Why are there no threads about new bikes?

[ChopperCharles]

Barely anything about the KPM200, SG400/Hayalon, or Benelli talked about on here. RX3 and RX4 conversation has dried up. Is this site for every china bike, or just for the cheap hawk clones from amazon?

Charles.

[Sport Rider]

open to anything and everything. I find much of the conversation here about what bike can be bought the cheapest, so I think price drives a lot of conversation.

the SG400 is priced at 4500, so not exactly a price leader. I seem to recall a post or two, but higher price than I'm looking for in a chinese bike. Pretty much the same for the Haylon at 4600. (those prices are before CSC adds on costs too).

I personally think CSC has lost sight of the market they are after.

[JerryHawk250]

New bikes coming to the US in April of this year. Moto Morini X-Cape 650 and Seiemmezzo .
The engine is based off the Kawasaki 650 twin. The engine is built by CF Moto. It Looks like the Lifan KPT400 will be delayed till later this year or beginning of next year because of EPA issues. I'm personally liking the X-Cape over the KPT400 now. https://www.motomoriniusa.com/motorcycles

[4T_Goblin]

Looks good

[tknj99]

I think Sport Rider said it best.. most on here are new to China bikes and tip-toeing into it with a minimal budget. At the 2k range price-point, nothing compares,... step into 4k or so and the perceived risk is much higher.. you have little to no dealer support other than via phone/mail and much less of a proven track record.

[JerryHawk250]

The only reason I had join here was because at the time all I could afford was my $1099 Hawk. And I'm still a cheap bastard.

[ChopperCharles]

I see it far differently. I see CSC importing bikes that largely fit in a niche that no one else does, and at a reasonable price. There is no other highway capable retro-modern cafe racer out there. You can get retro-oldschool cafe in the Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. You can get retro-modern naked/UJM with the Z650RS or Z900RS. All of those options are thousands of dollars more. And you still won't have something as cool as the SG400.

Same with the RX3 and RX4. Small-bore, capable adventure bikes are a new thing, and CSC pioneered it. Tubeless spoked rims, TFT display, and TPMS on a budget bike they also pioneered.

The thing is... I'm not out to buy the cheapest bike or get the best deal or whatnot. I'm looking at what I LIKE. And I like the kind of bikes the Chinese are making. I buy based on emotional reaction most of the time. I like how it looks, I like how I feel on it. This day and age there's no difference in a quality Chinese product and a quality Japanese product, except price. It also helps that I very much like the 350-650cc class of bikes best.

In 2023 it's no longer a risk to buy a Chinese bike from a reputable, quality marquee. That would be CFMoto, Benelli, or CSC. Both CFMoto and Benelli have a great dealer network. Benelli has more dealers in the US than KTM does, and the bikes have been on the road in Europe for more than 5 years. Tested and thrashed and many with high mileage. Almost all are glowing reviews. And there's a guy on a TRK502X on his way around the world.

Things have changed alreadyl; It's a brand new situation now. It took the Japanese decades to get to where they are as market leaders. The chinese are aimed to accomplish this in mere years. Perceptions and stigmas change slower though. Especially in the exceptionally propagandized USA.

Charles.

[Bruces]

If no members bought the new bike ,then there will be nothing on here about that bike other than a post saying that it’s available .

[JerryHawk250]

CF Moto has a wide selection of bikes at decent prices. https://cfmotousa.com/motorcycles

[Sport Rider]

I like the RX4, but I'm looking for something to go more off-road than that is geared for. the comparable is the Himalayan. Reviews say it's better for what I need. Once prices get to 4500 and up, I start looking at the used market for other brand names with known quality. Heck, even now I'm looking for a used Himi rather than new. I'm looking at the KLR650 as well and would likely pick up whichever hit the best price/value point for me.

You're right about quality going up. Like tknj99 said, I'm not sure I trust them enough yet to spend bigger $.

[Ratboy859]

I found this web site by researching the CSC SG250 motorcycle for my son. I never considered a China Bike for various reasons. My biggest concerns were buying on line, shipping to the house and then dealer support. Overall, I was getting my son on the road with a price point. He was going from dirt riding to street riding. If he didn't like it, I wasn't out of much money.

CSC has a Facebook presence for the new bikes. There are a few sites on FB, but nothing serious. If it means anything, the heavy site I am on also has the same problem. Riders ride but there aren't a lot of reviews of the newer bikes. There are plenty of complaints about the problems of the current stock. There is also the typical technical questions and thoughts. But very few reviews by owners on the newer bikes. There are plenty of suggestions about what bike is best, but those answers are jaded.

