water cooled 250

[Oengus]

Here is a NX250 for sale, in Oregon.
http://motorcyclesforsale.internetra..._________.html

The engine is a water cooled 249cc DOHC four valve. 26hp 70 bore 64.8stroke.
That is what the Chinese water cooled 250 engine seems to be based on.

[FastDoc]

I love the NX's. They are more of Supermotos than Dualsports, but good bikes. They tend to hold their value pretty well.

[Oengus]

Evidently that is what that 250cc water-cooled Chinese engine is based on a Honda NX250. That makes me like it more, knowing that.

That’s the engine on the Pisterpro 250 and the Shineray 250.…


The Shineray Motard is for sale in the UK for about $4,000.00, they also are selling that 232cc street bike, which also seems to be fitted with that 250cc water cooled when sold by a Korean company called Daelim. Shineray makes the street bike for Daelim. That street bike is selling for $2,693 in the UK and the Daelim version with the water cooled engine is being sold in Australia and New Zealand as the VJF250. It comes with fuel injection and is selling for over $5,000.00.

Motard version with 250cc water cooled engine….25hp.

232cc version street bike has about 17hp

250cc water cooled version same as above.

http://www.recreationalvehicles.co.n...spx?ID=1069564

As far as I know the only version for sale in the USA is the Pisterpro. $2,800.00

http://www.pitsterpro.com/bike/specs/id/31

Here is a link to a B2B site listing the Pitster from its source.
Shou Pu
http://www.diytrade.com/china/4/prod...tard_bike.html
Notice that they have the power rating wrong....they have it at 15hp@6000rpm...just wrong.

[Oengus]

I think they make the Megelli look good…..but the F-UP in the USA was first calling the Megelli a QLINK then calling it a Bennche, the different version of bad marketing.

It should have been marketed like this…http://www.megelli.com/index.shtml
Exactly the same except 250cc engines.

Then even the people behind Megelli loose it when they link to Blata and the marketing quality takes a nose dive. http://www.blata.co.uk/

They decide to combine but then do it awkwardly….unprofessional kills the potential sales. Cheap and cheesy has an affect in this market, but it's not just that, professionalism and quality has to run through the entire process. It make people wonder what else are they not doing right? What else do they overlook?

[Oengus]

There are now powerful 250cc engines and also other engines that can be configured, but these people miss one thing. The market is limited in North America, it can be developed but with out collectivism it will not happen.

They can claim the market from the bottom up…but not independently. They lack not professionalism they lack resources and that is nothing more then the systems and the related economy of scale. If they had resources then they could flush out the unprofessional. They have to be better for less!

It calls for a large distributor and a common dealer network strategically placed in the best known markets. That’s geographical placement in population densities and then advertising. They can say we are not cheap we are inexpensive. But that means they have to really make products that are good quality and keep the prices low.

The separations will never allow this side to grow, to small and to little volume to get anywhere.

[humanbeing]

Yingang (cqyingang.com) also cloned that engine
In doesmtic Taiwanese market, CPI" SM250" is using that YG "AX-1" clone.
Review of Yingang bike using that engine: http://motorcycle.sh.cn/t_623667.htm

[Oengus]

I know….they would like to distribute that motorcycle in the USA and are attempting to…but nothing seems to be happening.

The company attempting this seems to be the same one that was attempting to distribute under the name of SUNL. That name has been retired since it is associated with a bankruptcy. It seems to be existing still in some respects as Yingang USA. http://www.yingangusa.com/

That naked version one of my personal favorites……that is utilizing that NX250 engine.









It is also is available with faring.



I think it is a cool bike.....but considering the options it would have to be priced right.


The Ninja 250 is $3,900.00
The Hyosung 250 is $3,500
The Meggeli 250 is $3,300

This bike would have to be priced below them...even then they would be difficult to sell here.

[Oengus]

Its interesting they are all competing on or with basically the same engine. Not the Kawasaki or Hyosung, but the Chinese water cooled 250 seem to be all that engine design. In that it would be wise to site specifications to adhering to the original Honda design, however without ever saying or using the Honda name. Because like Doc said that engine has low maintenance on its valves settings, actually I believe it was originally set or required checking only every 24,000 miles.

If those original specifications were adhered to within tight tolerances it then would have the same. But the different manufacturers make that suspect….who makes the best version of that engine?

[Oengus]

http://www.yingangmotor.com/yingang/Introduction.aspx

Chongqing Yingang Science & Technology (Group) Co. Ltd. located in Chongqing，southwest of China, the world largest and fastest developing city/municipality. We were founded 1990 and are a privately owned internationally middle size company with a balance sheet of over USD1.5 billion. We have some 3,500 people including over 300 R&D staff.

[FastDoc]

I think the Ninja is just too good a bike and too good a value for anybody to compete with unless it's prices stupid low, like $2000.

I had a new Ninja last year. Magnificent bike.

The last competition it had stateside, IMHO, was in the early 90's, IIRC, with the Honda 250 Interceptor.

[Oengus]

These bikes are keeping the Ninja's price low....that and the fact its cost to manufacture in Thailand are low and that it is being sold in force across the globe. Kawasaki management is very smart.

Being different attracts people.....some people.

[Oengus]

Here is a comparison of the Megelli and Ninja….


Infected link removed by moderator.

[FastDoc]

Rotten link.

400 popups and crashed my browser.

[Oengus]

I fixed the link it was copied material anyway, the new link is the source.

[Oengus]

Here is good shot of what the parallel twin in the Kawasaki looks like.