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scbindisbihhh 03-25-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ExMxer (Post 374564)
Btw, what is the little lever above the clutch? Hot start? Choke?


Just noticed that. A rear hand-brake maybe?

TominMO 03-25-2022 03:06 PM

Zuumav might be the Powersportsmax of Russia, in which case Manny would be spelled MAHHI.

david3921 03-26-2022 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by scbindisbihhh (Post 374571)
Just noticed that. A rear hand-brake maybe?

Maybe a compression release for the kickstart?

Hey Nutcracker, please let us know what that lever does.

Nutcracker 03-26-2022 06:00 PM

The little lever is a choke. Its not automatic you hold it in release after a couple of seconds. Also used for opening the butterfly for faster starting if you lay it down. 21 miles of soft trails today. Lots of low end torque & power. It's a tall bike taller than my CRF 230 more power also. I'm using a mixture of rpms while breaking the engine in. Likes 40 mph on dirt roads probably will max out around 60. I love first gear lots of grunt. Very close ratios great for trail's.

Things I don't like.

Carbonator ( Manufacturer "You All" Japan. It's a PE30 no air screw and it's pressed unable to reset. That being said I have zero bogg great response and idle so maybe it's good. Time will tell.

Battery needs to go. It's heavy and connections will eventually break due to extreme angle it's installed in.

Skid plate is a joke. Great for playing a deadly game of frisbee..

Probably Chinese manufacturing but a some bolts holes needed chasing with a tap.

Helpful Tech info..

Takes 1 quart of oil. Valves we're adjusted at .0025 Intake and .003 exhaust.

Important because the Russian videos state you need to adjust valves regularly. Lots of oil changes the motor runs warm..

Nutcracker 03-26-2022 06:08 PM

Carbonator haha Carburetor I'm having to relearn English from all this China talk.. I should have added the suspension is great. It is made by KKE it has a full range of adjustment from compression, rebound adjustment, preload and the shock absorber adjustment. Each have 12 to 18 settings. I'm set in the middle on all settings will be fine tuning soon...

Huck369 03-28-2022 02:40 PM

I ordered one last Friday....hoping it will be as good of a bike as my old Yamaha XT250 was, it specs much better than the Yamaha, but also know quality may be a little lower. Expect it next week.....Still haven't told the wife......hope I'm not living in the Man-Cave when she finds out....:grr:

Nutcracker 03-30-2022 07:08 AM

Congrats on the new bike. Keep us posted when you receive. I'm really impressed with this bike. Approaching the 100 mile mark.. Save yourself some assembly time.. The air Filter on all the other models are accessible from the side. The Templars filter is under the battery. It did ship with some oil. This is my first China Bike..... Like the others are not really China made... haha..

Huck369 03-30-2022 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutcracker (Post 374891)
Congrats on the new bike. Keep us posted when you receive. I'm really impressed with this bike. Approaching the 100 mile mark.. Save yourself some assembly time.. The air Filter on all the other models are accessible from the side. The Templars filter is under the battery. It did ship with some oil. This is my first China Bike..... Like the others are not really China made... haha..

Thanks! I'll try to post pics when it arrives

Okierider 03-31-2022 09:52 PM

What’s the story on this motor? Really 249cc? Is it a Honda clone?

Nutcracker 04-01-2022 08:20 AM

Motor is a true 249.9 CC. Absolutely Honda inspired but not a direct clone. Appears there a 3 models for the engine. Possibly the bottom end is same and just top end bore & stroke increases from 66mm to 72 mm.. But I don't even think that's the case each model has some unique differences. ZS166FMM, ZS169FMM & ZS172FMM. This engine is the ZS172FMM3-A basically a non counterbalanced 5 speed. The newest GPX, RCB, FSE, Kayo etc has the ZS172FMM-5 (PR250). Its Zongshen made, counter balanced and has six gears. Other Forums specs say the newest engine has less vibrations, but also less power and torque. Power is about 1.5-2 hp less than traditional 172FMM. Joe Henner Motorsports has several post and upgrades that I'm researching. I would love to put a 4° flywheel key in this motor to see the actual difference..

Okierider 04-01-2022 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutcracker (Post 375023)
Motor is a true 249.9 CC. Absolutely Honda inspired but not a direct clone. Appears there a 3 models for the engine. Possibly the bottom end is same and just top end bore & stroke increases from 66mm to 72 mm.. But I don't even think that's the case each model has some unique differences. ZS166FMM, ZS169FMM & ZS172FMM. This engine is the ZS172FMM3-A basically a non counterbalanced 5 speed. The newest GPX, RCB, FSE, Kayo etc has the ZS172FMM-5 (PR250). Its Zongshen made, counter balanced and has six gears. Other Forums specs say the newest engine has less vibrations, but also less power and torque. Power is about 1.5-2 hp less than traditional 172FMM. Joe Henner Motorsports has several post and upgrades that I'm researching. I would love to put a 4° flywheel key in this motor to see the actual difference..

