Hawk 250 Nuetral & Transmission Problem

Andizzle · 10-02-2017, 12:21 PM

I just recently bought a Hawk 250 and fixed it up and then when I went to ride it the neutral light was working then it shut off and it still goes into 1st gear but it won't go into 2nd. I can get it up to 25 MPH in 1st then try to shift to 2nd and it won't. Any ideas on what the problem could be? It has less than 500 miles. Thanks

Mudflap · 10-02-2017, 12:47 PM

Have a look at the shift lever and sprocket cover. I've had the lower sprocket cover bolt back out and obstruct the shifter.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-02-2017, 01:23 PM

Can you shift through the gears when its not running? You may just need to adjust the play in the clutch. You want almost no slack in the clutch lever. Only about an 1/8" of play.

Andizzle · 10-02-2017, 02:10 PM

When it's not running I can put it into first and second because the bike will be rolling until I put it into gear and it stops, since it's in gear. But when I ride it it doesn't want to go into 2nd. I got it to slip into 2nd once and then it popped back out into neutral. When I get off work I'll try to get a video

**JerryHawk250** · 10-02-2017, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

When it's not running I can put it into first and second because the bike will be rolling until I put it into gear and it stops, since it's in gear. But when I ride it it doesn't want to go into 2nd. I got it to slip into 2nd once and then it popped back out into neutral. When I get off work I'll try to get a video

As Mudflap said, check and make sure there is no obstructions that are stopping you from upshifting. It could be the lower chain cover bolt or shift lever making contact with the cover. I would also check your clutch adjustment too.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-02-2017, 03:01 PM

Here's a tutorial on clutch adjustment. http://www.cscmotorcycles.com/Articles.asp?ID=298 If this doesn't work it could be in the shifting mechanism itself.

Andizzle · 10-02-2017, 03:46 PM

Thanks again could that also be why it will slip out of first sometimes?

**JerryHawk250** · 10-02-2017, 04:17 PM

If it's slipping out of 1st gear and there is nothing externally obstructing movement of the shifter then is could be something internal such as a damaged drum stopper plate, Drum stopper arm or shifting forks. But with less than 500 miles it may not be the case. Try all the other suggestions first and report back. Then we can go into it further.

**JerryHawk250** · 10-02-2017, 04:18 PM

Here's a video to help understand how it all works.
This is a Yamaha engine. The Hawk is closer to the Honda but works on the same principal.

Andizzle · 10-02-2017, 06:32 PM

I got home and my uncle volunteered to try and get it into 2nd. But when he put it into first the bike starts pulling you even with the clutch all the way in which it wasn't doing yesterday. I looked and the neutral light worked for a couple of minutes then stopped working and the bike continued to try to pull away in 1st and then as soon as you'd give it gas it would sputter out and die. When I bought the bike, someone had taken the exhaust off completely and I just recently put a new one on. Could that be the problem?

JeremyC · 10-02-2017, 07:38 PM

That screams out clutch adjustment, but I'm also concerned with it not going into 2nd, because you CAN shift without the clutch (I'm not saying it's a good idea LOL). Perhaps you have a bad shift pawl, or drum. Tinker with it some more and let us know!

Andizzle · 10-02-2017, 07:45 PM

This is weird I was riding it and from a standstill if I put it in 1st it grinds really bad and won't let me but if I start in 2nd it takes off just like if I was in 1st. But then I'll be slowing down and have to put it into first to keep it from stalling the only thing is that it won't go past 2nd now. Does that make sense?

Ariel Red Hunter · 10-02-2017, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Andizzle

I just recently bought a Hawk 250 and fixed it up and then when I went to ride it the neutral light was working then it shut off and it still goes into 1st gear but it won't go into 2nd. I can get it up to 25 MPH in 1st then try to shift to 2nd and it won't. Any ideas on what the problem could be? It has less than 500 miles. Thanks

I hope this is just a clutch adjustment problem, and not that the previous owner dumped the bike hard on the left side. Make sure that the shifting lever is not bent. I would put it up on the center stand, and try shifting the gears by hand. You may have to turn the rear wheel to get it to shift. Make sure that the shift lever is not touching anything, going down to first, then up, up, up, up to high gear. Also watch that the bolt that holds the shifter on is not touching anything during these movements. ANY interferance will cause shifting problems....ARH

