, 11:43 AM

I understand. My airplane, truck, and motorcycle mechanics are all friends and patients of mine. :wink:

FLASHLIGHTBOY · 09-15-2012, 11:53 PM

GIO just quit selling their 550 rockliner...I think they did not make enough$$$ on them... I bought one to sell... very nice... Yamaha DRIVETRAIN... JUST LIKE THIS... I sell the 500cc hisun & 700 cc hisun s well... same drive train.. everything matches the YAMAHA MODELS.. 500 ccmodel that looks like the one in your pics.. $6000.00 shipped to you fom Vancouver... 700 cc about $7000.00 .. same model... just larger motor......nice

TCCKSR · 09-16-2012, 11:27 PM

So my "antique Grizzly" as some of the Can Am guys call it, not only went everywhere their $10K-$15K Can Am's did this weekend BUT it went places their wouldn't and one of the guys got his nose out of joint.

Then when I was on another guys butt racing back to camp and he could not pull away from me in HIGH and I told him when we got back to camp I was only in LOW, that did not go over well either.

You can NEVER go wrong with a Yamaha Grizzly, old or new. Yamaha make the longest lasting quads in the market. Plus they hold their value the most too.

01SSRedA4 · 09-28-2012, 03:48 PM

After the clay mud kicked the stock tire's butt, I figured it was time to step the game up some. Stock tires were 25x8x12 front, 25x10x12 rear. I chose a Maxxis Zilla 27x9 front and 27x11 rear. Got em mounted yesterday.
Stock left, Maxxis right:

Same

Tread depth

And mounted on stock wheels:

