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fishman10 · 10-03-2011, 07:24 PM

I would love one ,pitster insider..but am still stinging with the pitster lxt400 you left me out to dry with ,,are they gonna stand behind this one and answer the phone this time if I have a problem????????? FISH

northerndad · 10-04-2011, 12:29 AM

Just saw this thread. Yes, I will be working with PP too in Canada. I have a Classic 125 which I just rode today and I love - very cute, making a lot of good first impressions.

The connection is that both Linhai and PP are distributed by Visionary Motorsports in Canada (http://visionarymotorsports.com/). As I mentioned I love these guys, they are young motor enthusiasts, and I've been getting along really well with the folks I've met there.

Justin, their dealer rep came by last week for a visit and I got to see some more of their product line. The Linhai SxSs sell super well in Canada, as well as the small PP bikes and the new Double X SxS under the PP brand.

I'm curious to know the story behind the PP 400 and others? I'll do a search on the forum as I don't want to Hijack this thread, but super curious.

So, to clarify: Pitster Pro in Canada is distributed by Visionary, who also distributes Linhai in Canada. They focus on products that are best in the canadian market - check the pitster canadian site to see what they carry in canada (the XTR 230SC is the biggest engine so far). Also as discussed elsewhere the model in Canada is the dealer model, instead of the direct-sales model popular in the USA.

MICRider · 10-04-2011, 09:02 PM

The PP400 turned out to be pretty much a total pile of sh*t. A few members bought them and had major problems with them. Pitster couldn't supply parts to them so they ended up having to find other sources for parts (such as a Honda side cover). From what I understand Pitsters customer support on the PP400's was also far less than stellar... I'm sure Fishman, Daddy, and FastDoc will chime in, they all had them.

mcrider · 10-04-2011, 10:24 PM

The 400 was never sold in Canada by Pitster Pro, although there have been some who have brought in that bike and sold it using the Pitster name. An example is: http://t4bmotorsports.com/index.php?...t01returnid=71
This bike has nothing to do with Pitster Pro, it's unfortunate they are using the name this way. I bring this up as possibly distributors selling this could help with parts?

SpudRider · 10-04-2011, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcrider

I'm on the inside with this new Pitster Pro 250, so thought I'd clarify a few things...

If I may ask, how are you connected with the Pitster Pro 250.

Spud

MICRider · 10-04-2011, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcrider

I'm on the inside with this new Pitster Pro 250, so thought I'd clarify a few things...

If I may ask, how are you connected with the Pitster Pro 250.

Spud

This isn't perhaps Michelle is it?

fishman10 · 10-05-2011, 05:58 AM

in a nutshell you are right,the pp400 had alot of issues and was a pc. of sh,,,,,, and IN MY OPINION...they knew it ,,,They blew them out at what seemed like a good deal and washed their hands ,When I tried to get a radiator hose for my new bike with 50 miles on it ,they wouldn't answew the phone or emails.I unloaded it at a couple hundred $$$ loss and the guy that bought it said the engine got noisy at 500 miles.Theres more to be said ,but I;ll let others talk...but unless their gonna give me a good deal on one a new one,, I won't be jumpin on the pitster band wagon.

BrianW · 10-05-2011, 09:47 AM

I certainly won't deal with Pitster Pro again. No answer to emails inquiring about purchasing a bike, no response to parts questions, no response to phone calls and messages left. The only time I received any sort of response from Pitster is after I wrote them a couple unfriendly emails pertaining to their poor customer service. Even in this instance, the response emails were brief and apathetic.

FastDoc · 10-05-2011, 01:24 PM

I was burned terribly on the PP400.

It was a fun bike with decent performance until it developed a loud rod knock at 1,500 miles.

ASAIK I had the highest mileage EVER on a PP400, at a lousy 1,500 miles!

Even befor the impending catastrophic engine failure it has cooling and radiator issues, electrical issues, cosmetic issues etc.

PP was of NO VALUE IN ANY WAY to get help supporting this bike.

I'd not give a six pack of piss for another PP400.

SpudRider · 10-05-2011, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FastDoc

...I'd not give a six pack of piss for another PP400.

Don't mince words, tell us what you really think, Doc!

Spud

SpudRider · 10-05-2011, 05:06 PM

The Pitster Pro LXT400 was manufactured by Xingyue. Several variations of this bike are still being sold by Xingyue Canada.

http://www.xingyuecanada.com/bike-xy400y2.php
http://www.xingyuecanada.com/bike-xy400gy.php
http://www.xingyuecanada.com/bike-xy400gy2.php

The engine in these motorcycles is a hybrid design, based on a Honda, NX250 bottom end, and a Rotox top end. Based upon the combined experience of our forum members, we must conclude the bottom end of this Xingyue engine is suspect. :( Forum member Mebigdave went through 2 gear boxes on his Xingyue 250 engine, which appears to have the same bottom end as the hybrid, Xingyue 400cc engines. :roll:

http://www.chinariders.com/modules.p...ewtopic&t=6422

To the best of my knowledge, no one anywhere has ever reported these engines to be reliable for even 5,000 miles. :( In stark contrast, I have now ridden my Zongshen 200GY-2 for 41,500 miles, and it has never run better.

