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Merlin 06-12-2019 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider (Post 311782)
Took the bike out yesterday for an afternoon of sightseeing and spent about 4 hours on it. Well the highway to one of my destinations was mostly long drawn out hills. I thought the carb was on point but I discovered it's still pulling slightly better at 3/4 to 7/8 throttle than what it is at wide open throttle! >:(

So when I got back to my area I did 2 speed runs on the flat straight stretch by the river. And sure enough, at WOT I got 63mph on the GPS and at 3/4 I got almost 66mph. And you can feel the bike pick up and gain power as you let off WOT. This is frustrating to say the least.

Do I actually have to go smaller than a 110 main jet? I do have the other 2 circuits running really rich, so maybe the sum of all 3 is a little too much? And I really don't wanna change the other 2 circuits because it's starting and idling great and has never pulled this hard up to 3/4 throttle, and it's running cooler with no popping on deceleration.

I'm hoping Dan and Jerry will chime in and give me their $0.02.

Have you looked at your plug?

Weldangrind 06-12-2019 11:44 AM

Believe it or not, I'd go a tad richer without changing anything else. Try a 112. Your comment about the cooler, denser air is the key.

JerryHawk250 06-12-2019 11:48 AM

Here's my $5 worth. lol I would do as weldandgrind said and try a 112.

OneLeggedRider 06-12-2019 11:52 AM

I haven't done a plug reading since I raised the needle further so that's something I need to do first.

I suppose I'll order a 108 and a 112 just to see which works better. But when I ran the 115 it really fell on it's face at WOT, and switching to the 110 was a definite improvement.

JerryHawk250 06-12-2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider (Post 311790)
I haven't done a plug reading since I raised the needle further so that's something I need to do first.

I suppose I'll order a 108 and a 112 just to see which works better. But when I ran the 115 it really fell on it's face at WOT, and switching to the 110 was a definite improvement.

It's possible you need to drop to a 108. But you said it was cooler so that makes me think running leaner. Saturday I played with the jets on the PWK30 because its in the 90's now and I was tuned for the winter. I tried changing the pilot from the 39 to a 41 but was way to rich. I had a 125 main which is running rich now because of the heat. I only have a 115 and 120 main. I tried the 120 but too lean. I need to order a 122.5 and try that.

Megadan 06-12-2019 06:01 PM

With those 4 shims on the needle you actually altered the points at which the needle jet/main jet are contributing fuel. You are coming off the straight section much sooner, adding extra fuel in the lower throttle range, and coming on to the main jet sooner than 3/4 throttle.

I also third the suggestion, go down or up one and note the results. You might think I am some guru, but I still have to experiment with different combinations. I just know how a lean or rich mixture feels and sounds.

I will say this. This is WHY the Mikuni clones are so popular. I had my Mikuni dialed in within a couple of days of tinkering with it and it pulled hard through every throttle position. Like you, I fought and fought with my PZ30 to even get it remotely good. Hence my desire to change carburetors.

mybike 06-12-2019 08:59 PM

I had a jet drilled a little larger than a 120, would say maybe a 123 and now that the weather warmed up it would start bucking in 5th once the engine caught up to itself and was under little load. Started bucking at about 58 mph at about 7700 rpm.

I put the 120 main back and it improved but still was bucking at 62/63 mph at about 8200/8300 rpm. if I let up a little it would run great. I now put a 117 main but have not tested it on the highway. I'm sure a tad rich still on warmer days.

I will test this weekend on the highway and see. Bike did run great though on local roads and had it up to about 60 mph and felt great with 117 main.

I did try my fake Mikuni a while back with 27.5 and a 120 but something must be wrong with it because it does not run right, loads up and sputters etc. Think I got a bad one so just put the stock carb back because it starts with one kick. Also idles perfect and all throttle inputs are crisp and quick and pulls very strong down low and mid.

Again I have a modified Magician, pipe and pod filter stock gears and a 16 inch rear wheel. I'm at about sea level.

Megadan 06-12-2019 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mybike (Post 311834)
I did try my fake Mikuni a while back with 27.5 and a 120 but something must be wrong with it because it does not run right, loads up and sputters etc. Think I got a bad one so just put the stock carb back because it starts with one kick. Also idles perfect and all throttle inputs are crisp and quick and pulls very strong down low and mid.

