New Jersey Registration Issues: Possible Grey Market Bike.

jflo453 · 05-21-2008, 07:32 PM

Hey, I just bought a Chongqing Loncin Trailmaster 200. It is almost identical to the Lifan Enduro 200's that many people on this site have. I bought it for 750 dollars from a guy on craigslist. The bike had 20 miles on it and looked brand new. He gave me a bill of sale and a mco from the company he purchased it from, but had never gotten a title for the bike. I went to the dmv today to get a title for the bike, and they told me the bike was not on their list and thus I could not get it titled. I saw their list, and American Lifan along with Chongqing Loncin are on there, but apparantly my serial number did not match up properly. The woman claimed it was a dirt bike and not street legal, which is simply not true. I am going the New Jersey DMV headquarters tomorrow in Trenton to try my luck again. I think if they deny me again I may claim the bike is a custom/salvage bike and have it specially inspected. Does anyone have any ideas for what I can do to help get this title? Thanks.

AZ200cc · 05-21-2008, 07:47 PM

Are they going to inspect it, That should help clear it up once they see it.
And please post a pic..I have gotta see this bike

katoranger · 05-21-2008, 08:35 PM

Search for New Jersey. Others have gotton there bikes titled there.

Allen

theENIGMATIC · 05-21-2008, 10:24 PM

ask to speak to the manager or person in charge......here in CANADA I easily registered it but I went in with a title all my import docs and a safety inspection certificate, the clerk still took it all over to the boss and said we always have trouble with these bikes..they said just write out a declaration that I assure the bike meets all highway road requirements and has not been modified etc...
that was it, maybe ask if you can sign a form to declare the bike legal ...dunno man just some suggestions...if worse comes to worse you could just start crying and tell them you spent the rent money on a bike you cant drive......

thats what I would do!!

buterbn · 05-22-2008, 02:36 AM

Not sure what part of Jersey you are from, but the Oakland dmv didnt give me any problems for my Hi-Bird. If you are not too far, I'd stop by there because they seemed to understand these are legit.

jflo453 · 05-22-2008, 10:20 PM

I am pretty sure that I am in a lot of trouble. The issue is not that it is an import. You can get the list of approved manufacturers and the accepted vin codes from those manufacturers. The problem is that my manufacturer/vin is not on that list. American Lifan, Hi-bird, and all of the others are on there, but mine is not. Chongqing Loncin is the manufacturers name and apparently the only way I can get it titled is to get that name/vin on their list. So basically I am completely fucked. I can find almost nothing about this manufacturer on the internet and I can find nothing about the dealer that I bought it from. The dealer is Pacific Direct Sports LLC. If anyone knows anything about this, please help me out. If not, would anyone be able to send me scans of the MCO from one of their Lifans so I can see what my MCO needs to have to get titled. I might end up simply doctoring an MCO to get it titled. Has anyone tried this? I am pretty sure if you put the correct first 3 letters from the VIN the rest will not matter. Anyone with any ideas please help me out. thanks

liverchip · 05-22-2008, 11:53 PM

I'd be real careful with with the altering an MSO idea. Sounds a bit like fraud against a state agency(DMV). Might run into legal issues. In Ca, some have gotten around shakey registration issues uning a 'special construction' application. This is used when building a kit care or the like.

warrior91 · 05-23-2008, 01:29 AM

Call it a custom build and have it inspected for highway use.

jflo453 · 05-23-2008, 02:48 AM

how exactly could i go about that? anyone have any experience?

liverchip · 05-23-2008, 10:55 AM

Head down to the DMV and ask them.

maf119l · 05-23-2008, 01:53 PM

Don't doctor the mco.Putting the "right" first 3 letters will not work.there is a formula based on the combination of values for all the numbers and letters and either the 8th or 9th number is determined by this formula.Change even a single digit and you blow the whole thing.Then possible fines and time.china bike not worth that.

jflo453 · 05-23-2008, 05:26 PM

I may try to register it in new york state as I have joint residency. Does anyone have any experience with a gray bike in New York State?

katoranger · 05-23-2008, 05:51 PM

Give it try. NY was one of the tougher states too, but you never know.

Allen

jflo453 · 05-23-2008, 06:16 PM

If my New York State registration does not work out, is there anyone in any of the more lenient states who would be willing to "buy" this bike from me, title it in their state and then "sell" it back. I will pay $100 to anyone who can get me a title this way along with the costs of purchasing the title it's self.

VinceDrake · 05-23-2008, 11:49 PM

Just to echo Mr. Maf119l, It's the ninth digit. The eighth digit is the engine size/type denominator.