Forgive me, for I am a newb, but does this mean that repair/replacement parts will be harder to source, not being a clone of an already popular engine?

Edit: Ah, heck…ordered lol.
I liked the OHC setup on the Apollo, but there’s no replacement for displacement.

Nutcracker 04-01-2022 09:42 AM

Honestly I'm asking myself the same question. It appears the Engine is very popular Asia, UK etc. There's plenty of parts just where to purchase them. So my answer is yes sorta maybe.. So I took the plunge and ordered a complete engine replacement on eBay. Item# 115297311793

Might be overkill but I figure when anyone on several forums needs a replacement part I will just part out my engine on EBay and it allows me to dissect internals and test hypothesis for horsepower..

Powermaxsports gave me a $100 refund on popped tire and scuffed rim. So my total out the door for the bike and a complete backup engine is $2359.98.. Still happy..

scbindisbihhh 04-04-2022 03:57 PM

https://ibb.co/hK9mwBk

Can't wait.

ExMxer 04-04-2022 04:08 PM

I’m so damn tempted to jump at this, I’m just scared to death parts could be impossible to find. I don’t want a cool looking bike that’s outta service from a $50 part that’s a 10 month wait. I‘ve talked myself out of buying one twice in the last week…….

Okierider 04-04-2022 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scbindisbihhh (Post 375247)

You have me beat by 6 days, should be here on the 28th.
Which is fine, I won’t have much time until after Pascha.

scbindisbihhh 04-05-2022 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375266)
You have me beat by 6 days, should be here on the 28th.
Which is fine, I won’t have much time until after Pascha.

Oh hell yeah man, a lot of us are getting them, I'm very stoked for us all. Me getting this Is me finally getting my ass back on the road lol.

Okierider 04-05-2022 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ExMxer (Post 375249)
I’m so damn tempted to jump at this, I’m just scared to death parts could be impossible to find. I don’t want a cool looking bike that’s outta service from a $50 part that’s a 10 month wait. I‘ve talked myself out of buying one twice in the last week…….

I figure if you can buy a whole motor on eBay for $500 the parts won’t be that hard to come by

ExMxer 04-05-2022 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375282)
I figure if you can buy a whole motor on eBay for $500 the parts won’t be that hard to come by

Okie? I’m going to assume that’s based on your address…. I’m not too far from you, possibly you’d let me come take a look at your new toy when it arrives?

Okierider 04-05-2022 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ExMxer (Post 375285)
Okie? I’m going to assume that’s based on your address…. I’m not too far from you, possibly you’d let me come take a look at your new toy when it arrives?

I’m in west Oklahoma…we’re pretty far from everything out here

ExMxer 04-05-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375292)
I’m in west Oklahoma…we’re pretty far from everything out here

I spent a Fall break with a girlfriend while in college out there. She lived 30 miles west of Woodward, I was never so happy to get back home. I never thought I’d miss a green lawn as much as I did…..:lmao:

Okierider 04-05-2022 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ExMxer (Post 375295)
I spent a Fall break with a girlfriend while in college out there. She lived 30 miles west of Woodward, I was never so happy to get back home. I never thought I’d miss a green lawn as much as I did…..:lmao:

:lol:
Yeah, but to someone who grew up in places that shall not be named, Oklahoma is heavenly. When I was a kid we got 9 inches of rain a year, it’s less now, so coming to Oklahoma (outside of weatherford) and it’s 30+ inches per year is more water than I’ve ever seen lol.
I hear okies complain a lot but man, people here don’t know how good they have it!

scbindisbihhh 04-05-2022 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375318)
:lol:
Yeah, but to someone who grew up in places that shall not be named, Oklahoma is heavenly. When I was a kid we got 9 inches of rain a year, it’s less now, so coming to Oklahoma (outside of weatherford) and it’s 30+ inches per year is more water than I’ve ever seen lol.
I hear okies complain a lot but man, people here don’t know how good they have it!

Trade states with me.

Okierider 04-05-2022 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by scbindisbihhh (Post 375320)
Trade states with me.

That might be too much water lol

Okierider 04-07-2022 02:46 PM

So what would go into putting some different wheels on these? I don’t know anything about motorcycle wheel sizing.

ExMxer 04-07-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375416)
So what would go into putting some different wheels on these? I don’t know anything about motorcycle wheel sizing.

What type are you interested in? Motocross sizing, Supermoto? It already has off-road for trail use….

Okierider 04-07-2022 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ExMxer (Post 375419)
What type are you interested in? Motocross sizing, Supermoto? It already has off-road for trail use….