I am about 1100ft above sea level, but I found the combination of 27.5 and 120 main to do the same thing on my last Hawk. Stepped down to a 115 and with the same 27.5 pilot and it was worlds better. A 120 is just too rich in warm weather.

OneLeggedRider 06-12-2019 11:13 PM

I'm about 800ft elevation, with the stock airbox mod and performance pipe. And mine's doing the same as Mybike with the 110 main. And the 110 performed really well in cooler weather and still does in the cool night air. So in my line of thinking a 108 is the answer. But I'm still gonna get a 105 and 112 as well because the main expense with JetsRUs is the shipping and more tunability never hurts.

OneLeggedRider 06-12-2019 11:33 PM

This is the latest fad and guys are claiming they work. Thinking about ordering one.

JerryHawk250 06-13-2019 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider (Post 311852)
I'm about 800ft elevation, with the stock airbox mod and performance pipe. And mine's doing the same as Mybike with the 110 main. And the 110 performed really well in cooler weather and still does in the cool night air. So in my line of thinking a 108 is the answer. But I'm still gonna get a 105 and 112 as well because the main expense with JetsRUs is the shipping and more tunability never hurts.

Those other jets will come in handy once you P&P and deck the head. And you know you will. :hehe:

OneLeggedRider 06-13-2019 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JerryHawk250 (Post 311877)
Those other jets will come in handy once you P&P and deck the head. And you know you will. :hehe:

Shhh.. I keep telling myself that's in the maybe category :lmao:

Right now I'm still licking my wounds from buying the TBR7, so I can't even order the jets until payday Saturday. But you're right, I should probably throw in a 117 and 120 as well.

On other fronts the boat motor parts will be here tomorrow. The coil tested bad, no continuity through the primary windings. The condenser was rusty and I could tell the points had been replaced recently. Got all 3 on Amazon for $28 and free shipping.

Megadan 06-13-2019 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by OneLeggedRider (Post 311854)
This is the latest fad and guys are claiming they work. Thinking about ordering one.

Not really the latest. A few of us tried them a while back and most of us either broke them or got rid of them.

I found mine to be wholly ineffective/inaccurate and impossible to tune. Then the teeny tiny tip on it broke off, making it useless.

who knows though, maybe they improved them.

OneLeggedRider 06-13-2019 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Megadan (Post 311890)
Not really the latest. A few of us tried them a while back and most of us either broke them or got rid of them.

I found mine to be wholly ineffective/inaccurate and impossible to tune. Then the teeny tiny tip on it broke off, making it useless.

who knows though, maybe they improved them.

Thanks for the heads up Dan. :thanks:

Weldangrind 06-13-2019 11:05 AM

I didn't even get a chance to try my fancy red pilot mixture screws; they arrived bent.

Tashka 06-13-2019 03:15 PM

I'm really wanting one of those titan cams. My bike is pretty peppy but it seems like it would be fun. And be faster than my friends hawk.. lol.

Just to do it. Maybe some chrome moly tubes. I'd prefer not to have to reseat the valves deeper, just because I have no idea how and would prefer not to pay someone.

dpl096 06-13-2019 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 311903)
I didn't even get a chance to try my fancy red pilot mixture screws; they arrived bent.

Completely unusable?

Weldangrind 06-14-2019 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dpl096 (Post 311954)
Completely unusable?

Probably. The tips were bent and I wasn't keen on the idea of straightening them. I could imagine them being weak from being bent back and forth and then breaking off inside the orifice. I chucked them in the trash.

dpl096 06-14-2019 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind (Post 311987)
Probably. The tips were bent and I wasn't keen on the idea of straightening them. I could imagine them being weak from being bent back and forth and then breaking off inside the orifice. I chucked them in the trash.

What's the turn around time you're expecting on replacements

Weldangrind 06-15-2019 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dpl096 (Post 312027)
What's the turn around time you're expecting on replacements

That was a long time ago. They were so cheap that I didn't bother reporting the shipping damage. They looked like junk to me, so I'd never use them.


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