Jetmoto vs Viva rear suspension

04-24-2007, 02:35 PM

Just wondering if the Viva has this type of linkage or are using a different system.

This one is on the newest Jetmoto made by Kaier, not the older model made by Shineray.

Felt like a hardtail until it got about 100k on it then the shock loosened up and it now has around 6-7 inches of travel, just guessing, have'nt
actually tried measuring it yet.

TheOtherRide · 04-24-2007, 03:17 PM

Hey, that looks familiar! I think that's pretty similar to the Viva's...Akonababe or msRandi said they'd loosen up with time. I've been comparing my bike's setup to my boyfriend's KLR650. The KLR seems more mobile, but basically the same concept with longer cradle 'arms' & links.

04-24-2007, 03:39 PM

Sometimes looks can be deceiving.

red2003 · 04-24-2007, 04:25 PM

No way you are getting 6 - 7 inches of travel out of that linkage. It's the same as the Viva, Hi-Bird, Roketa, etc. If you measure you'll see you only have about 3 inches then the scissor is fully extended and there is no more suspension except for what the linkage will flex. Been there, RE-done that. Read here:

http://www.chinariders.net/modules.p...ewtopic&t=1315

ob1 · 04-24-2007, 08:42 PM

That "dog-bone" looks bent to me.

Definitely read Red's linkage mod thread!

SamM · 04-24-2007, 09:25 PM

This is what I'll be using to replace the stock shock and linkage on my new Viva. The mount on my swingarm has been cut off already. I'll be making one or two new front links that run back to the XR200 link. Need the parts in hand to see what will be the best.

I'm looking forward to gettin' after it. Hopefully, it will go together quickly. Stay tuned!

2005 Yamaha R1 rear shock

1995 Honda XR200R linkage

04-24-2007, 09:53 PM

Sam, is your linkage the exact same as on the Jetmoto.

SamM · 04-24-2007, 10:18 PM

Almost! It was very similar. However, my shock was resting on the rear mounted dog bone! Basically, making it a hardtail. Actually, the Jetmoto suspension looks like it would work. A bit beefier too! My swingarm mount wasn't underneath, it was below but more in front of the swingarm. If that's clear!

It's not the same anymore. Replacing all of it.

04-24-2007, 10:43 PM

Somebody told me recently that the original Lifans which most of these seem to be copied from were originally measured and copied from an XL-XR100. If this is the case that may be an easier solution.

It seems the chinks never really copy anything, they just make it look like a copy, if it works fine, if not oh well.

I've seen at least 3 different types of these and none of them seem consistent in measurements or in the way they are assembled.

TheOtherRide · 04-25-2007, 12:18 AM

Viva stock linkage

liverchip · 04-25-2007, 12:26 AM

Hey your dogbone isn't bent.

SamM · 04-25-2007, 08:18 AM

Pauli shows a good picture there. I was thinking that rear bracket was more forward than the Jetmoto. Guess not! I took a torch mine and cut it off. In her picture you can see the dog bone is much closer to bottom shock eye. Mine was right up against it and had worn the paint off the dog bone.

willshoemaker · 04-28-2007, 02:21 PM

So in conclusion the stock chinese suspension sucks?

Will

P.S. Sorry for bringing up the dead :?

