I'm with you. 23 is fine for what I do, but a little shy on the freeway.

Thats simple to do.. to richen or lean the mixture
you trick the CPU into thinking the air temp is hotter or colder
than it is... by useing a pentometer conected to the the air box
O2 sencer..I have one on my XT660..just turn a nob to richen or lean
out the mixture..

Theres lot of gizzmo out there to do it... powercommander is prob the
best known one..can be used with standard or custom fuel maps..
I have a Nitro X fuel commander for the XT that I have never put on..

I know what you mean, but it's not much fun riding a dual sport bike on the freeway, anyway. ;) Even in stock form, the bike should have enough guts for short, freeway sprints. :) However, I think Pete is correct; it won't be too difficult to squeeze a few more ponies out of this water cooled, fuel injected engine. :D

Spud :)

23hp 8) ....good engine life / fuel comsumption
but still enough power for tootling around the back countrey.

might look at one if they import them here..
seems to be less & less models each year imported.

There seems to be few little probs with it for a small ADV bike
fuel tanks to small..
don't seem to be any where solid to bolt a rear rack..
head lights to low to use a guard mounted tool bag ..

Prob getting a bit picky now... :oops:

I really enjoy watching this particular video at the Honda World website. :D

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/video/index.html

Spud :)

No, that's not picky. It can't be much of an adventure bike without storage (cargo or fuel).

Nice..
but this one's still the best...
Steve McQueen / CR250 Elsinore...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8nJvgSlSiM

Steve McQueen was a remarkably good rider. :) He could act, also. ;)

The CRF250L appears to be just about perfect for the riding I enjoy best here, in Idaho. I hope Honda keeps the price comparable to the CBR250R. :roll: If Honda decides to maximize profits on this bike, I will take a pass on it. ;)

Spud :)

pete, that was flat awesome! Thanks for the vid. Apparently, McQueen had a pimpin' boogie van. :lol:

X2! I enjoyed the video, Pete. :D

Spud :)

I'm getting old..

I can remember that playing in the picture thearters at
intervial about 1974..

I can't see the video mow but if we're talking Steve McQueen have you all seen, "On Any Sunday"?

I think most of Pete's commercial was borrowed from "On Any Sunday." ;)

Spud :)

The oil filler plug is easily accessible, as is the oil filter. The engine also has an oil sight glass. :)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/galle..._machine06.jpg

The foot pegs are wider than those of the XR250. :)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/comfo...e/img_size.gif

The stock skid plate certainly seems adequate. :)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/galle..._offroad05.jpg

If the MSRP is close to $4,000, this bike will be very hard to resist! :D

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/engin...mg_crf250l.jpg

Spud :)

The engine in the stock, Yamaha WR250R generates 28 horsepower. The engine in the stock, Honda CRF250L generates 23 horsepower. I would be surprised if one couldn't get a few more horsepower from the liquid cooled, fuel injected, Honda engine. ;) However, 23 ponies is enough power for the riding I like best here in Idaho.

Also, if the CRF250L is priced close to the CBR250R, it will have an MSRP of approximately $4,099 USD. The Yamaha WR250R has an MSRP of $6,590 USD. I will gladly forego the 5 extra horsepower if I can pocket the extra $2,500 USD. ;)

http://world.honda.com/CRF250L/galle..._offroad06.jpg

Spud :)

Wonder how big the clutch is.. As the houseing dosn't look
very big in Dia..
It would be great if a Rekluse full or semi auto clutch would fit..
http://rekluse.mybigcommerce.com/
http://youtu.be/WqU-ABaxICA

I don't know what size the clutch is; I couldn't find any specifications. ;) However, here's a parts diagram of the clutch assembly. :)

http://cdn.cheapcycleparts.com/image.../KYJ4E0800.png

Just in case anyone is wondering, the CRF250L has a six-speed transmission. :)

Spud :)

I am liking it. Maybe in 2022 I can afford a used one.

Well seeing as how the CRF230L is MSRP at $4999.00 I don't see 4K right away. but at the 5K mark I would still go red. I have run enough Yamaha's and their compromises for a lifetime. (not so much the current Wr but all the other Yams I have raced and ridden.)

The wide foot pegs, sight glass and six speed are all terrific features, but the stock skid plate isn't wide enough. I needs to shield a bit of the side covers and protect the oil filter and water pump housings. The stock skid plate is certainly better than what came on my XR, but the aftermarket will need to come to the rescue.

I actually came across that last night on Youtube for the first time. I haven't seen all of it yet.

The stock skid plate was the first thing I changed on my KLX. The aftermarket will step up to the plate I'm sure.

I see it has a steel frame like my KLX. I don't know why I assumed it was aluminum.

The MSRP for a 2012 KLX250 is $5,000.

NO WAY Honda will introduce a newer model with FI for less than that. The KLX is ALSO not made in Japan.

I'm betting on $5,999 gentlemen, sorry to say.

