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Adjuster 11-21-2015 09:22 PM

APSC is listing another China bike.
 
This one has been on the website for a couple weeks. I was hoping the info would be updated. Does anyone recognize this bike under a different name?


http://www.apscusa.com/New-2015-Blaz...le-_p_557.html



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TXDSRIDER 11-21-2015 10:15 PM

Maybe this one there was another pic of it from the front and it looked the same.

http://gokartsusa.com/Apollo-250-Dirt-Bike.aspx

Adjuster 11-21-2015 10:56 PM

Yeh man that looks exactly like the same bike. The Apollo off road only is very well known for being a nice bike. I wonder if this is the same bike but street legal.


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Adjuster 11-21-2015 11:06 PM

Holy crap its a good deal at that GoKart USA website. Less than $1,200.00 on sale and free shipping with a whole bunch of free gifts. Almost too good a deal to pass up.


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mgibsonaz 11-22-2015 10:41 AM

That looks exactly like my KPZ Z-200 did without turn signals. Mine is 10 years old and still running strong.

2LZ 11-22-2015 11:35 AM

Yep, another Hondoid....and a good deal. Looks like my old X-moto....but with a drum rear brake. The only way to tell who's the main manu on it is by the VIN....if you're lucky and also, you never really know how old these bikes may be until you purchase and they have to record the paperwork. I bought my "new" X-moto, almost four years old. They have a tendency to float from warehouse to warehouse by wholesalers before being sold.

The way it was explained to me by my CB guy here in Sac (and culcune may be able to straighten me out on this) is that the Chinese don't have "companies", like Honda, Kawasaki, Harley Davidson, etc...who produce their own individual and distinct motorcycles. The motorcycle factories are owned by the provinces there (think states here) and the provinces and the bosses (think Governors here) compete with each other to produce basically many of the same motorcycles, Hondoids for instance. He said that you can see the difference in quality more in the welding and detail work, from province to province, than you can anything else. Some build their own Hondoid motors while other factories procure their motors from other engine plants like Zong, Lifan, Loncin, etc.... Both Zongshen and Quingki(sp? - Q Link, SSR) seem to be the more stand-alone, sole source manufacturers in China....and also produce the highest quality, but more expensive products.

So, the age old China Bike question of "who builds this bike?"...may never have a solid answer, especially when dealing with a Hondoid. You may give up some quality on fit and finish, but the bikes are inexpensive, the motors are bullet proof, and parts can be bought anywhere online for pocket change.

Keep in mind, as bikes like Hawk, TMEC, CSC and other companies come into play, who are bringing a much higher standard of quality to fit and finish on these Hondoids, expect the prices to climb as well.

Adjuster 11-22-2015 01:01 PM

The pictures do show a rear drum brake but the bike description says disc front and rear.


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mgibsonaz 11-22-2015 03:04 PM

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My hondoid starts first kick and has been running like a champ for 10 years. Sadly most of the plastic and frame has vibrated off or failed in one way or another, lol. constant battle to McGyver things back on or look for replacements.
I did just find my old parts catalogue while cleaning out my garage. There help tremendously when trying to locate bolt sizes etc

jjn 11-22-2015 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TXDSRIDER (Post 198546)
Maybe this one there was another pic of it from the front and it looked the same.

http://gokartsusa.com/Apollo-250-Dirt-Bike.aspx

The info on this web page says it has inverted forks, but the photo shows conventional forks with gaitors. Typical misinformation on a Chinabike?

jjn 11-22-2015 03:17 PM

There is another thread here somewhere where a person talks about this bike. He called the seller and they gave him the part of the vin that shows the maker. I checked that three letter code and it shows it is a Bashan. If you go to APSC website, and find where they show a deal if you buy two, the do shoe some info. It appears to be a counter balanced engine by the fins on the front of the engine cases. I am looking at this bike due to the Hawk having problems getting licensed in some states.

culcune 11-22-2015 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mgibsonaz (Post 198634)
My hondoid starts first kick and has been running like a champ for 10 years. Sadly most of the plastic and frame has vibrated off or failed in one way or another, lol. constant battle to McGyver things back on or look for replacements.
I did just find my old parts catalogue while cleaning out my garage. There help tremendously when trying to locate bolt sizes etc

I wonder what happened to KPX's extensive parts stockpile? They were quite happy on their website to mention that they had lots of parts, showed photos, and I remember an old blog from a guy in Tucson documenting his ownership of a 150cc version over several months mentioned going to KPX's Tucson headquarters and seeing a whole slew of parts.

pistolclass 11-22-2015 10:22 PM

hey jin, i think you were referring to my post http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=15493

that wmi is nhtsa registered and that manufacture is dot approved. im going to follow up with my dmv contact with a sample vin to determine for sure that it can be registered in CT.

nevernuf 12-01-2015 11:41 PM

Plastics...
 
