A Shineray of hope!! 400cc that is!!

culcune · 12-16-2018, 01:40 AM

I know this bike was shown what must be 3 years ago. Never made it here, but now...well, it IS here according to the video. http://www.genuinescooters.com/g400c.html

Essayons · 12-16-2018, 01:50 AM

Sweet looking ride. Looking forward to some reviews.

pete · 12-16-2018, 02:04 AM

motor looks like a Honda XR400 copy...

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culcune · 12-16-2018, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by pete

motor looks like a Honda XR400 copy...

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I believe it is--Shineray have an acclaimed dual sport from years back which used this engine. I vaguely recall from mychinamoto.com one or two members there (ex-pats living in China with the bike) mentioning that.

pete · 12-16-2018, 02:42 AM

Wonder if they copyed it right down to the valve configgeration..
radial four valve system...all valves are on a diffrent plain and
valve angles would meet at a centre point of the piston crown
when the piston is at BDC..

is one of the reasons why the XR motors had a little more punch than other motors of the day...

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Megadan · 12-16-2018, 03:27 AM

I love it. This is the kind of bike I have kind of been hoping would come to the U.S. I think the $4,600 price tag is a little bit steep considering a Honda Rebel 300/500 can be had for not much more money. I guess this does definitely offer a more vintage looking/feeling bike though, so to each his/her own. I would be heavily interested in one of these if I knew I could get my hands on one for $4000.

NzBrakelathes · 12-16-2018, 05:17 AM

Word on the streets in China is that it looks great but not good, I knew a several guys here that had the X5 off road ----- not good and Shineray engines are weak and break 2nd gear (X2 and X5 both off road bikes)

I like the bike and the motor is a CB400SS copy but not well made (There is a Taiwanese company who makes them and they are good)

Plenty of comments on other forums and I wanted to buy one, I knew a couple guys and they which they hadn't bought them (X5).
1 had endless charge issues and a busted 2nd gear as well as several swing arms, the other I did repairs on he busted a starter in 9 months and he had several leaking tanks due to poor manufacturing.
Their X2 was maybe a little better but also busted 2nd gear easily.
The engine is the same in the Retro but seeing they are not off road then maybe OK if not off roaded.
My local mechanic services the version with the side cart - he also says not a very good quality bike. lowish quality bits and parts and for $5000 that's a fair chunk of change

Should have Delphi EFI (its good not perfect)

If you can buy the U.K.400 that has the Taiwan built engine and better quality all round

Mudflap · 12-16-2018, 06:00 AM

Hope they didn't copy the Honda XR's 4 valve head. Its a bizarre design with rocker arms on top of rocker arms at weird angles. It was always noisy and parts tended to wear out.

Megadan · 12-16-2018, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NzBrakelathes

Word on the streets in China is that it looks great but not good, I knew a several guys here that had the X5 off road ----- not good and Shineray engines are weak and break 2nd gear (X2 and X5 both off road bikes)

I like the bike and the motor is a CB400SS copy but not well made (There is a Taiwanese company who makes them and they are good)

Plenty of comments on other forums and I wanted to buy one, I knew a couple guys and they which they hadn't bought them (X5).
1 had endless charge issues and a busted 2nd gear as well as several swing arms, the other I did repairs on he busted a starter in 9 months and he had several leaking tanks due to poor manufacturing.
Their X2 was maybe a little better but also busted 2nd gear easily.
The engine is the same in the Retro but seeing they are not off road then maybe OK if not off roaded.
My local mechanic services the version with the side cart - he also says not a very good quality bike. lowish quality bits and parts and for $5000 that's a fair chunk of change

Should have Delphi EFI (its good not perfect)

If you can buy the U.K.400 that has the Taiwan built engine and better quality all round

From all of the information I could find the Genuine brand G400C is made in Taiwan, and it has the Delphi EFI.

Weirdly I would rather have a carburetor on this bike myself. Looks like the motor has an XR400 intake pattern, so converting it wouldn't be difficult.

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Originally Posted by Mudflap

Hope they didn't copy the Honda XR's 4 valve head. Its a bizarre design with rocker arms on top of rocker arms at weird angles. It was always noisy and parts tended to wear out.

I had a 400 for a brief time, and I never found the valvetrain to be much louder than most other solid lift/follower styles out there. The secondary adjuster rocker arm setup is definitely a strange one though, I will grant that. Mine had more problems with the timing chain adjuster than it ever did with the valvetrain though.

On the plus side of things, if it does follow the XR design closely, that also means there are lots of performance parts that could be swapped over.

I think this bike would be awesome for a cheap and easy flat tracker build.

NzBrakelathes · 12-16-2018, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Megadan

From all of the information I could find the Genuine brand G400C is made in Taiwan, and it has the Delphi EFI.

Weirdly I would rather have a carburetor on this bike myself. Looks like the motor has an XR400 intake pattern, so converting it wouldn't be difficult.

Thne it is not a Shineray or not a Shineray motor - that would be a bonus

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Originally Posted by Megadan

I had a 400 for a brief time, and I never found the valvetrain to be much louder than most other solid lift/follower styles out there. The secondary adjuster rocker arm setup is definitely a strange one though, I will grant that. Mine had more problems with the timing chain adjuster than it ever did with the valvetrain though.