Spud

Oengus · 10-18-2011, 10:19 PM

The bike in the picture is not a 250.â€¦but thatâ€™s not uncommon practice for sales people they do not see the difference so they think neither will you.

If it is the 250 out of Jinan Qingqi then it would be an actual 249cc single, same engine that is in the Suzuki TU250, which has an MSRP of $3,999.00

CCW has plans to sell those as well, but they dance around whether it will actually have the Suzuki engine or an OHV Lifan 229cc which is what they offer on all their other models. They set the MSRP for theirs at $3,100.00 I believe and their "Hooligun" may not even have the licensed Suzuki engine.

The actual 250 is a decent engine and offers 20% more horsepower over the 200cc that is pretty popular.
15.4 compared to 19hp or there about.

Pitster does not have the bike advertised on its web site, if it is showing it on face book then it may be just putting out feelers to gauge interest.

I would give a dealer $3,500.00 if they give me $1,500.00 trade in my 2008 200cc, neither is going to happen.

Your not likely to ever see the 250cc selling for under $3,000.00, not unless the distributor or dealer that has them is in bankruptcy.

I would recommend that they not call it an XTR250, because people that do not know any better will not be able to discern the differences as they come up with information from the internet, the predecessor which had the same XTR250 name, which is totally a different motorcycle. They may want to remove the meta tags from the page on the server that still has that product, it still is accessible on the internet even though it has no link off the companies website.

They are about $500.00 to high on the MSRP for that bikeâ€¦.I would negotiate at $3,000.00 and expect to get it out the door for under $2,900.00.

Your not going to ever see that 250cc selling for under $3,000.00, not unless the distributor or dealer that has them is in bankruptcy.

mcrider · 11-03-2011, 12:39 PM

Oengus: I'm a little confused by your post? You mention you'd "negotiate at 3k and expect to get it out the door for $2900" and then say "You're not going to ever see that 250 under $3,000"? Seems contradictory?

Also, I wanted to clarify if you are talking about US or CAD pricing? Pitster Pro, as with all OEM's, has different products and pricing in both countries, so just want to be sure the distinction is made.

The image being shown is on the Pitster Pro Canada facebook page and it is definitely of the 200, images of the production model 250 will be up as soon as available.