Supermoto. Do the different types use different sizing metrics?

ExMxer 04-07-2022 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375420)
Supermoto. Do the different types use different sizing metrics?

For the most part…..
MX/SX 21,19
Off-road 21,18
Supermoto 17 front and rear. Widths depend on what you can squeeze between the forks, and the swingarm. The wider, the better.
All this info is just to be used as a guideline, tons of combos can be had. Call up Dubya USA out in California, they build wheelsets for anything. However, remember, you could easily spend the price of your new bike again on custom wheels……..

scbindisbihhh 04-07-2022 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375420)
Supermoto. Do the different types use different sizing metrics?

I've decided that I'm going with just street tires on the existing rims, the cost of a set of Supermoto wheels and tires is nothing less than $600 and thats a little hefty on price for me tbh. Thinking of going with a 120/90 on the rear and a 110/90 on front.

Okierider 04-07-2022 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ExMxer (Post 375424)
For the most part…..
MX/SX 21,19
Off-road 21,18
Supermoto 17 front and rear. Widths depend on what you can squeeze between the forks, and the swingarm. The wider, the better.
All this info is just to be used as a guideline, tons of combos can be had. Call up Dubya USA out in California, they build wheelsets for anything. However, remember, you could easily spend the price of your new bike again on custom wheels……..

I told my wife tonight that it may just be money ahead to get a street bike.
She just laughed lol

So is there anything more to it? Standard sizes, fork or swing arm widths, axel diameters, etc?
I’m used to cars that have stuff like backspacing and bolt patterns and tire clearances, all of which are pretty well standardized: ie truck X can fit 38 inch tires without clearance issues on 17 inch wheel Y that has Z bolt pattern and 123 backspacing.
This just looks like an ornate bicycle wheel.

scbindisbihhh 04-09-2022 02:26 AM

Update on my order. I ordered mine Monday the 4th and I just got a notification earlier saying that the bike just shipped. However, when I looked at the tracking info provided by the carrier itself (R&L Carriers), it showed on there that instead of it shipping from California as what the lady from Moto Pro called and told me they do the day after I ordered it, it was picked up from Carrollton, Texas..? and is already in my state and to be scheduled delivery on the 12th, yet Amazon estimated delivery between the 18th-22nd lol... Definitely unexpected, but uh, hell yeah!!

Nutcracker 04-09-2022 10:49 PM

Excited for you. Man these China Bikes are addictive I want another one. My R&L driver was fantastic. My bikes box looked like it was dropped & flipped a few times.. I had the driver file a claim that only took maybe 10 mins plus I received a claim#. This paid off because I had a scuffed rim and near punctured tire scratches etc... I immediately contacted Max Pro and was given the option of replacement parts or refunds. Zero issues with this bike so far. Everyone who looks at it is impressed..

ExMxer 04-09-2022 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Okierider (Post 375447)
I told my wife tonight that it may just be money ahead to get a street bike.
She just laughed lol

So is there anything more to it? Standard sizes, fork or swing arm widths, axel diameters, etc?
I’m used to cars that have stuff like backspacing and bolt patterns and tire clearances, all of which are pretty well standardized: ie truck X can fit 38 inch tires without clearance issues on 17 inch wheel Y that has Z bolt pattern and 123 backspacing.
This just looks like an ornate bicycle wheel.

There is a ton to this. Talk to a pro who builds these things….. I’m not a wheel builder by any stretch. For starters, NOBODY on here has the bike, or specs from it, to be able to help you build a set of wheels. Secondly, finding a wheel builder that would actually build you wheels for a China bike can be a bitch. Most won’t touch one, simply because they don’t trust the hub metals. They are liable to the wheels if they lace you up a set, and they have no clue who actually produces the hubs, or rims themselves. These ain’t Kite hubs, nor DID rims we are dealing with……. You are dealing with wheels here…. Pretty important piece of the puzzle. Solid, safe, professional built wheels, your life relies upon.

scbindisbihhh 04-10-2022 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutcracker (Post 375572)
Excited for you. Man these China Bikes are addictive I want another one. My R&L driver was fantastic. My bikes box looked like it was dropped & flipped a few times.. I had the driver file a claim that only took maybe 10 mins plus I received a claim#. This paid off because I had a scuffed rim and near punctured tire scratches etc... I immediately contacted Max Pro and was given the option of replacement parts or refunds. Zero issues with this bike so far. Everyone who looks at it is impressed..

Loving the positive feedback on it, very reassuring for me as I will be dailying this machine for the time being, and for me to get back on my feet and on the road again. I'm definitely going to be posting pics and updates when I get mine here and running!