On the plus side of things, if it does follow the XR design closely, that also means there are lots of performance parts that could be swapped over.

I think this bike would be awesome for a cheap and easy flat tracker build.

The motor has a seesaw lever across each pair of valve, I am told very clear it is a clone CB400SS which I think might have been a Japan only bike - motor very similar to the XR400 tho.

Barnone · 12-16-2018, 11:03 AM

The Genuine G400C is a Shineray rebadged. Mainland China.

NzBrakelathes · 12-16-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Mudflap

Hope they didn't copy the Honda XR's 4 valve head. Its a bizarre design with rocker arms on top of rocker arms at weird angles. It was always noisy and parts tended to wear out.

It is and I did a valve adj on the X5 using 0.06 intake and 0.08 exhaust for a great deal more torque and no noise at all.

I remember thinking that it all looked very weird in there and wondered where I should pock the feeler gauge

NzBrakelathes · 12-16-2018, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Barnone

The Genuine G400C is a Shineray rebadged. Mainland China.

Pity then, might be Ok as a road bike, def not good in the off road bikes.
The parts are pretty cheap resulting in some quality issues and at that price........... it isn't a budget bike to be fair.

Local price is something like RX3 price range just around $3100 USD at my local dealer. parts are easy enough to get............. generally speaking

Megadan · 12-16-2018, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Barnone

The Genuine G400C is a Shineray rebadged. Mainland China.

Might want to tell Genuine that information. Even their site says Taiwan. I do find it funny that in pictures and video it says made in China many places. So it could be assembled in Taiwan.

NzBrakelathes · 12-16-2018, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Megadan

Might want to tell Genuine that information. Even their site says Taiwan. I do find it funny that in pictures and video it says made in China many places. So it could be assembled in Taiwan.

Taiwan is China lol
Often the Taiwanese bikes or parts are assembled in China due to cheap labour but again maybe dealer has incorrect info listed as they don't know or care and buyers just buy and part with money. Many people don't want you to know too much beyond only parting with your cash.
I think as a road bike not ridden hard it be a nice fun bike but price tag is up there and some folk at that would rather buy a mainstream bike.
Anyway that is enough from me lol

12-16-2018, 01:40 AM	#1
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,035	A Shineray of hope!! 400cc that is!! I know this bike was shown what must be 3 years ago. Never made it here, but now...well, it IS here according to the video. http://www.genuinescooters.com/g400c.html __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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12-16-2018, 02:04 AM	#3
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12-16-2018, 02:42 AM	#5
pete Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: ChCh , NZ Posts: 2,262	Wonder if they copyed it right down to the valve configgeration.. radial four valve system...all valves are on a diffrent plain and valve angles would meet at a centre point of the piston crown when the piston is at BDC.. is one of the reasons why the XR motors had a little more punch than other motors of the day... .. __________________ 09 XT660R ... 06 TTR250 ... 80 Montesa H6 125 Enduro... 77 Montesa Cota 348 MRR "Malcom Rathnell Replica"... Current resto projects.. 81 Honda CT110... 80 Kawasaki KL250A1... 11 Husaburg TE125 enduro... "sold" along with another 31... Lifan 125 Pitbike.. "stolen" ... KIWI BIKER FORUM...... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/content.php All the best offroad rides in NZ... http://www.remotemoto.com/ E-mail... xtpete1@gmail.com
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12-16-2018, 03:27 AM	#6
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 8,041	I love it. This is the kind of bike I have kind of been hoping would come to the U.S. I think the $4,600 price tag is a little bit steep considering a Honda Rebel 300/500 can be had for not much more money. I guess this does definitely offer a more vintage looking/feeling bike though, so to each his/her own. I would be heavily interested in one of these if I knew I could get my hands on one for $4000. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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12-16-2018, 05:17 AM	#7
NzBrakelathes Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Hell Posts: 2,408	Word on the streets in China is that it looks great but not good, I knew a several guys here that had the X5 off road ----- not good and Shineray engines are weak and break 2nd gear (X2 and X5 both off road bikes) I like the bike and the motor is a CB400SS copy but not well made (There is a Taiwanese company who makes them and they are good) Plenty of comments on other forums and I wanted to buy one, I knew a couple guys and they which they hadn't bought them (X5). 1 had endless charge issues and a busted 2nd gear as well as several swing arms, the other I did repairs on he busted a starter in 9 months and he had several leaking tanks due to poor manufacturing. Their X2 was maybe a little better but also busted 2nd gear easily. The engine is the same in the Retro but seeing they are not off road then maybe OK if not off roaded. My local mechanic services the version with the side cart - he also says not a very good quality bike. lowish quality bits and parts and for $5000 that's a fair chunk of change Should have Delphi EFI (its good not perfect) If you can buy the U.K.400 that has the Taiwan built engine and better quality all round
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12-16-2018, 06:00 AM	#8
Mudflap Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,888	Hope they didn't copy the Honda XR's 4 valve head. Its a bizarre design with rocker arms on top of rocker arms at weird angles. It was always noisy and parts tended to wear out.
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12-16-2018, 11:03 AM	#11
Barnone Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,354	The Genuine G400C is a Shineray rebadged. Mainland China.
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