The question is how does one get newer model riders to put a review on the boards?

[Sport Rider]

Originally Posted by Ratboy859

I found this web site by researching the CSC SG250 motorcycle for my son. I never considered a China Bike for various reasons. My biggest concerns were buying on line, shipping to the house and then dealer support. Overall, I was getting my son on the road with a price point. He was going from dirt riding to street riding. If he didn't like it, I wasn't out of much money.

CSC has a Facebook presence for the new bikes. There are a few sites on FB, but nothing serious. If it means anything, the heavy site I am on also has the same problem. Riders ride but there aren't a lot of reviews of the newer bikes. There are plenty of complaints about the problems of the current stock. There is also the typical technical questions and thoughts. But very few reviews by owners on the newer bikes. There are plenty of suggestions about what bike is best, but those answers are jaded.

The question is how does one get newer model riders to put a review on the boards?

Well, first off, you can't trust anything that comes from someone in Gaston County.

Although people on here provide feedback and input on various bikes, I see a lot of links to youtube reviews. even the mainstream motorcycle rags don't have a great deal of new chinese bike reviews....although it's getting more attention than it used to.

[Megadan]

Simplest explanation I can give.

SG400 + processing fees and delivery costs = $5300
RZ3S Haylon 400 + processing and shipping at current sale price = $4600

2022 Yamaha MT03 + dealer fees at local dealership = $5100
2023 MT03 + Fees = $5400

MT03 is 50lbs lighter, makes 14 more hp, has a ton of factory and aftermarket support all over the country.

There are a ton of other big brand bikes in that category and the comparison is basically the same.

Meanwhile, in the cheap Hawk and Hawk like bike category.

KLX230 out the door = $5300
My Hawk delivered $1400. My silly number of upgrades cost about as much as the bike. Still half the price.
A KPX250, a very good bike to compare to the KLX is still 2 grand less. The KLX does have some advantages, sure, but for most guys doing light off road and street duty, you won take advantage of it.

That's why the cheap Hawk bikes are so prolific, and why nobody buys the bigger class of bikes available. The appeal was always in the cost savings, and there isn't enough savings. If the RZ3S Haylon 400 was 4k delivered, It would sell like the KPX250.

[Flashesbuck]

Originally Posted by Megadan

Simplest explanation I can give.

SG400 + processing fees and delivery costs = $5300
RZ3S Haylon 400 + processing and shipping at current sale price = $4600

2022 Yamaha MT03 + dealer fees at local dealership = $5100
2023 MT03 + Fees = $5400

MT03 is 50lbs lighter, makes 14 more hp, has a ton of factory and aftermarket support all over the country.

There are a ton of other big brand bikes in that category and the comparison is basically the same.

Meanwhile, in the cheap Hawk and Hawk like bike category.

KLX230 out the door = $5300
My Hawk delivered $1400. My silly number of upgrades cost about as much as the bike. Still half the price.
A KPX250, a very good bike to compare to the KLX is still 2 grand less. The KLX does have some advantages, sure, but for most guys doing light off road and street duty, you won take advantage of it.

That's why the cheap Hawk bikes are so prolific, and why nobody buys the bigger class of bikes available. The appeal was always in the cost savings, and there isn't enough savings. If the RZ3S Haylon 400 was 4k delivered, It would sell like the KPX250.

I would agree….. That Haylon 400 was on my short list. I could get it shipped right to my door for just shy of $5k. Its steap, but looking around there isnt much at that price range… like you said for not much more I could get into a new Jap bike.
then you cannot ignore the second had market, although dealing with a privit party is a real pain and there alot of value to just ordering something online and having it show up a few weeks later.
There really isnt anything out on Youtube about the Haylon, the main reason I passed it up.
I am currenly waiting for delivery on a new KPX…. I looked good and hard at the Hawk EFI, and the KPM 200…. I settled on the KPX as I would really like to build a supermoto.
I wish we could get a reasonable quick smaller bike from china…. in the 300-350cc range. Im thinking Hawk quality here, maybe supermoto or cafe racer styling. Keep it cheap, but still give me EFI.

[JerryHawk250]

CF Moto does have 300-450cc bike for a reasonable price. https://cfmotousa.com/motorcycles