New Hawk, new adventures. - Page 10

OneLeggedRider · 06-25-2019, 10:47 AM

Texas Roadhouse makes the absolute best green beans with Sideliners bar and grill coming in at a close second. I've tried to mimic the recipe at home but they're just not the same.

So now that we've all agreed that you shouldn't lube offroad chains and a 520 is an absolute must have for the Hawk..

I think it's time we gave Dan hell for his frivolous spending and purchasing the adjustable preload caps. Why do we need to have adjustable preload if you're the only one riding said bike? And it doesn't seem like you do much trail riding so I'm not sure I see the purpose.

**JerryHawk250** · 06-25-2019, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider

I think it's time we gave Dan hell for his frivolous spending and purchasing the adjustable preload caps. Why do we need to have adjustable preload if you're the only one riding said bike? And it doesn't seem like you do much trail riding so I'm not sure I see the purpose.

The adjustable pre-load would be nice to have when you first set the bike up. Get it all fine tuned and leave it alone. Or if you eat too much you could always adjust it. lol

Azhule · 06-25-2019, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

Yeah, I see your point. But ARE THOSE GREEN BEANS? You paid $105.00 for a meal in a joint that serves green beans?

You do know Gordon Ramsay will serve you Green Beans... at his 5 Michelin Star restaurants... and you will easily pay well over $100 per person for those meals with salt and peppered green beans

Megadan · 06-25-2019, 11:38 AM

I can name several reasons to have them, and several not to have them.

Just like I can record myself on a non paved surface that I actually do frequent on a regular basis, or I cannot. It is all personal preference.

I am a well known spender of frivolity. Kind of a trait of mine.

OneLeggedRider · 06-25-2019, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Megadan

I can name several reasons to have them, and several not to have them.

Just like I can record myself on a non paved surface that I actually do frequent on a regular basis, or I cannot. It is all personal preference.

I am a well known spender of frivolity. Kind of a trait of mine.

Amen Dan, anytime I get a project I spend silly amounts of money, and when I can't do anything else to it I move on to the next, for example $2,500 in a Traxxas Stampede. I got it to go extremely fast and handle really well. But when I couldn't do anything else to it I moved on to an RC crawler.

And ofcourse you know I was trying to steer the thread away from green beans and budget spending and back to the infamous Hawk with a with a bit of humor and sarcasm.

And I personally would love to see some of your offroad adventures. I have a GoPro but I need a new laptop.

Megadan · 06-25-2019, 08:35 PM

Mosy of my unpaved adventures are just dirt lanes and some dual track out in the farm land near the river. Nothing too exciting really. I am not a hardcore off roader, which is why I tend to favor more street oriented setups. I prefer the big wheels of the Hawk though, because some of the ruts and obstacles out here can get pretty gnarly sometimes.

I may take a trip to the nearest ORV park if it isn't still underwater. I could always record myself fooling around out there lol.

Ariel Red Hunter · 06-26-2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Megadan

Mosy of my unpaved adventures are just dirt lanes and some dual track out in the farm land near the river. Nothing too exciting really. I am not a hardcore off roader, which is why I tend to favor more street oriented setups. I prefer the big wheels of the Hawk though, because some of the ruts and obstacles out here can get pretty gnarly sometimes.

I may take a trip to the nearest ORV park if it isn't still underwater. I could always record myself fooling around out there lol.

I think that the style of your off-roading is what most people do. This is why Triumph 500's were so popular back in the day. They did nothing really well, but they could do every bit of it...ARH

Megadan · 06-26-2019, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ariel Red Hunter

I think that the style of your off-roading is what most people do. This is why Triumph 500's were so popular back in the day. They did nothing really well, but they could do every bit of it...ARH

That is actually kind of how I view the Hawk, like an old T100 with maybe a bit more clearance and travel. Just a good all around utilitarian bike that can swiss army knife itself through most situations well enough, even if it isn't particularly the greatest at any one of them.

With motorcycles being more and more specialized, it is kind of nice to own something that is a bit more "jack of all trades" so I don't need to own 5 bikes. Now I own two, and they are complete opposites of one another. If I need to eat highway miles, go set my hair on fire, or go run a track day - VFR. If I want to go put around town, go visit some family out in the "boonies", explore anywhere that isn't paved, etc. The Hawk works rather well, and I can ride it without really having to monitor my speed every few seconds to make sure I am not over the speed limit at felony levels without realizing it.

