the lifan tag i found under the starter (2015.8.17) says 167FMM. so does the stamp next to the oil filter strainer. how many cc is that, i thought it was a 229-230cc. is this correct?

That's only part of the story. The 67 refers to 67mm bore, but it doesn't tell you the stroke, therefore the final displacement is unknown. The second M in FMM means 250cc, but that's rounded up. There is no letter designation between 200cc and 250cc, so it's a crap shoot. If you decided to determine the stroke, we could do the math. It's likely to be 223cc.

Not concerned with cc, it is what it is thanks (223 I think your right)

So the nomenclature is a follows ?

1 - one cylinder?
67- bore of cylinder
F- ?
M- ?
M- 250cc class

F = natural air cooled
M = motorcycle engine
M = 250cc class

I trust Lifan to lable their engines properly but my Taotao ATV engine labeled 171FMM is actually a 163FML.

I have a Roketa that's way off the mark. I'd also trust Lifan to stamp properly, along with Zong.

Photos of the bikes at the show. Of course, no direct photo of the enduro, but from the partial look of it in the photo and a poster in the background of another photo, it appears that it will be the Lifan LF200GY-4
http://www.lifan.com/English/Mall/Mo...2-63fa57494425

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Ehhh, street stuff. 200gy looks nice (same old gripe, I won't mention). Kind of looks like the brozz wouldn't ya say bro.


Thanks for posting culc

It does seem like Lifan is kind of like Toyota cars or Honda cars--boring, 'street' stuff, LOL. Their Pony 100 was a breath of fresh air a couple years ago, but they discontinued it. The MiniKP 150 looks 'fun' in the class of vehicles I term 'GLV' (Grom-like vehicle) or 'GLB' (Grom-like bike), but it will have limited appeal to most of us. I think they have had plenty of time to make a big statement in the 200cc enduro class, like they did back in '07 with their GY-5. Heck, the GY-5 is STILL shown on their Chinese site, so they could/should have brought that one back!

Their KP200/KPR200 street bikes are uninspiring as far as looks go, but after researching them and seeing videos, they do have potential. Not sure why they cut it off at 200cc, but they are liquid-cooled and fuel-injected. I am not sure if there are enough of people like me out there (here in the US)--daily commuter, late 40's, don't care too much for looks, for this bike. The KPR200 I see in the same class of bike that Zongshen had when they introduced their kind of sporty street bike several years ago. So, there is potential for new riders, but since the Zongshen, we have had several actual sport bikes introduced with small engines, and more coming. All the negatives aside, from watching the videos, these bikes look stout, and not delicate, and seem to perform. If the price is right (which is the whole reason for the fan-club/cult of us Chinabikes enthusiasts), then they could have my business. I like the KP200 standard, including the one they show that seems to attempt to be a ADV bike (has crash bars and a little windshield and a rack-ish thing. Or the standard one without all the wannabe fluff. As long as I can throw a big case on the back and it can cruise at 60 with bursts to 65 (as the videos seem to indicate), and the price is in the mid to low $2k range, they have my (boring) interest, LOL

I 'expect' that I will like this

http://www.lifan.com/English/Mall/Mo...2-63fa57494425

American Lifan's site is up and running

http://americanlifan.com/

As 'expected' (I couldn't resist), we are 'expecting' (I kill myself :) ) the 'Expect 200' enduro as well as the Mini 150cc Grom-like vehicle and the two KP200 bikes, which are probably more exciting than they look and their 200cc engine would have us believe. They are both liquid-cooled and EFI and have a claimed 17 horsepower which will make them perfect for new riders or experienced riders who do not need to prove their manhood with massive engines. A nice cruiser in the form of what they have been selling for years now is the Royal 250. Hopefully the fit and finish are approaching 20+ year old Honda Rebels since that is what they will be competing with!

If American Lifan want to stand out from the crowd, I think they should sponsor and promote two racing series--one which feature their KP Mini 150, and another which uses their KPR 200.

Pretty uninspiring lineup. Electric scooters, with peddles? 150cc Gromish bike. 200cc sport bikes. Virago 250 clone. 200cc dual sport with small wheels. I don't see big sales in the near future.

It's just a start, but I agree with you. I do think the Grom-like-vehicle class is growing, but with the Vader, the SSR Razkull, the TMEC Denali 125fx, the Icebear Fuerza, and the Boom! electric mini, (maybe the same manufacturer as the Vader??), not to mention the Grom, itself, this class will be pretty competitive which will mean one good thing for consumers: price wars! The Lifan bike does have an advantage over all of the above in that they are utilizing a vertical 150cc engine vs. the Grom's, and the clones', 125cc horizontal engines.

I do believe that with all the news regarding the racing of the KPR bikes in China (I believe the 150cc version which we will not get since we are getting the 200cc),
http://www.lifan.cn/English/News/201.../11215956.html
and the KP Mini 150 breaking a lap time record, again in China, Lifan could differentiate themselves with some sort of racing series here.
http://www.lifan.cn/English/News/201.../03316007.html

Would it be worth it? Perhaps if they marketed it correctly. Or at least try the mini. Even some sort of riding experience during motorcycle race weekends; i.e. Long Beach Grand Prix in Long Beach where they would get lots of exposure using a large parking lot among the festivities. Something like this?
http://americanlifan.com/kpmini-track-day/

For some reason, they are banking on their 200cc bikes with EFI and liquid cooling as their flagships.

My guess is the economy of scale--their very promising flagship
http://www.lifan.cn/English/Mall/Mot...6-8fe213ebc47a
would have to priced too close to 'name brand' competitor's entry level bikes like the TU250 or the CB300. But I do question banking on 200cc bikes, even if they have a claimed 17 hp, in the US market?!

The latest EPA/DOT 'on-highway' motorcycle list for 2017 was updated this month, and the KP/KPR200 were on the list as being approved! I can hear the collective excitement for the 200's now...

All kidding aside, the bike shows it will hit about 75 mph on various foreign language videos I have found on youtube (124 kph on a Russian video where it races a Loncin 250 which achieved 119 kph), is liquid-cooled and has fuel-injection. Still seems boring as heck, but I would still use the non-fairing one (KP200) as my daily rider if they release it at $2k MSRP like I heard it is supposed to be. Or if my friend who knows the main man at American Lifan could convince him to loan me one for real-world data riding back and forth to work in the middle of summer... ;)