--Vince

05-21-2008, 07:32 PM	#1
jflo453 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	New Jersey Registration Issues: Possible Grey Market Bike. Hey, I just bought a Chongqing Loncin Trailmaster 200. It is almost identical to the Lifan Enduro 200's that many people on this site have. I bought it for 750 dollars from a guy on craigslist. The bike had 20 miles on it and looked brand new. He gave me a bill of sale and a mco from the company he purchased it from, but had never gotten a title for the bike. I went to the dmv today to get a title for the bike, and they told me the bike was not on their list and thus I could not get it titled. I saw their list, and American Lifan along with Chongqing Loncin are on there, but apparantly my serial number did not match up properly. The woman claimed it was a dirt bike and not street legal, which is simply not true. I am going the New Jersey DMV headquarters tomorrow in Trenton to try my luck again. I think if they deny me again I may claim the bike is a custom/salvage bike and have it specially inspected. Does anyone have any ideas for what I can do to help get this title? Thanks.
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05-21-2008, 07:47 PM	#2
AZ200cc Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Show Low Arizona Posts: 2,889	Are they going to inspect it, That should help clear it up once they see it. And please post a pic..I have gotta see this bike __________________ <br />2001 Suzuki DR200SE<br />1997 Suzuki RM250 YIKES<br />1995 Yamaha Breeze 125 daughters<br />1991 Honda XR80r Restored<br />maybe a 2003 Yamaha TTR90
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05-21-2008, 08:35 PM	#3
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Search for New Jersey. Others have gotton there bikes titled there. Allen __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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05-22-2008, 11:53 PM	#7
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	I'd be real careful with with the altering an MSO idea. Sounds a bit like fraud against a state agency(DMV). Might run into legal issues. In Ca, some have gotten around shakey registration issues uning a 'special construction' application. This is used when building a kit care or the like. __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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05-23-2008, 01:29 AM	#8
warrior91 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: N.E. Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 679	Call it a custom build and have it inspected for highway use. __________________ '91 Yamaha Warrior- stage 2 '83 Honda ATC 70 '08 Yongjiang 125cc mx (Loncin) '08 Yongjiang 150cc atv (Jinlong)
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05-21-2008, 10:24 PM	#4
theENIGMATIC Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 392	ask to speak to the manager or person in charge......here in CANADA I easily registered it but I went in with a title all my import docs and a safety inspection certificate, the clerk still took it all over to the boss and said we always have trouble with these bikes..they said just write out a declaration that I assure the bike meets all highway road requirements and has not been modified etc... that was it, maybe ask if you can sign a form to declare the bike legal ...dunno man just some suggestions...if worse comes to worse you could just start crying and tell them you spent the rent money on a bike you cant drive...... thats what I would do!!
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05-22-2008, 02:36 AM	#5
buterbn Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 27	Not sure what part of Jersey you are from, but the Oakland dmv didnt give me any problems for my Hi-Bird. If you are not too far, I'd stop by there because they seemed to understand these are legit.
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05-22-2008, 10:20 PM	#6
jflo453 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	I am pretty sure that I am in a lot of trouble. The issue is not that it is an import. You can get the list of approved manufacturers and the accepted vin codes from those manufacturers. The problem is that my manufacturer/vin is not on that list. American Lifan, Hi-bird, and all of the others are on there, but mine is not. Chongqing Loncin is the manufacturers name and apparently the only way I can get it titled is to get that name/vin on their list. So basically I am completely fucked. I can find almost nothing about this manufacturer on the internet and I can find nothing about the dealer that I bought it from. The dealer is Pacific Direct Sports LLC. If anyone knows anything about this, please help me out. If not, would anyone be able to send me scans of the MCO from one of their Lifans so I can see what my MCO needs to have to get titled. I might end up simply doctoring an MCO to get it titled. Has anyone tried this? I am pretty sure if you put the correct first 3 letters from the VIN the rest will not matter. Anyone with any ideas please help me out. thanks
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05-23-2008, 02:48 AM	#9
jflo453 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	how exactly could i go about that? anyone have any experience?
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05-23-2008, 10:55 AM	#10
liverchip Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Mystery Spot Posts: 1,223	Head down to the DMV and ask them. __________________ 2009 XR650L Big Red Pig Tusk bar risers 2007 X-Moto(Jetmoto) GY250 --mods--- 15/40 sprockets UNI Pod Filter 2007 Shineray TMS 200XYi--Betsy Betsy Mods:______________________ Acerbis DHH headlight FMF Powercore pipe Uni Pod Filter
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05-23-2008, 01:53 PM	#11
maf119l Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: perkinston,ms Posts: 296	Don't doctor the mco.Putting the "right" first 3 letters will not work.there is a formula based on the combination of values for all the numbers and letters and either the 8th or 9th number is determined by this formula.Change even a single digit and you blow the whole thing.Then possible fines and time.china bike not worth that. __________________ yamaha vstar 650,unknown chinese 4 wheeler,johnny pag 250 spyder,lifan gy-5
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05-23-2008, 05:26 PM	#12
jflo453 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	I may try to register it in new york state as I have joint residency. Does anyone have any experience with a gray bike in New York State?
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05-23-2008, 05:51 PM	#13
katoranger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Altamont, Kansas Posts: 15,103	Give it try. NY was one of the tougher states too, but you never know. Allen __________________ You meet the nicest people on a Honda Clone.
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05-23-2008, 06:16 PM	#14
jflo453 Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	If my New York State registration does not work out, is there anyone in any of the more lenient states who would be willing to "buy" this bike from me, title it in their state and then "sell" it back. I will pay $100 to anyone who can get me a title this way along with the costs of purchasing the title it's self.
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05-23-2008, 11:49 PM	#15
VinceDrake Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern Saskatchewan Posts: 491	Just to echo Mr. Maf119l, It's the ninth digit. The eighth digit is the engine size/type denominator. --Vince __________________ "Sometimes it is better to say nothing, and let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove it."
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