Okierider 04-10-2022 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by scbindisbihhh (Post 375529)
Update on my order. I ordered mine Monday the 4th and I just got a notification earlier saying that the bike just shipped. However, when I looked at the tracking info provided by the carrier itself (R&L Carriers), it showed on there that instead of it shipping from California as what the lady from Moto Pro called and told me they do the day after I ordered it, it was picked up from Carrollton, Texas..? and is already in my state and to be scheduled delivery on the 12th, yet Amazon estimated delivery between the 18th-22nd lol... Definitely unexpected, but uh, hell yeah!!

Same, it’s looking like it will be here Monday

Carlos420 04-10-2022 10:46 PM

Going be ordering mine soon hope everything is well

Nutcracker 04-10-2022 11:39 PM

Wondering if you will upgrade your carb. I'm unsure what model this carb is maybe a PZ30. Ive contemplated getting a Nibbi but really can't say I'm unsatisfied with how this factory carb preforms.. Will be good to have others opinions..

Here's something you might choose to do. The ZS172FMM3-A engine in the bike is not counter balanced. It's buzzy at 45 50 mph Not ridiculous but some harmonicas come to play at certain RPMs. Researching "YouTube" I came across Harley owners filling there handle bars with lead bird shot to reduce handlebar buzz and fatigue.. I installed some bark busters and decided to give the idea a try. A mixture of #5 & #7 bird shot probably close to 1 lb to fill the handle leaving maybe an inch of room so it's not completely full. Wow! What a difference it makes. Probably reduced vibration by 70%. I don't like the Xtra weight but I'm very happy with the results...

ExMxer 04-11-2022 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutcracker (Post 375623)
Wondering if you will upgrade your carb. I'm unsure what model this carb is maybe a PZ30. Ive contemplated getting a Nibbi but really can't say I'm unsatisfied with how this factory carb preforms.. Will be good to have others opinions..

Here's something you might choose to do. The ZS172FMM3-A engine in the bike is not counter balanced. It's buzzy at 45 50 mph Not ridiculous but some harmonicas come to play at certain RPMs. Researching "YouTube" I came across Harley owners filling there handle bars with lead bird shot to reduce handlebar buzz and fatigue.. I installed some bark busters and decided to give the idea a try. A mixture of #5 & #7 bird shot probably close to 1 lb to fill the handle leaving maybe an inch of room so it's not completely full. Wow! What a difference it makes. Probably reduced vibration by 70%. I don't like the Xtra weight but I'm very happy with the results...

Back in the racing days, the first generation Honda aluminum frames were bastards. You buzzed from vibrating so bad you’d swear your tooth fillings would fall out. Our fix was filling the twin spar frame tubes with expandable foam. Worked wonders, never heard of the buckshot idea though. Pretty clever

Huck369 04-11-2022 07:06 AM

Mine is scheduled to be here today....Hoping for no shipping damage.

Okierider 04-11-2022 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutcracker (Post 375623)
Wondering if you will upgrade your carb. I'm unsure what model this carb is maybe a PZ30. Ive contemplated getting a Nibbi but really can't say I'm unsatisfied with how this factory carb preforms.. Will be good to have others opinions..

Here's something you might choose to do. The ZS172FMM3-A engine in the bike is not counter balanced. It's buzzy at 45 50 mph Not ridiculous but some harmonicas come to play at certain RPMs. Researching "YouTube" I came across Harley owners filling there handle bars with lead bird shot to reduce handlebar buzz and fatigue.. I installed some bark busters and decided to give the idea a try. A mixture of #5 & #7 bird shot probably close to 1 lb to fill the handle leaving maybe an inch of room so it's not completely full. Wow! What a difference it makes. Probably reduced vibration by 70%. I don't like the Xtra weight but I'm very happy with the results...

I haven’t thought too much about the carb, but I am kicking around the idea of adding an oil cooler

Huck369 04-11-2022 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Nutcracker (Post 375623)
Wondering if you will upgrade your carb. I'm unsure what model this carb is maybe a PZ30. Ive contemplated getting a Nibbi but really can't say I'm unsatisfied with how this factory carb preforms.. Will be good to have others opinions..

Here's something you might choose to do. The ZS172FMM3-A engine in the bike is not counter balanced. It's buzzy at 45 50 mph Not ridiculous but some harmonicas come to play at certain RPMs. Researching "YouTube" I came across Harley owners filling there handle bars with lead bird shot to reduce handlebar buzz and fatigue.. I installed some bark busters and decided to give the idea a try. A mixture of #5 & #7 bird shot probably close to 1 lb to fill the handle leaving maybe an inch of room so it's not completely full. Wow! What a difference it makes. Probably reduced vibration by 70%. I don't like the Xtra weight but I'm very happy with the results...

Lots of Street bikes come with bar end weights, which can be added to any bike, they do the same thing, quell the vibrations....


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