Megadan · 06-27-2019, 04:01 PM

A PE30 and a ported head are a match made in heaven. Not only do I climb all the way to 75mph with amazing ease, but it can hold speed up most of the hills on the highway I take to work. I wont be able to beat my top speed record since I am limited by gearing, 75mph=8000rpm, but it gets there without me having to use the force to will it there. It just pulls and pulls.

I am going to resist the urge to gear it up, but I do want to make that 14 tooth front sprocket work for a trip I have planned (4.5 hours of highway) just to get the rpms down a bit more for that extended trip. Otherwise I think the gearing/tire size/mods are in perfect balance.

**JerryHawk250** · 06-27-2019, 04:26 PM

Sweet! Still haven't ordered my 122 yet. Yeah that 14 tooth would put you the same as my 17/40. That will drop the rpms just about right for 65-70 mph. You still using the 35 pilot?

Megadan · 06-27-2019, 06:25 PM

Yep, still rocking the 35 pilot. I think the slight unsteady idle is just a part of the carb, intake and head porting.

The 14 front with a 33 rear on my rear tire diameter would be closer to your bike having a 42 rear sprocket. The shinko 700 4.6 x 18 is closer in diameter to a 120/80 18 tire, which is a bit shorter in diameter than a 110/100 18.

Megadan · 07-19-2019, 11:46 PM

So. it took way longer than I expected but I crested the 1k mile mark (actually at 1100). I attribute this to the hot weather and owning a car with air conditioning making me lazier than usual and driving to work most of the time - that and a fear of my bike being stolen again from my work makes me ride it less often.

In the process of what I like to call a "major service" where I take things apart, clean and grease, check spokes, adjust the valves. I managed to find a unicorn at a local hardware chain for the oil change - 15w-40 Rotella T6. The one downside to a vacuum based oil cooler setup is being able to flush the cooler easily. I have some leftover T4, so I think I will take the easy way out and drain as much oil oil as I can, fill it with T4, take it for a short ride, and then drain it again. Removing the oil cooler to drain it would be ideal, but that would be a ton of work.

I am thinking about rigging up some sort of block/contraption with a hose barb fitting on one end that leads to a tapped hole for the banjo bolt for future endeavors that I can hook up the line from a hand pump I have for gallon oil jugs.

In other news, the Brozz swing arm upgrade test fit should happen sometime tonight or tomorrow morning. From my measurements the shock mount hole is about 20mm higher than the original Hawk unit. I am curious to see how this translates to a change in ride height. I plan on measuring the change in shock length to maintain stock ride height.

Depending on what I find with this experimentation I may change to a different length shock. I have considered actually lowering the back of my bike a little bit. I never planned on raising it to begin with, and the result of which has angled the rear up enough that the seating position is a bit awkward on longer rides and contributes to back and shoulder pain. I have my eye on a couple of Fast Ace shocks, but they may be too short, so it will depend on what I find with my measuring.

Update to follow once I get a chance to goof around with it.

Megadan · 07-20-2019, 05:39 AM

Swing arm shenanigans.

I put most of the information about the fitment in the other thread about the Swing arm posted by PeaceSportsAtlanta found here: http://chinariders.net/showpost.php?...3&postcount=22

What I want to cover here is related to the shock and the effect on the length if the mount point on the swing arm is used.

What will need to be done comes down to two things.

The easiest/cheapest solution would be to drill a new pair of holes on the bracket to put the lower shock mount in the same relative location as the Hawk arm - roughly 20mm lower than the current holes. The good news is, there is a lot of bracket to work with for doing this, and the excess can easily be trimmed down.

The more expensive solution would be a shorter shock. Now, since I didn't feel like completely tearing down the bike to fully remove the rear shock, this is just guesstimation work, but should be fairly close. If you stick with a 320mm length shock you would be looking at at least a 2 inch increase in ride height in the rear. To achieve close to the stock Hawk ride height you would want about a 25mm shorter eye to eye length shock - aka 295mm.

Going back to my previous post concerning myself considering a Fast Ace shock, I have been eyeballing this guy: http://www.pccmotor.com/fastace-11qu...280661001.html

Preload, compression, and rebound adjustment with a 70mm stroke - compared to the 40mm of the other generic shocks of the same length.
I would have to trim a bit more away from the air box to clear the reservoir, and getting to the compression adjuster would be mildly annoying, plus the cost is a bit more than I would like to spend.

The other one I have been looking at is this guy. https://www.amazon.com/280mm-Fastace...gateway&sr=8-3

Slightly lighter spring rate, but also has the same 70mm stroke.