04-24-2007, 02:35 PM	#1
Guest Posts: n/a	Jetmoto vs Viva rear suspension Just wondering if the Viva has this type of linkage or are using a different system. This one is on the newest Jetmoto made by Kaier, not the older model made by Shineray. Felt like a hardtail until it got about 100k on it then the shock loosened up and it now has around 6-7 inches of travel, just guessing, have'nt actually tried measuring it yet.
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04-24-2007, 03:17 PM	#2
TheOtherRide Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 403	Hey, that looks familiar! I think that's pretty similar to the Viva's...Akonababe or msRandi said they'd loosen up with time. I've been comparing my bike's setup to my boyfriend's KLR650. The KLR seems more mobile, but basically the same concept with longer cradle 'arms' & links. __________________ ~Pauli~ Former 2006 Viva VX200SX owner
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04-24-2007, 04:25 PM	#4
red2003 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Northern Vermont, USA Posts: 1,218	No way you are getting 6 - 7 inches of travel out of that linkage. It's the same as the Viva, Hi-Bird, Roketa, etc. If you measure you'll see you only have about 3 inches then the scissor is fully extended and there is no more suspension except for what the linkage will flex. Been there, RE-done that. Read here: http://www.chinariders.net/modules.p...ewtopic&t=1315 __________________ 2006 Roketa RSX200E MODS: YZ250F Muffler, Airbox delete with K/N style filter, Main Jet reamed 2 sizes over, Yamaha R1 Rear clicker shock on custom scissor linkage making 8 3/4in. of rear wheel travel!!! Battery relocated under seat.
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04-24-2007, 09:25 PM	#6
SamM Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,194	This is what I'll be using to replace the stock shock and linkage on my new Viva. The mount on my swingarm has been cut off already. I'll be making one or two new front links that run back to the XR200 link. Need the parts in hand to see what will be the best. I'm looking forward to gettin' after it. Hopefully, it will go together quickly. Stay tuned! 2005 Yamaha R1 rear shock 1995 Honda XR200R linkage __________________ 2013 Jeep Wrangler Sahara MOAB 2005 BMW E53 X5 2011 Schutt Industries LTT-HC LQG trailer 2017 Coleman CT200U 1978 Yamaha SR500E 1979 Yamaha XS650 Special II
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04-24-2007, 10:18 PM	#8
SamM Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,194	Almost! It was very similar. However, my shock was resting on the rear mounted dog bone! Basically, making it a hardtail. Actually, the Jetmoto suspension looks like it would work. A bit beefier too! My swingarm mount wasn't underneath, it was below but more in front of the swingarm. If that's clear! It's not the same anymore. Replacing all of it. __________________ 2013 Jeep Wrangler Sahara MOAB 2005 BMW E53 X5 2011 Schutt Industries LTT-HC LQG trailer 2017 Coleman CT200U 1978 Yamaha SR500E 1979 Yamaha XS650 Special II
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04-24-2007, 03:39 PM	#3
Guest Posts: n/a	Sometimes looks can be deceiving.
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04-24-2007, 08:42 PM	#5
ob1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 499	That "dog-bone" looks bent to me. Definitely read Red's linkage mod thread!
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04-24-2007, 09:53 PM	#7
Guest Posts: n/a	Sam, is your linkage the exact same as on the Jetmoto.
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04-24-2007, 10:43 PM	#9
Guest Posts: n/a	Somebody told me recently that the original Lifans which most of these seem to be copied from were originally measured and copied from an XL-XR100. If this is the case that may be an easier solution. It seems the chinks never really copy anything, they just make it look like a copy, if it works fine, if not oh well. I've seen at least 3 different types of these and none of them seem consistent in measurements or in the way they are assembled.
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04-25-2007, 12:18 AM	#10
TheOtherRide Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 403	Viva stock linkage __________________ ~Pauli~ Former 2006 Viva VX200SX owner
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04-25-2007, 12:26 AM	#11
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	Hey your dogbone isn't bent. __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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04-25-2007, 08:18 AM	#12
SamM Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,194	Pauli shows a good picture there. I was thinking that rear bracket was more forward than the Jetmoto. Guess not! I took a torch mine and cut it off. In her picture you can see the dog bone is much closer to bottom shock eye. Mine was right up against it and had worn the paint off the dog bone. __________________ 2013 Jeep Wrangler Sahara MOAB 2005 BMW E53 X5 2011 Schutt Industries LTT-HC LQG trailer 2017 Coleman CT200U 1978 Yamaha SR500E 1979 Yamaha XS650 Special II
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04-28-2007, 02:21 PM	#13
willshoemaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Belle Vernon, Pennsylvania Posts: 41	So in conclusion the stock chinese suspension sucks? Will P.S. Sorry for bringing up the dead :? __________________ Ride It Like You Stole It. "Time is an abstract concept created by carbon based lifeforms to monitor their own decay."
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