08-09-2012, 09:09 AM	#16
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	I am beginnning to really look into an atv. I wonder if I could find one of these. __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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08-11-2012, 01:02 AM	#17
TCCKSR Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 298	You are still better off to find an older Grizzly 600 or an early 660 and buy it. In the long run it will last longer and be less issues. Frames on the Chinese quads are still an issue with cheaper metal and welds. My 2000 Grizzly 600 has well over 10,000 KM on it and it purrs and goes everywhere a $12,000 Can Am does plus pulls them out when they get stuck too. LOL And I paid less than $2000 for mine including all the things I had to do to it when I bought it. __________________ TCCK: The Coca-Cola Kid......... Hide your pepsi or I take your soul !!
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09-10-2012, 11:36 PM	#18
01SSRedA4 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 220	Took her out to the ATV park this past weekend. Beat the living piss out of it. Lots of clay mud, and 4wd. The end result when running 5 psi in cheap shit china tires: Rode about 3 miles back to the truck like this. __________________ 06 Foreman 500 - 29.5 OG Outlaws, 35%, Warn 2.5k, HL^2", <2.5">, EPI, HMF 95 Fourtrax 300 - 27" Zillas, SS212s , Viper 3k, HL^2" 04 XR80 - Stock 07 CRF50 - Stock
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09-11-2012, 01:52 AM	#19
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	That's where a 12 volt compressor, some lighter fluid and a match come in handy. Scary, but effective. Proceed at your own risk. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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09-11-2012, 11:35 AM	#20
TCCKSR Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 298	order some great tires on ebay for it. Maxxis Big Horn (1.0 not 2.0) they are the bomb, that is all I will run on a utility quad now. __________________ TCCK: The Coca-Cola Kid......... Hide your pepsi or I take your soul !!
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09-11-2012, 11:41 AM	#21
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Are cheap tires more likely to lose their bead? I did not know that. __________________ Happy to serve.
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09-11-2012, 02:46 PM	#22
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Not sure if it's cheap tires or cheap rims. I had that issue on my quad, so I installed tubes. Problem solved. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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09-11-2012, 04:44 PM	#23
01SSRedA4 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 220	Using 4wd all morning with a hard throttle caused it to leak around the beads. Both fronts gave me issues that day, the rears didn't. __________________ 06 Foreman 500 - 29.5 OG Outlaws, 35%, Warn 2.5k, HL^2", <2.5">, EPI, HMF 95 Fourtrax 300 - 27" Zillas, SS212s , Viper 3k, HL^2" 04 XR80 - Stock 07 CRF50 - Stock
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09-11-2012, 06:55 PM	#24
TCCKSR Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 298	cheaper tires are made from cheaper soft rubber which does not hold the bead as well. ALSO some SLIME (a gooey green gross slimy substance you can put in your tire) can also help with small leaks on the bead, small punctures too. http://www.slime.com/ All the guys I ride with swear by a can of it per ATV tire and they barely ever have to deal with tire issues. So I followed suit and no tire issues since installing it. BUT when you need to change or take a tire in for patch it will cost you extra to have tire fixed as they have to clean all that crap off the tire before they can patch it and it is gross to deal with. BUT a side note hard riding in wet still firm clay is VERY hard on ANY ATV tire though. __________________ TCCK: The Coca-Cola Kid......... Hide your pepsi or I take your soul !!
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09-11-2012, 11:22 PM	#25
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Like you've indicated TCCKSR, your tire guy will curse your name if you use Slime. Tubes are a cheap fix for a China tire. BTW, my buddy (who manages the local Fountain Tire), says that China rubber often has a high percentage of synthetic rubber. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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09-12-2012, 02:28 AM	#26
TCCKSR Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 298	My tire guy can't complain to me about my SLIME, when he is a client and I have to fix the stupid near retarded crap he does to his pc's all the time. If he complains I just remind him of all the extra time I have not billed him and he shuts up really quickly. LOL __________________ TCCK: The Coca-Cola Kid......... Hide your pepsi or I take your soul !!
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09-12-2012, 11:43 AM	#27
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I understand. My airplane, truck, and motorcycle mechanics are all friends and patients of mine. :wink: __________________ Happy to serve.
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09-15-2012, 11:53 PM	#28
FLASHLIGHTBOY Join Date: May 2009 Location: SASKATOON Posts: 1,161	GIO 550 CC ROCKLINER GIO just quit selling their 550 rockliner...I think they did not make enough$$$ on them... I bought one to sell... very nice... Yamaha DRIVETRAIN... JUST LIKE THIS... I sell the 500cc hisun & 700 cc hisun s well... same drive train.. everything matches the YAMAHA MODELS.. 500 ccmodel that looks like the one in your pics.. $6000.00 shipped to you fom Vancouver... 700 cc about $7000.00 .. same model... just larger motor......nice __________________ DEALER FOR ZSTAR & GIO PRODUCTS, TAOTAO ABIBABA ATV ETC
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09-16-2012, 11:27 PM	#29
TCCKSR Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 298	So my "antique Grizzly" as some of the Can Am guys call it, not only went everywhere their $10K-$15K Can Am's did this weekend BUT it went places their wouldn't and one of the guys got his nose out of joint. Then when I was on another guys butt racing back to camp and he could not pull away from me in HIGH and I told him when we got back to camp I was only in LOW, that did not go over well either. You can NEVER go wrong with a Yamaha Grizzly, old or new. Yamaha make the longest lasting quads in the market. Plus they hold their value the most too. __________________ TCCK: The Coca-Cola Kid......... Hide your pepsi or I take your soul !!
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09-28-2012, 03:48 PM	#30
01SSRedA4 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 220	After the clay mud kicked the stock tire's butt, I figured it was time to step the game up some. Stock tires were 25x8x12 front, 25x10x12 rear. I chose a Maxxis Zilla 27x9 front and 27x11 rear. Got em mounted yesterday. Stock left, Maxxis right: Same Tread depth And mounted on stock wheels: __________________ 06 Foreman 500 - 29.5 OG Outlaws, 35%, Warn 2.5k, HL^2", <2.5">, EPI, HMF 95 Fourtrax 300 - 27" Zillas, SS212s , Viper 3k, HL^2" 04 XR80 - Stock 07 CRF50 - Stock
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