what is this GY200? - Page 6

rjmorel · 02-06-2018, 01:57 PM

I do have several 110 v wire feed welders but wouldn't claim to be a welder. My welds look more like a seagull dodooed on it to stick it together therefore "a grinder and paint makes me the welder I ain't" applies. I'm looking on Ebay for proper bracket or a similar one that I can scoog together to get it to work, Rj

Weldangrind · 02-07-2018, 10:27 AM

Ask HB is he can point to the bracket for you.

rjmorel · 02-07-2018, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Ask HB is he can point to the bracket for you.

Is he a member on here? Not familiar with him. where do I get ahold of him? Thanks, rj

Azhule · 02-07-2018, 12:54 PM

"HB" aka humanbeing

http://chinariders.net/member.php?u=24825

rjmorel · 02-07-2018, 02:02 PM

Ah thanks. AZ

rjmorel · 02-10-2018, 12:59 PM

Cutting the original bracket to work w new motor.
Waiting for spokes and additional bracket to proceed with swap.
New motor is same bolt pattern almost as old one except lowest bolt hole is farther apart and the clutch side motor bolt lugs are wider then old motor from center of engine cases. So splitting frame bracket will allow spacers to make up difference on clutch side. Then I need to add metal to get down to the bottom motor mounting bolt. Also cut out a significant portion to clear where the "baby bump" balancer shaft sticks out in front of motor.
Then the problem of no spark at S'Plug. How to diagnose that to get wiring straightened out? Everything else works electric wise just no fire in the hole. rj

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rjmorel · 02-10-2018, 05:06 PM

It's Alive! we figured out the wiring and got it to run now.
We basically saw that the original motor and the new motor had the same color wires but in different places in the plug in. So we took out all the wires from the new motor plug in and repositioned them like the old motor. What is confusing is that the matching plug that is on the bikes wiring harness doesn't match either engine as far as color to color ?????
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I took the clutch cover off the old motor to put it on new motor so we would have the tachometer drive that the new one doesn't have and found this piece loose on the shaft???? Nut was totally unscrewed. oil slinger thingy??? Could this of contributed to original motor failure at 375 miles? rj
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Angus67 · 02-10-2018, 06:53 PM

Most liely. I notice when i crank over with the starter, the oil in the sight glass disappears. Something to look for

rjmorel · 02-10-2018, 10:52 PM

Swaped the old motor oil pump with tach drive and old clutch cover installed on new motor and have a working tach now. Was more complicated then I thought . Had to press off gear from new motor pump and put it on the old oil pump shaft . New oil pump gear is smaller then on old one and wouldn't fit with driver gear on crank.
What is purpose of sligger thingy? Never seen one before.

Oil pump from old motor with tachometer drive gear
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Oil pump from new motor
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Megadan · 02-11-2018, 02:11 PM

That "Slinger thingy" is a centrifugal oil filter. That is what removes the finer metal particulates from the oil as the engine runs instead of a paper filter screen.

rjmorel · 02-11-2018, 11:12 PM

I was reading wolftrax Hawk build from last year where the slinger came loose as he started his trip to South America. Apparently you can run w/o the slinger as long as the nut is still good to hold gear on crank? What happens to oil route when slinger is left out. It looks like oil goes into slinger spins oil around to separate particles then oil goes thru spring loaded poppet valve to continue circulating thru motor. With slinger gone does oil just fall back into crankcase? Look 3/4 of the way down page to see pic and what happened to him.
What kind of glue do you use on air filter foam that is coming apart on glue seem?
http://chinariders.net/showthread.ph...linger&page=18

rjmorel · 02-12-2018, 03:27 PM

What kind of glue do you use on air filter foam that is coming apart on glue seem?
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Azhule · 02-12-2018, 04:50 PM

Haven't repaired a Foam Filter in a long time but years ago I used a product called E6000 the few times I needed to repair the filter to get me by until I got a new one ordered

https://www.menards.com/main/home-de...5157942&ipos=2

https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-...e&tag=pda0e-21

david3921 · 02-12-2018, 08:53 PM

Maybe use hot glue for a quick fix?

Weldangrind · 02-13-2018, 01:06 PM

Regarding the stator wiring, I know the pain that is colour change at a connector. It is so challenging to trace a wiring problem when the damn wire changes colour.

I'm amazed that the centrifugal oil filter came loose. Do you have the tool that is needed to remove and install the nut? Also, note that the three cover screws are not Philips, but JIS.