The second option is more tempting just for the simplicity and the cost. One nice benefit of the brozz mount bracket is that, if the 15mm shorter shock lowers it more than I desire, I do have some room to work with on changing the mount location to bring it back up a little bit if desired.

brianjmt · 07-20-2019, 03:27 PM

Megadan, Man you are complicating things for me and I am about to start ordering parts probably next week. LOL Your best guess on one of those fast ace shocks for a brozz? I am not going to be doing jumps and really tough offroad but i plan on tearing up the twisties. I like the current brozz seat height dont really want to f that up because it is perfect for me or at least the one I sat on. Not much on here for brozz specific bikes and i was sorta under the assumption they were almost the same or close enough stuff would interchange. Glad I waited on ordering you dont know how close I have been to going all in on getting parts to start shipping for when I get the bike. But every visit here or allexipress is more $$$$. But in a good way.

OneLeggedRider · 07-20-2019, 10:52 PM

Now Dan just admit it, ever since you seen my bike lowered in the rear and raised in the front you've been coveting it.. and I wont hold it against you if ya wanna follow in my footsteps.

Great work on the swingarm, and I knew if anyone could make it work you would. It may be a future mod for me but I've got alot of work to do to catch up to your bike.

06-25-2019, 11:38 AM	#139
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,978	I can name several reasons to have them, and several not to have them. Just like I can record myself on a non paved surface that I actually do frequent on a regular basis, or I cannot. It is all personal preference. I am a well known spender of frivolity. Kind of a trait of mine. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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06-25-2019, 08:35 PM	#141
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,978	Mosy of my unpaved adventures are just dirt lanes and some dual track out in the farm land near the river. Nothing too exciting really. I am not a hardcore off roader, which is why I tend to favor more street oriented setups. I prefer the big wheels of the Hawk though, because some of the ruts and obstacles out here can get pretty gnarly sometimes. I may take a trip to the nearest ORV park if it isn't still underwater. I could always record myself fooling around out there lol. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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06-27-2019, 04:01 PM	#144
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,978	A PE30 and a ported head are a match made in heaven. Not only do I climb all the way to 75mph with amazing ease, but it can hold speed up most of the hills on the highway I take to work. I wont be able to beat my top speed record since I am limited by gearing, 75mph=8000rpm, but it gets there without me having to use the force to will it there. It just pulls and pulls. I am going to resist the urge to gear it up, but I do want to make that 14 tooth front sprocket work for a trip I have planned (4.5 hours of highway) just to get the rpms down a bit more for that extended trip. Otherwise I think the gearing/tire size/mods are in perfect balance. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124 Last edited by Megadan; 05-07-2020 at 05:16 AM.
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06-27-2019, 04:26 PM	#145
JerryHawk250 Moderator Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Houma, La. Posts: 11,552	Sweet! Still haven't ordered my 122 yet. Yeah that 14 tooth would put you the same as my 17/40. That will drop the rpms just about right for 65-70 mph. You still using the 35 pilot? __________________ 2023 Lifan Lycan 250 Chopper 2023 Venom Evader 2022 Lifan KPX250 2020 Kawasaki Vulcan S 2004 Honda ST 1300 2016 Black Hawk 250 (sold) Keihin PE30 carb,125 main,38 slow.Pod filter,ported & decked head 10:1 CR,Direct Ignition Coil,15/40Sprockets,NGK DPR8EIX-9,De-Cat,Dual Oil Cooler,Digital Cluster 2016 Cazador180 XL 2014 Coolster150 JerryHawk250.com My YouTube Channel
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06-27-2019, 06:25 PM	#146
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,978	Yep, still rocking the 35 pilot. I think the slight unsteady idle is just a part of the carb, intake and head porting. The 14 front with a 33 rear on my rear tire diameter would be closer to your bike having a 42 rear sprocket. The shinko 700 4.6 x 18 is closer in diameter to a 120/80 18 tire, which is a bit shorter in diameter than a 110/100 18. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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06-25-2019, 10:47 AM	#136
OneLeggedRider Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Stockport, Oh. Posts: 1,442	Texas Roadhouse makes the absolute best green beans with Sideliners bar and grill coming in at a close second. I've tried to mimic the recipe at home but they're just not the same. So now that we've all agreed that you shouldn't lube offroad chains and a 520 is an absolute must have for the Hawk.. I think it's time we gave Dan hell for his frivolous spending and purchasing the adjustable preload caps. Why do we need to have adjustable preload if you're the only one riding said bike? And it doesn't seem like you do much trail riding so I'm not sure I see the purpose.
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07-19-2019, 11:46 PM	#147
