When a 20 minute job takes you all day

daddy469 · 09-13-2010, 09:18 AM

I made the attempt to fix a stripped bolt hole yesterday. Right in the middle of it I got a super important world is going to end phone call from work. The stripped hole stuff set way to solid around the bolt. Even slowly working the bolt back and fourth it eventually went PING and snapped. I still haven't gotten the broken bolt out. I thought it would be easier to take the magneto cover off, but in retrospect It will be easier to drill it on the bike as I do not have a drill press. I still haven't figured out how to take off the seat. It looks like it may be buried under several layers of 'stuff'.

When I removed the magneto cover it became very obvious how the threads got stripped in the first place. From the factory, too long of a bolt was used. It bottomed out against the rest of the engine and would never get tight so I'm thinking whatever tool was used to initially put it on there spun it around a bunch, but the blue loc-tite caused it to stick.

Zooming in views red arrows show the broken bolt:
First pic illustrates where the bolt is that broke off.

Closer up view:

Super zoom:

Inside of the magneto cover (only because Spud would say "too bad we didn't get a pic of the inside of the magneto cover"

)

Flywheel

I'm going to post an "I admit I'm a bonehead" question on the Pitster forums to see if I can get a good how-to on seat removal. Until then, I've got a few ideas on how to keep the drill bit centered while I drill that old bolt body out. Whatever those bolts are made of, the do not like to drill.....

Daddy 8)

frostbite · 09-13-2010, 11:49 AM

Whatever you do, _please_ don't use an easy-out/extractor. That way lies damnation.

Weldangrind · 09-13-2010, 11:52 AM

Have you tried a cobalt bit? They'll usually chew through anything.

What's with the skidplate? It looks like it's bent up towards the drain plug.

Your countershaft sprocket has 11 teeth, and it's unlike any other that I've seen. I'm still no closer to the origins of this engine. :? [/quote]

bones33 · 09-13-2010, 01:45 PM

Maybe the Chinese have hired some, brace yourself, engineers to design this motor. If this is a harbinger of things to come, we oughta see some pretty good stuff in the future. Looks nice anyway, hope they are bullet-proof as well.

Cobalt bits are it when drilling out the forsaken easy-out. They will be destroyed in the process as they are extremely brittle and will only work with patience - be careful!

daddy469 · 09-13-2010, 02:40 PM

Ez outs..... I've only used 1 successfully in my life. Every other time they have made the problem much much worse. I'll have to search out some cobalt bits and WD-40 and go to town. I just need it out of there, any other suggestions?

Daddy 8)

FastDoc · 09-13-2010, 03:13 PM

Reverse drill bit. Many times they will actually remove the broken bolt just by using them.

mizke · 09-13-2010, 05:56 PM

feel your pain dude, i was checking out my oil filter on the quad, the shifter was in the way so i went to remove it and snap the bolt that tightens it around the shift rod snapped off in the shifter.. that was mid afternoon and then about 4am i finally got the bolt drilled out, but some of it was left in it. so i removed the shifter and drilled it out some more eventually got it and the hole was big enough to put a large bolt with a lock washer on it..

youtube search removing a broken bolt, some great how to videos there that make it look all to easy

MICRider · 09-13-2010, 10:08 PM

Is the broken bolt sticking up enough to snork a set of vice grips on it? I have had good success with that method provided that the bolt isn't too tight. Hoping you can get it out without too many expletives.

Cheers,
Stew

mizke · 09-13-2010, 10:43 PM

if the bolt is sticking out enough you could always do a little tack weld to another bolt and see if that can back it out

2LZ · 09-13-2010, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daddy469

Ez outs..... I've only used 1 successfully in my life. Every other time they have made the problem much much worse. I'll have to search out some cobalt bits and WD-40 and go to town. I just need it out of there, any other suggestions?

Daddy 8)

Yep! You got that right! All the years of wrenchin and I've only had one success case. The rest were nightmares.....but do you think I'd learn!? NO! :roll: Because I used one successfully once.....there's always that chance I may hit another jackpot!....which...uh...wasn't the case with my 'factory crossthreaded' bolt in my X-Moto's plastic fork protector mounting bolt.
It's now runs on 1 bolt wth a snapped EZ-out in the other cross-threaded hole. :oops: :x

That is one big QC thing I've found on the CB's that are like no other. Some of the bolts are truly made of hard cookie dough. Extreme metal quality inconsistencies.

daddy469 · 09-14-2010, 01:03 AM

***Disclaimer***
I never swear. I just don't. There are so many better words out there when something goes horribly wrong.

I swore today:

I dang near had the old bolt out. I was alternating between the drill and the center punch. I brought the wrong hammer....

I had to walk away from that the rest of the evening. I'm going to assess the damage in further detail tomorrow. It looks like a clean crack and if it is I'm going to JB Weld it in true chinariders fashion

. Up until that point it was going great, but that little chuck must have been holding that whole puppy together.

Bah!

Daddy 8)

daddy469 · 09-14-2010, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Have you tried a cobalt bit? They'll usually chew through anything.

What's with the skidplate? It looks like it's bent up towards the drain plug.

Your countershaft sprocket has 11 teeth, and it's unlike any other that I've seen. I'm still no closer to the origins of this engine. :?