10-03-2011, 07:24 PM	#31
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	pitster I would love one ,pitster insider..but am still stinging with the pitster lxt400 you left me out to dry with ,,are they gonna stand behind this one and answer the phone this time if I have a problem????????? FISH __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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10-05-2011, 05:58 AM	#37
fishman10 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: central PA Posts: 770	pp400 in a nutshell you are right,the pp400 had alot of issues and was a pc. of sh,,,,,, and IN MY OPINION...they knew it ,,,They blew them out at what seemed like a good deal and washed their hands ,When I tried to get a radiator hose for my new bike with 50 miles on it ,they wouldn't answew the phone or emails.I unloaded it at a couple hundred $$$ loss and the guy that bought it said the engine got noisy at 500 miles.Theres more to be said ,but I;ll let others talk...but unless their gonna give me a good deal on one a new one,, I won't be jumpin on the pitster band wagon. __________________ 2015 zongshen rx3,,(Sold),,,2016 bashan storm,,2005 Harley ultra classic.
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10-05-2011, 01:24 PM	#39
FastDoc Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southeastern Washington desert Posts: 14,761	I was burned terribly on the PP400. It was a fun bike with decent performance until it developed a loud rod knock at 1,500 miles. ASAIK I had the highest mileage EVER on a PP400, at a lousy 1,500 miles! Even befor the impending catastrophic engine failure it has cooling and radiator issues, electrical issues, cosmetic issues etc. PP was of NO VALUE IN ANY WAY to get help supporting this bike. I'd not give a six pack of piss for another PP400. __________________ Happy to serve.
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10-05-2011, 05:06 PM	#41
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	The Pitster Pro LXT400 was manufactured by Xingyue. Several variations of this bike are still being sold by Xingyue Canada. http://www.xingyuecanada.com/bike-xy400y2.php http://www.xingyuecanada.com/bike-xy400gy.php http://www.xingyuecanada.com/bike-xy400gy2.php The engine in these motorcycles is a hybrid design, based on a Honda, NX250 bottom end, and a Rotox top end. Based upon the combined experience of our forum members, we must conclude the bottom end of this Xingyue engine is suspect. :( Forum member Mebigdave went through 2 gear boxes on his Xingyue 250 engine, which appears to have the same bottom end as the hybrid, Xingyue 400cc engines. :roll: http://www.chinariders.com/modules.p...ewtopic&t=6422 To the best of my knowledge, no one anywhere has ever reported these engines to be reliable for even 5,000 miles. :( In stark contrast, I have now ridden my Zongshen 200GY-2 for 41,500 miles, and it has never run better. Spud __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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10-04-2011, 12:29 AM	#32
northerndad Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Hazelton, BC, Canada Posts: 109	Just saw this thread. Yes, I will be working with PP too in Canada. I have a Classic 125 which I just rode today and I love - very cute, making a lot of good first impressions. The connection is that both Linhai and PP are distributed by Visionary Motorsports in Canada (http://visionarymotorsports.com/). As I mentioned I love these guys, they are young motor enthusiasts, and I've been getting along really well with the folks I've met there. Justin, their dealer rep came by last week for a visit and I got to see some more of their product line. The Linhai SxSs sell super well in Canada, as well as the small PP bikes and the new Double X SxS under the PP brand. I'm curious to know the story behind the PP 400 and others? I'll do a search on the forum as I don't want to Hijack this thread, but super curious. So, to clarify: Pitster Pro in Canada is distributed by Visionary, who also distributes Linhai in Canada. They focus on products that are best in the canadian market - check the pitster canadian site to see what they carry in canada (the XTR 230SC is the biggest engine so far). Also as discussed elsewhere the model in Canada is the dealer model, instead of the direct-sales model popular in the USA.
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10-04-2011, 09:02 PM	#33
MICRider Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 3,274	The PP400 turned out to be pretty much a total pile of sh*t. A few members bought them and had major problems with them. Pitster couldn't supply parts to them so they ended up having to find other sources for parts (such as a Honda side cover). From what I understand Pitsters customer support on the PP400's was also far less than stellar... I'm sure Fishman, Daddy, and FastDoc will chime in, they all had them.
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10-04-2011, 10:24 PM	#34
mcrider Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3	The 400 was never sold in Canada by Pitster Pro, although there have been some who have brought in that bike and sold it using the Pitster name. An example is: http://t4bmotorsports.com/index.php?...t01returnid=71 This bike has nothing to do with Pitster Pro, it's unfortunate they are using the name this way. I bring this up as possibly distributors selling this could help with parts?
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10-05-2011, 09:47 AM	#38
BrianW Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Wheeling, WV native currently living In Natchitoches, LA Posts: 297	I certainly won't deal with Pitster Pro again. No answer to emails inquiring about purchasing a bike, no response to parts questions, no response to phone calls and messages left. The only time I received any sort of response from Pitster is after I wrote them a couple unfriendly emails pertaining to their poor customer service. Even in this instance, the response emails were brief and apathetic.
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10-18-2011, 10:19 PM	#42
Oengus Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 826	The bike in the picture is not a 250.â€¦but thatâ€™s not uncommon practice for sales people they do not see the difference so they think neither will you. If it is the 250 out of Jinan Qingqi then it would be an actual 249cc single, same engine that is in the Suzuki TU250, which has an MSRP of $3,999.00 CCW has plans to sell those as well, but they dance around whether it will actually have the Suzuki engine or an OHV Lifan 229cc which is what they offer on all their other models. They set the MSRP for theirs at $3,100.00 I believe and their "Hooligun" may not even have the licensed Suzuki engine. The actual 250 is a decent engine and offers 20% more horsepower over the 200cc that is pretty popular. 15.4 compared to 19hp or there about. Pitster does not have the bike advertised on its web site, if it is showing it on face book then it may be just putting out feelers to gauge interest. I would give a dealer $3,500.00 if they give me $1,500.00 trade in my 2008 200cc, neither is going to happen. Your not likely to ever see the 250cc selling for under $3,000.00, not unless the distributor or dealer that has them is in bankruptcy. I would recommend that they not call it an XTR250, because people that do not know any better will not be able to discern the differences as they come up with information from the internet, the predecessor which had the same XTR250 name, which is totally a different motorcycle. They may want to remove the meta tags from the page on the server that still has that product, it still is accessible on the internet even though it has no link off the companies website. They are about $500.00 to high on the MSRP for that bikeâ€¦.I would negotiate at $3,000.00 and expect to get it out the door for under $2,900.00. Your not going to ever see that 250cc selling for under $3,000.00, not unless the distributor or dealer that has them is in bankruptcy.
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11-03-2011, 12:39 PM	#43
mcrider Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3	Oengus: I'm a little confused by your post? You mention you'd "negotiate at 3k and expect to get it out the door for $2900" and then say "You're not going to ever see that 250 under $3,000"? Seems contradictory? Also, I wanted to clarify if you are talking about US or CAD pricing? Pitster Pro, as with all OEM's, has different products and pricing in both countries, so just want to be sure the distinction is made. The image being shown is on the Pitster Pro Canada facebook page and it is definitely of the 200, images of the production model 250 will be up as soon as available.
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