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rjmorel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warshington Posts: 928	I do have several 110 v wire feed welders but wouldn't claim to be a welder. My welds look more like a seagull dodooed on it to stick it together therefore "a grinder and paint makes me the welder I ain't" applies. I'm looking on Ebay for proper bracket or a similar one that I can scoog together to get it to work, Rj __________________ Live Zong, and Prosper
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02-07-2018, 10:27 AM	#77
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Ask HB is he can point to the bracket for you. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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02-07-2018, 12:54 PM	#79
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	"HB" aka humanbeing http://chinariders.net/member.php?u=24825 __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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02-07-2018, 02:02 PM	#80
rjmorel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warshington Posts: 928	Ah thanks. AZ __________________ Live Zong, and Prosper
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02-10-2018, 12:59 PM	#81
rjmorel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warshington Posts: 928	Cutting the original bracket to work w new motor. Waiting for spokes and additional bracket to proceed with swap. New motor is same bolt pattern almost as old one except lowest bolt hole is farther apart and the clutch side motor bolt lugs are wider then old motor from center of engine cases. So splitting frame bracket will allow spacers to make up difference on clutch side. Then I need to add metal to get down to the bottom motor mounting bolt. Also cut out a significant portion to clear where the "baby bump" balancer shaft sticks out in front of motor. Then the problem of no spark at S'Plug. How to diagnose that to get wiring straightened out? Everything else works electric wise just no fire in the hole. rj __________________ Live Zong, and Prosper
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02-10-2018, 05:06 PM	#82
rjmorel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warshington Posts: 928	It's Alive! we figured out the wiring and got it to run now. We basically saw that the original motor and the new motor had the same color wires but in different places in the plug in. So we took out all the wires from the new motor plug in and repositioned them like the old motor. What is confusing is that the matching plug that is on the bikes wiring harness doesn't match either engine as far as color to color ????? I took the clutch cover off the old motor to put it on new motor so we would have the tachometer drive that the new one doesn't have and found this piece loose on the shaft???? Nut was totally unscrewed. oil slinger thingy??? Could this of contributed to original motor failure at 375 miles? rj __________________ Live Zong, and Prosper
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02-10-2018, 06:53 PM	#83
Angus67 Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: shelton, Washington Posts: 167	Most liely. I notice when i crank over with the starter, the oil in the sight glass disappears. Something to look for __________________ 2006 roketa 200cc 1971 Yamaha xs650 2x 1980 xs650, 1 is a café, other is a chopper/brat 1972 Honda xl250 2x early 90's Honda rf600 parts bikes more mc junk laying around.
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02-10-2018, 10:52 PM	#84
rjmorel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warshington Posts: 928	Swaped the old motor oil pump with tach drive and old clutch cover installed on new motor and have a working tach now. Was more complicated then I thought . Had to press off gear from new motor pump and put it on the old oil pump shaft . New oil pump gear is smaller then on old one and wouldn't fit with driver gear on crank. What is purpose of sligger thingy? Never seen one before. Oil pump from old motor with tachometer drive gear Oil pump from new motor __________________ Live Zong, and Prosper
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02-11-2018, 02:11 PM	#85
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,907	That "Slinger thingy" is a centrifugal oil filter. That is what removes the finer metal particulates from the oil as the engine runs instead of a paper filter screen. __________________ 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2010 VFR1200F - http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20708
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02-11-2018, 11:12 PM	#86
rjmorel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warshington Posts: 928	I was reading wolftrax Hawk build from last year where the slinger came loose as he started his trip to South America. Apparently you can run w/o the slinger as long as the nut is still good to hold gear on crank? What happens to oil route when slinger is left out. It looks like oil goes into slinger spins oil around to separate particles then oil goes thru spring loaded poppet valve to continue circulating thru motor. With slinger gone does oil just fall back into crankcase? Look 3/4 of the way down page to see pic and what happened to him. What kind of glue do you use on air filter foam that is coming apart on glue seem? http://chinariders.net/showthread.ph...linger&page=18 __________________ Live Zong, and Prosper
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02-12-2018, 03:27 PM	#87
rjmorel Join Date: May 2007 Location: Warshington Posts: 928	What kind of glue do you use on air filter foam that is coming apart on glue seem? __________________ Live Zong, and Prosper
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02-12-2018, 04:50 PM	#88
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	Haven't repaired a Foam Filter in a long time but years ago I used a product called E6000 the few times I needed to repair the filter to get me by until I got a new one ordered https://www.menards.com/main/home-de...5157942&ipos=2 https://www.amazon.com/E6000-220011-...e&tag=pda0e-21 __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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02-12-2018, 08:53 PM	#89
david3921 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,028	Maybe use hot glue for a quick fix? __________________ 2012 Kawasaki Versys 1984 Honda Magna V65 2016 Rhino 250 2016 Tao Tao 125D
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02-13-2018, 01:06 PM	#90
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Regarding the stator wiring, I know the pain that is colour change at a connector. It is so challenging to trace a wiring problem when the damn wire changes colour. I'm amazed that the centrifugal oil filter came loose. Do you have the tool that is needed to remove and install the nut? Also, note that the three cover screws are not Philips, but JIS. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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