Yes, but the MSRP for the new CBR250R is currently $4,099, and the CRF250L shares the same engine. ;) Both bikes are manufactured in Thailand; hence the affordable price. Honda is finally trying to recapture some of the Third World market for small displacement motorcycles from the Chinese with these motorcycles. Therefore, I am hoping the MSRP of the CRF250L matches the price of the CBR250R. ;) However, I never underestimate the power of corporate greed, so only time will tell. :roll:

Spud :)

I'm glad to see a stock skid plate included with the bike. :) As I said, I think the stock skid plate is adequate; however, I agree, the stock skid plate is certainly less than ideal. ;) I agree with you completely; I would prefer better coverage for the bottom of the frame and the sides of the engine. ;) I also agree with FastDoc; the aftermarket will rush to provide a better skid plate. :D Nevertheless, an adequate skid plate, even less than ideal, is much better than no skid plate at all! :lol:

Spud :)

You may be right Spud.

I'll betcha Honda loses money at that price on the CBR's though and they choose to do that to introduce new riders to their brand. I just can't picture the CRF being a grand less than an older model (the 230 or the KLX250) without FI. I think it will be at least the same as the WR at around 6 grand.

I bought my new (leftover) KLX for less than $4,000 OTD IIRC. :P

JMHO.

Dual sport bikes always seem to cost much more that street bikes. :( The superior, dirt bike suspension probably contributes to the higher cost. ;) This bike is supposed to go on sale in Japan this month. I wonder if we can discover the Japanese MSRP for this bike? Then we will have a good clue as to how much this bike will cost relative to the CBR250R. :idea:

Spud :)

Here's the best price information I could find so far. :roll: This Indian website speculates the cost of the CRF250L will be 1.5 lakh rupees, if the bike is sold in India. This particular post was made on April 28, 2012.

http://www.drivespark.com/two-wheele...nch-india.html

One lakh rupee is equal to 100,000 rupees. Therefore, 1.5 lakh rupees is 150,000 rupees. At the current exchange rage, 150,000 rupees is equal to $2,859 USD. Of course, this price is too low. ;) However, the speculation in India seems to confirm they anticipate the bike will cost approximately the same as the CBR250R. I hope they are correct. :roll:

Can anyone find the Japanese MSRP for this bike? :?:

Spud :)

OK. I am not surprised, but I was indeed, too optimistic. :roll: Visiting the Honda Japan website, I discovered the MSRP of the CRF250L is 449,499 yen, including tax. The MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

http://translate.google.com/translat...honda.co.jp%2F

At the current exchange rate, 428,000 yen is equal to $5,335 USD. This would price the CRF250L approximately $1,000 USD less than the Yamaha WR250R, which seems appropriate. Compared to the competition, that's a good price. :) However, it's too rich for my blood. ;) I'll keep riding my Zong, and wait a few years to see if I can find a good price on a used CRF250L. ;)

Spud :)

"Got some rupees in my pocket goin' 'jing-a-ling-a-ling' Gonna call you on the telephone gonna give you a ring....(Georgia Satelites) :P

Well at 5K I would still be in the game. But As long as mom's house sells and I get the estate settled I will be able to pay off all my bills (not my house) and have some in the bank. if they have decent financing I would go for it.
Time will tell.

And Yes Spud you were optimistic. (not a bad thing) but no way the replacement model with more bling is going to be cheaper.

The Yamaha lists for $6,590.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/20.../05/index.html

No way can I see the Honda, which is about a 4 year newer design, also with fuel injection, selling for much less than that.

So 5 grand for the Kawasaki, 6,600 for the Yamaha, the LOWEST I see the Honda will be 6,000, and given the price of the Yamaha, maybe quite a bit higher than that.

I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.

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Im looking for a thumbs up smiley... :wink:

[quote="katoranger"]I am casually watching for another dualsport. I believe I can get permission to have it in Kansas.[/quote

I would sayDR but being a china bike forum ..better say
get a chinese bike..

I just checked the Honda Japan website for the price of the CBR250R, which shares the same engine with the CRF250L. ;) Honda Japan has the same price listed for the CBR250R as the CRF250L. The price for both is 449,499 yen, including tax; the MSRP minus tax is 428,000 yen.

My hope is the CRF250L will sell for the same price as the CRB250R in the United States, as well. ;) The MSRP for the 2012 CBR250R is $4,099.

http://powersports.honda.com/2012/cbr250r.aspx

Do you think Honda will charge more for the CRF250L than the CBR250R in the United States? Honda is charging the same price for both bikes in Japan. ;) Perhaps my optimism is not misplaced after all. :)

Spud :)

This website speculates the CRF250L will sell for a bit less than the CBR250R in India. ;)

http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/motorc...-launch-58773/

Nevertheless, I never underestimate the power of corporate greed. :roll:

Spud :)

The CBR is $7,500 here..
Looking though Honda NZ web site...
I noticed the XR125 is the only road
legal dirt bike Honda NZ import now..

Whatever price Honda charges for the CRF250L, it's obvious the CBR250R is a great deal at $4,099 USD. ;)

Spud :)