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,978	So. it took way longer than I expected but I crested the 1k mile mark (actually at 1100). I attribute this to the hot weather and owning a car with air conditioning making me lazier than usual and driving to work most of the time - that and a fear of my bike being stolen again from my work makes me ride it less often. In the process of what I like to call a "major service" where I take things apart, clean and grease, check spokes, adjust the valves. I managed to find a unicorn at a local hardware chain for the oil change - 15w-40 Rotella T6. The one downside to a vacuum based oil cooler setup is being able to flush the cooler easily. I have some leftover T4, so I think I will take the easy way out and drain as much oil oil as I can, fill it with T4, take it for a short ride, and then drain it again. Removing the oil cooler to drain it would be ideal, but that would be a ton of work. I am thinking about rigging up some sort of block/contraption with a hose barb fitting on one end that leads to a tapped hole for the banjo bolt for future endeavors that I can hook up the line from a hand pump I have for gallon oil jugs. In other news, the Brozz swing arm upgrade test fit should happen sometime tonight or tomorrow morning. From my measurements the shock mount hole is about 20mm higher than the original Hawk unit. I am curious to see how this translates to a change in ride height. I plan on measuring the change in shock length to maintain stock ride height. Depending on what I find with this experimentation I may change to a different length shock. I have considered actually lowering the back of my bike a little bit. I never planned on raising it to begin with, and the result of which has angled the rear up enough that the seating position is a bit awkward on longer rides and contributes to back and shoulder pain. I have my eye on a couple of Fast Ace shocks, but they may be too short, so it will depend on what I find with my measuring. Update to follow once I get a chance to goof around with it. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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07-20-2019, 05:39 AM	#148
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,978	Swing arm shenanigans. I put most of the information about the fitment in the other thread about the Swing arm posted by PeaceSportsAtlanta found here: http://chinariders.net/showpost.php?...3&postcount=22 What I want to cover here is related to the shock and the effect on the length if the mount point on the swing arm is used. What will need to be done comes down to two things. The easiest/cheapest solution would be to drill a new pair of holes on the bracket to put the lower shock mount in the same relative location as the Hawk arm - roughly 20mm lower than the current holes. The good news is, there is a lot of bracket to work with for doing this, and the excess can easily be trimmed down. The more expensive solution would be a shorter shock. Now, since I didn't feel like completely tearing down the bike to fully remove the rear shock, this is just guesstimation work, but should be fairly close. If you stick with a 320mm length shock you would be looking at at least a 2 inch increase in ride height in the rear. To achieve close to the stock Hawk ride height you would want about a 25mm shorter eye to eye length shock - aka 295mm. Going back to my previous post concerning myself considering a Fast Ace shock, I have been eyeballing this guy: http://www.pccmotor.com/fastace-11qu...280661001.html Preload, compression, and rebound adjustment with a 70mm stroke - compared to the 40mm of the other generic shocks of the same length. I would have to trim a bit more away from the air box to clear the reservoir, and getting to the compression adjuster would be mildly annoying, plus the cost is a bit more than I would like to spend. The other one I have been looking at is this guy. https://www.amazon.com/280mm-Fastace...gateway&sr=8-3 Slightly lighter spring rate, but also has the same 70mm stroke. The second option is more tempting just for the simplicity and the cost. One nice benefit of the brozz mount bracket is that, if the 15mm shorter shock lowers it more than I desire, I do have some room to work with on changing the mount location to bring it back up a little bit if desired. __________________ Hawk Information and Resource guide: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=20331 2018 Hawk 250 - Full Mod list here. http://www.chinariders.net/showpost....62&postcount=1 2024 Royal Enfield Shotgun 650 https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=34124
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07-20-2019, 03:27 PM	#149
brianjmt Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 43	Megadan, Man you are complicating things for me and I am about to start ordering parts probably next week. LOL Your best guess on one of those fast ace shocks for a brozz? I am not going to be doing jumps and really tough offroad but i plan on tearing up the twisties. I like the current brozz seat height dont really want to f that up because it is perfect for me or at least the one I sat on. Not much on here for brozz specific bikes and i was sorta under the assumption they were almost the same or close enough stuff would interchange. Glad I waited on ordering you dont know how close I have been to going all in on getting parts to start shipping for when I get the bike. But every visit here or allexipress is more $$$$. But in a good way.
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07-20-2019, 10:52 PM	#150
OneLeggedRider Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: Stockport, Oh. Posts: 1,442	Now Dan just admit it, ever since you seen my bike lowered in the rear and raised in the front you've been coveting it.. and I wont hold it against you if ya wanna follow in my footsteps. Great work on the swingarm, and I knew if anyone could make it work you would. It may be a future mod for me but I've got alot of work to do to catch up to your bike.
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