The skid plate got a bit tweaked when my helper let the bike slip down hard on the lift. Nothing that a rubber mallet won't fix

Daddy 8)

Weldangrind · 09-14-2010, 01:54 AM

Know anyone with a TIG welder? That would make for a nice, clean leak-free repair.

frostbite · 09-14-2010, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daddy469

***Disclaimer***
I never swear. I just don't. There are so many better words out there when something goes horribly wrong.

I swore today:

I always thought that was why Jesus was a carpenter. If you can work with tools all day and not swear you must be the son of God.

BillR · 09-14-2010, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daddy469

***Disclaimer***
I never swear. I just don't. There are so many better words out there when something goes horribly wrong.
I swore today:
I dang near had the old bolt out. I was alternating between the drill and the center punch. I brought the wrong hammer....
Bah!
Daddy 8)

Tough luck... :x
Hope you can get it repaired.
Bill R

09-13-2010, 09:18 AM	#1
daddy469 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	When a 20 minute job takes you all day I made the attempt to fix a stripped bolt hole yesterday. Right in the middle of it I got a super important world is going to end phone call from work. The stripped hole stuff set way to solid around the bolt. Even slowly working the bolt back and fourth it eventually went PING and snapped. I still haven't gotten the broken bolt out. I thought it would be easier to take the magneto cover off, but in retrospect It will be easier to drill it on the bike as I do not have a drill press. I still haven't figured out how to take off the seat. It looks like it may be buried under several layers of 'stuff'. When I removed the magneto cover it became very obvious how the threads got stripped in the first place. From the factory, too long of a bolt was used. It bottomed out against the rest of the engine and would never get tight so I'm thinking whatever tool was used to initially put it on there spun it around a bunch, but the blue loc-tite caused it to stick. Zooming in views red arrows show the broken bolt: First pic illustrates where the bolt is that broke off. Closer up view: Super zoom: Inside of the magneto cover (only because Spud would say "too bad we didn't get a pic of the inside of the magneto cover" ) Flywheel I'm going to post an "I admit I'm a bonehead" question on the Pitster forums to see if I can get a good how-to on seat removal. Until then, I've got a few ideas on how to keep the drill bit centered while I drill that old bolt body out. Whatever those bolts are made of, the do not like to drill..... Daddy 8)
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09-13-2010, 11:49 AM	#2
frostbite Join Date: May 2006 Location: Fredericton, NB, Canada Posts: 1,744	Whatever you do, _please_ don't use an easy-out/extractor. That way lies damnation. __________________ Frostbite "The beatings will continue until moral improves"
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09-13-2010, 11:52 AM	#3
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Have you tried a cobalt bit? They'll usually chew through anything. What's with the skidplate? It looks like it's bent up towards the drain plug. Your countershaft sprocket has 11 teeth, and it's unlike any other that I've seen. I'm still no closer to the origins of this engine. :? [/quote] __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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09-13-2010, 01:45 PM	#4
bones33 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 36	Maybe the Chinese have hired some, brace yourself, engineers to design this motor. If this is a harbinger of things to come, we oughta see some pretty good stuff in the future. Looks nice anyway, hope they are bullet-proof as well. Cobalt bits are it when drilling out the forsaken easy-out. They will be destroyed in the process as they are extremely brittle and will only work with patience - be careful! __________________ Member: Zongshen world domination plot.
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09-13-2010, 03:13 PM	#6
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	Reverse drill bit. Many times they will actually remove the broken bolt just by using them. __________________ Happy to serve.
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09-13-2010, 02:40 PM	#5
daddy469 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	Ez outs..... I've only used 1 successfully in my life. Every other time they have made the problem much much worse. I'll have to search out some cobalt bits and WD-40 and go to town. I just need it out of there, any other suggestions? Daddy 8)
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09-13-2010, 05:56 PM	#7
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	feel your pain dude, i was checking out my oil filter on the quad, the shifter was in the way so i went to remove it and snap the bolt that tightens it around the shift rod snapped off in the shifter.. that was mid afternoon and then about 4am i finally got the bolt drilled out, but some of it was left in it. so i removed the shifter and drilled it out some more eventually got it and the hole was big enough to put a large bolt with a lock washer on it.. youtube search removing a broken bolt, some great how to videos there that make it look all to easy
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09-13-2010, 10:08 PM	#8
MICRider Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,274	Is the broken bolt sticking up enough to snork a set of vice grips on it? I have had good success with that method provided that the bolt isn't too tight. Hoping you can get it out without too many expletives. Cheers, Stew
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09-13-2010, 10:43 PM	#9
mizke Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,452	if the bolt is sticking out enough you could always do a little tack weld to another bolt and see if that can back it out
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09-14-2010, 01:03 AM	#11
daddy469 Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	*Disclaimer* I never swear. I just don't. There are so many better words out there when something goes horribly wrong. I swore today: I dang near had the old bolt out. I was alternating between the drill and the center punch. I brought the wrong hammer.... I had to walk away from that the rest of the evening. I'm going to assess the damage in further detail tomorrow. It looks like a clean crack and if it is I'm going to JB Weld it in true chinariders fashion . Up until that point it was going great, but that little chuck must have been holding that whole puppy together. Bah! Daddy 8)
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09-14-2010, 01:54 AM	#13
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Know anyone with a TIG welder? That would make for a nice, clean leak-free repair. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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