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07-29-2023, 04:38 AM | #1 |
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81 head is off
Wanted to get the head and cylinder off the 81 CT110 stuck engine.
wanted to see the condition of the valves and if perhaps anything was in better condition than the 84 basket case parts... Well I did manage to get the head and cylinder off...Cylinder is a definite write off...the head could be saved but the spark plug thread snapped, and the dowel pins that hold the rockers seem to be stuck to the rockers...so i can't pull them out to remove the valve springs... cam was a little crusty but could work in a pinch. the timing chain side appear rust free... The chain guide/idler pulley is like new so that's a part swap improvement. looks like the same head stud is corroded worse than the 84. Seems to be a problematic stud location. |
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07-29-2023, 09:59 AM | #2 |
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1 of the photos shows the head cooking on my butane camp stove...which will get it warm.
though I have been in need of a propane torch to add to the tool collection for some time. Just an ordinary paraffin white wax candle right? because I also have my own beeswax... |
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07-29-2023, 07:28 PM | #3 |
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Yes ,paraffin wax would work ,the camp stove should be ok too .
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07-29-2023, 10:06 PM | #4 |
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Postie Shade tree Chop Shop.
The 81 CT110 frame sacrifice to save the 84.
Both frames have some chassis blowouts. As mentioned before the 84 has some hope left... Just the messy rust discovery and removal phase. Some blow outs are in similar trouble areas...but the main 84 problem spot can be cut out and patched. Meanwhile..the 81 head is soaking in vinegar in an attempt to free up the rocker dowels and valves... |
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07-30-2023, 07:35 PM | #5 |
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Unsieze The Day
Plug released its grip...
Cross threaded...quite badly. The thread tip of the extracted plug shows it started right at the tip all the way down. I made a thread chaser out of a Chinese 'performance' sparkplug...So you can see what I think of its performance as a thread cleaner by making 2 disc cuts either side for swarf. In other words don't get these orange 3 tip plugs... Always start threading in spark plugs by hand people... There must be enough material left to have some bind as a new NGK did seat with 1 half click of the wrist... Glad I did it now while the head was on the bench as quite a bit of chewed thread material fell out of the spark plug hole... This original Honda bike project is more of a personal shed/garage ornament and conversation starter, which I am just saving from a lost fate. Yes I am trying to make it run. But replacement parts and maintenance make it expensive for long term on road viability. Anyway If the plug holds I'll run it, if it ejects then I might think about helicoils and such... Last edited by XLsior; 07-30-2023 at 08:12 PM. |
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07-29-2023, 09:55 PM | #6 |
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Just doing heat soak cycles with a heat gun and penetrating fluid 'with added ptfe' claims.
Will try to unplug the plug after 24hrs of soak time. |
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07-30-2023, 07:58 PM | #7 |
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Nicely done!
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07-30-2023, 09:33 PM | #8 |
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Some people shouldn't be allowed to touch tools.
Good on ya. I've had to make my own 'taps' when working in the field. Sometimes it's the only way when you're looking at effed up BSPP.
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07-31-2023, 04:50 AM | #9 |
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Does anyone know the part# for the 2 small return springs used inside the CDI timing advance assembly that is housed in the head attached to the cam timing gear?
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07-31-2023, 10:27 PM | #10 |
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Spring thing
Found the rusted timing advance unit in the bin from the 81 donor.
Thankfully it had the only still intact tension spring. took measurements and order a pack of 10 stainless steel 20mm long 5mm outside diameter and 0.4mm thick wire tension springs expected shipping from aliexpress is a month away. But finding a genuine OEM Honda replacement would cost 10x more. Just needs to make the bike run... Also having doubts about the JB case/thread repair holding the head and providing enough gasket clamp pressure...so I am making a decision to JBweld the head stud into the case...if i can find where i put the JB weld is the issue right now |
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08-01-2023, 07:46 AM | #11 |
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This is normal. It gets worse. Like, “I just had that effing 8mm wrench in my hand.” Which is why I now pad time on repairs.
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08-01-2023, 10:24 PM | #13 |
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81 engine further investigation
Removing the side cover of the 81 ct110 engine.
Had to cut off the welded on shift lever... Inside found well established surface rust...I get the feeling this bike tried to be amphibious at some point in its life. Though crunchy it all seems to be in place...and the case looks unmolested. (unlike the 84...foreshadowing) I don't have a 2 jaw fly wheel puller but in an attempt to remove the nut the engine did start to turn over albeit with the sound of some popular breakfast cereal. But the fact it turns suggests hope in a case split if ever required. Last edited by XLsior; 08-02-2023 at 04:47 AM. |
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08-01-2023, 10:40 PM | #14 |
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84 recombobulated
Putting the 84 engine back together again with the included new and old parts.
New piston and cylinder + gaskets. Also discovered this engine case has seen JB in its past before...possible chain loose/snap and case damage. I cleaned it back and applied a fresh layer of JB weld... Did all the timing and cam chain tensioner stuff...not that hard, just fiddly. applied a smear of gasket sealer on the case side...cover side clean mating surface to paper gasket. Grey clouds rolling in...so got it all closed up before humidity gets in... |
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08-01-2023, 10:51 PM | #15 |
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Low High Lever
The 84 Hi lo transfer lever was a fraction of its former self and also put up a fight coming out of the cover...
the 81 will be replacing it after some clean and paint, then the transfer box can be reinstalled. Most of seals seemed ok, even though I have a new seal kit nothing indicated to me that the original installed seals might be bad...so i just cleaned them and applied silicone grease...Some original cover gaskets looked ok too with a smear of sealer sealing the deal... Just the timing advance CDI springs on wait... |
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