To mgibson....
If you follow the advice of weld and spud, you can get new plastics from taobao... Use the agent, from a website such as taobaotrends.com..
I'll help if I can, here is a link if you're interested....

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm...2-6075e78bdbfe

The SET runs about $35 USD, plus whatever the shipping comes to..

Just thinking you might be interested..

mgibsonaz 12-02-2015 11:28 AM

That would be awesome, thx for the tip. I will see if I can read more and learn to navigate the website to order these.

Weldangrind 12-02-2015 11:34 AM

Nevernuf, what key words did you search for?

nevernuf 12-03-2015 01:02 AM

keywords
 
Weld, I originally looked up 'CB250' due to the recommendations that you guys gave me. And then I just looked up 'GY', since that seems to be the 'family/type model/style', whatever... Remember, I have the QH250-gy...
The CB250 seems more oriented to the engine but the GY to the frame...

Once a few parts popped up, I clicked on one or two, and then all the 'suggestions' or 'related parts' pop up below..
Honestly, I think I just stumbled upon it, but I'd try 'GY' since it seems to give a lot for my bike by doing that, and his bike (on the manual) looks VERY similar..

Good luck and let me know what you're looking for, maybe I've seen it.. lol

AW1469@RPS 12-07-2015 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adjuster (Post 198540)
This one has been on the website for a couple weeks. I was hoping the info would be updated. Does anyone recognize this bike under a different name?


http://www.apscusa.com/New-2015-Blaz...le-_p_557.html



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its a Roketa and has been around for a long time, its my knowledge this is a 200cc not a 250cc.. I might be wrong on the motor size..

jjn 12-07-2015 01:11 PM

Don't know why, but they don't have much info on that web page. If you go to the page where they sell two of these at a nice discount, they have much more info:

http://www.apscusa.com/New-2015-Blaz...ACK_p_558.html

They say it's a 229cc, and it seems to have a counter balancer. Also, if you run the 3 letter designation for the vin, it comes out as being a Bashan.

bogieboy 12-07-2015 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nevernuf (Post 199403)
To mgibson....
If you follow the advice of weld and spud, you can get new plastics from taobao... Use the agent, from a website such as taobaotrends.com..
I'll help if I can, here is a link if you're interested....

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm...2-6075e78bdbfe

The SET runs about $35 USD, plus whatever the shipping comes to..

Just thinking you might be interested..

just a word to the wise- I purchased a full set of plastics for my roketa from taobao...$35 for the plastics and just over $100 in shipping....:crazy:

SpudRider 12-07-2015 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bogieboy (Post 199946)
just a word to the wise- I purchased a full set of plastics for my roketa from taobao...$35 for the plastics and just over $100 in shipping....:crazy:

I hate to say it, but you got ripped off for the shipping, BB. What Taobao agent did you employ?

bogieboy 12-07-2015 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SpudRider (Post 199951)
I hate to say it, but you got ripped off for the shipping, BB. What Taobao agent did you employ?

taobaotrends. the reasoning the agent gave for the shipping costs was due to the volumetric size of the box, they had to charge the equivalent of a 26kg package... the box was 2ft x 2ft x 3ft... not a cheap package to ship...

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The weight is 5.60KGS, but the volume weight is 26.10KGS, it is too big, we think EMS is better, the shipping fee by EMS is USD107.35=(240+75*11)*60%*0.168, we will charge back USD4.19=USD56.11-USD51.92, the final is USD111.54=USD107.35+USD4.19, if ok, pls send the payment to our paypal account sales@taobaobroker.com, we will ship them ASAP

bogieboy 12-07-2015 03:28 PM

i appologise.... i paid $50 for the shipping, and the total cost was just over $100... its been a while...LOL

SpudRider 12-07-2015 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bogieboy (Post 199965)
i appologise.... i paid $50 for the shipping, and the total cost was just over $100... its been a while...LOL

That's a much more reasonable shipping cost. ;) You had me concerned when you doubled the shipping for an additional $50. :lol:


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