Andizzle · 10-02-2017, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

I hope this is just a clutch adjustment problem, and not that the previous owner dumped the bike hard on the left side. Make sure that the shifting lever is not bent. I would put it up on the center stand, and try shifting the gears by hand. You may have to turn the rear wheel to get it to shift. Make sure that the shift lever is not touching anything, going down to first, then up, up, up, up to high gear. Also watch that the bolt that holds the shifter on is not touching anything during these movements. ANY interferance will cause shifting problems....ARH

Here's a vid

**JerryHawk250** · 10-02-2017, 10:24 PM

1st thing I notice is that the shift lever is hitting the housing. Remove the lever and rotate it counter clockwise 1 groove on the spline. It's not shifting all the way to 2nd gear. The shift lever is bent in to far and really should clear the housing.

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Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	Hawk 250 Nuetral & Transmission Problem I just recently bought a Hawk 250 and fixed it up and then when I went to ride it the neutral light was working then it shut off and it still goes into 1st gear but it won't go into 2nd. I can get it up to 25 MPH in 1st then try to shift to 2nd and it won't. Any ideas on what the problem could be? It has less than 500 miles. Thanks
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10-02-2017, 01:23 PM	#3
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	Can you shift through the gears when its not running? You may just need to adjust the play in the clutch. You want almost no slack in the clutch lever. Only about an 1/8" of play. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-02-2017, 03:01 PM	#6
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	Here's a tutorial on clutch adjustment. http://www.cscmotorcycles.com/Articles.asp?ID=298 If this doesn't work it could be in the shifting mechanism itself. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel Last edited by JerryHawk250; 10-02-2017 at 03:41 PM.
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10-02-2017, 04:17 PM	#8
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	If it's slipping out of 1st gear and there is nothing externally obstructing movement of the shifter then is could be something internal such as a damaged drum stopper plate, Drum stopper arm or shifting forks. But with less than 500 miles it may not be the case. Try all the other suggestions first and report back. Then we can go into it further. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-02-2017, 04:18 PM	#9
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	Here's a video to help understand how it all works. This is a Yamaha engine. The Hawk is closer to the Honda but works on the same principal. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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10-02-2017, 12:47 PM	#2
Mudflap Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,870	Have a look at the shift lever and sprocket cover. I've had the lower sprocket cover bolt back out and obstruct the shifter.
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10-02-2017, 02:10 PM	#4
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	When it's not running I can put it into first and second because the bike will be rolling until I put it into gear and it stops, since it's in gear. But when I ride it it doesn't want to go into 2nd. I got it to slip into 2nd once and then it popped back out into neutral. When I get off work I'll try to get a video
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10-02-2017, 03:46 PM	#7
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	Thanks again could that also be why it will slip out of first sometimes?
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10-02-2017, 06:32 PM	#10
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	I got home and my uncle volunteered to try and get it into 2nd. But when he put it into first the bike starts pulling you even with the clutch all the way in which it wasn't doing yesterday. I looked and the neutral light worked for a couple of minutes then stopped working and the bike continued to try to pull away in 1st and then as soon as you'd give it gas it would sputter out and die. When I bought the bike, someone had taken the exhaust off completely and I just recently put a new one on. Could that be the problem?
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10-02-2017, 07:38 PM	#11
JeremyC Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Southern IL Posts: 132	That screams out clutch adjustment, but I'm also concerned with it not going into 2nd, because you CAN shift without the clutch (I'm not saying it's a good idea LOL). Perhaps you have a bad shift pawl, or drum. Tinker with it some more and let us know!
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10-02-2017, 07:45 PM	#12
Andizzle Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Lubbock Texas Posts: 31	This is weird I was riding it and from a standstill if I put it in 1st it grinds really bad and won't let me but if I start in 2nd it takes off just like if I was in 1st. But then I'll be slowing down and have to put it into first to keep it from stalling the only thing is that it won't go past 2nd now. Does that make sense?
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10-02-2017, 10:24 PM	#15
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	1st thing I notice is that the shift lever is hitting the housing. Remove the lever and rotate it counter clockwise 1 groove on the spline. It's not shifting all the way to 2nd gear. The shift lever is bent in to far and really should clear the housing. __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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