2023 Venom EVader
 

So I figured I might as well start a Thread on the 2023 VENOM E-VADER. I got notification that the bike has been shipped out today. Venom emailed me a copy of the MCO so I can get the insurance in place to speed up getting the bike registered and tagged. A whole $13 a year. lol

MAKE: BAODIAO
MODEL: BD578Z
YEAR: 2023
VIN# L2BB58108PBxxxxxx
TYPE: MOTORCYCLE/MOPED

The tracking number has not updated on the Freight website yet so don't know the approximate delivery date yet. Here are the specifications.

E-VADER | E-X20 Specifications
Motor Power: 2000W
Type: Brushless
Voltage: 72V
Controller: 24Tubes
Charger: 72V20A
Charging time: 8-10H
Power supply: Battery
Start: Electrical (Push Button Start)
Top Speed: 35 MPH
Frame: High Strength Ironic
Front Suspension: Telescopic Fork
Rear Suspension: Unit Swing
Front Brakes: Disc (130 mm)
Rear Brakes: Disc (110 mm)
Front Tires: 120/70 -12
Rear Tires: 120/70 -12
Wheel: Aluminum
Weight Capacity: 250 Lbs
Net Weight: 315Lbs
Ground Clearance: 6.5 in
Length Assembled: 75 in
Width Assembled: 30 in
Height Assembled: 37 in

Dimensions Crated: 71 x 22 x 43 in
Seat Height: 31 in
Wheelbase: 57.2 in

I'll update the thread as it gets closer. I'm already eyeing up some upgrades like 72v 40ah Lithium batteries. Stay tuned,
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/07...g?v=1669059842

I checked tracking this morning and looks like a Monday delivery date. To be continued............

Update: Who said an electric bike can't travel long distances? It left Ontario, CA on Tuesday and is now in Kansas City, MO getting it's battery charged. :lmao: It is still scheduled to be in New Orleans on Monday. My guess I'll see it on Tuesday or Wednesday as they will have to put it on a Tailgate Lift truck for delivery. I already have it insured so i can get registered and tagged. It cost a whole $13 a year through Geico.

Update: Looks like it got delayed in Little Rock, AR over the weekend.

Status: In Transit
YOUR SHIPMENT IS AT LITTLE ROCK, AR AND IS LOADING TO NEW ORLEANS, LA.

Projected Delivery
Wed 05/10/2023

I got delayed in Little Rock once.:D

LOL. I'm not sure why they went with ABF freight this time. R&L has always been reliable and on time. Most important is i hope it arrives undamaged. R&L always took care of the other bikes they delivered.

All these delays are doing is making me spend more money. I've been binge watching E Vader upgrade videos. I was surprised that there are a few inexpensive mods that will give it more torque and increase speed by 15mph. :D

Subbed and patiently waiting for the full review. :D

I'm patiently waiting for my bike. Bike is still sitting in Little Rock and now the delivery date is Thursday. Not Impressed with ABF.

The bike has made it to New Orleans and has today as the delivery date. Possibly Bike day. :D

Looking forward to your thoughts on this one.

I'd like one myself, but the out of box 35mph top speed and limited range really irk me for the cost of it.

I'm cautiously curious if it really is 2000w as well. I highly doubt it, but possible I suppose, limited then by the controller.

I've done my homework on the motor. 1980w. It's a QSmotor which most guys upgrade to. The shunt mod will get it to 50+ mph. The stock controller which is rated for 50A and motor can handle more than the stock settings. Stock setup uses less than 30A. There are several guys that have done the mod and had no issues.

I'll also be looking into upgrading to 72v 40ah Lithium battery. Stock batteries are six 12v 20ah seal lead acid.

Well bummer. ABF is telling me they can't make residential tailgate delivery which is a bunch of BS. I let Venom know this and these said the same thing. BS. They paid for tailgate delivery and going to light a fire under there butt. Bike has already been delayed several days. ABF told me they could deliver on Friday if I could meet them somewhere like a truck stop or business. As of right now I have them schedule to deliver to my office. I'm sure Venom will raise enough hell they will find a way to deliver to my house.

Don't let Yammie Noob find out Venom has problems with their shipping companies! :lol:

:lmao: Just found out from Venom. It will be delivered to my house. :clap: That will teach them to mess around with my new bike. :p

Good to hear! Makes me feel better about possibly buying one. So many of the "imported" electric bikes of any sort fall well below their rated wattage. Or if they are what they say they are, the controllers severely limit what the motor will do.

Definitely the LiOn upgrade will go a long ways for this bike. Faster charging and better range.

I've already spoken to one of the guys with Venom about why not order these bikes with a 3000w motor and LiOn battery. That would make it a better bike right out the box. He said he will definitely see about getting them that way. That's one thing i like about Venom Motorsports, They do want feed back on how to improve there products. You can see most of those upgrade in the newer bikes like 6 speed transmissions, EFI and proper sprockets for better gear ratios.

Well it's new bike day. According to tracking it is out for delivery. I'm just waiting on that call for when they get close by so i can receive the bike. :yay:

So here's the deal with ABF Freight. Bike was just delivered to my office. No one called to let me know. There was a big hole punched through the side of the box. Drive left it with one of the guys in our shop and left. I haven't opened up the box yet to access the damage. Looks like the box with charger took a hit. Very poor service. I paid for home tailgate delivery that Venom requested but was not provided by ABF. I didn't receive a called like ABF told me they would. I even emailed ABF first thing this morning to notify me at least a half hour before delivering to make sure I was here to except it. I've already contacted Venom to let them know what happened. They were already unhappy when I told them they said they couldn't deliver to my house. This delivery screw up has nothing to do with Venom. Apparently AFB in our area isn't the best because our shop guy said he had the same issues with ABF too. Nowhere near the Service of R&L.

Jeez.

Bike day. I'll assemble it tomorrow morning.
https://youtu.be/m1KPmGy5718

Assembly video. Wasn't much to it. Bolt on handle bars and install mirrors.
https://youtu.be/fTsGfYYLC-0

That looks mighty interesting, but at $2000 and only 2000 watts, this thing is facing serious competition from electric bicycles. It comes with lead acid batteries? Yow. I think you're right, you need to get a lithium battery pack into that sucker, stat.


On the bright side, you can use the dumb batteries it came with to make yourself a quick and dirty battery spot welder...

I got the Bike registered and plated this afternoon in about 15 minutes. Now I need the rain to stop so I can go ride.

I think the new bike curse is over. Seems like every time I get a new bike it rains for days. lol I took her out for a short ride. Even with our crappy roads the bike rides fairly smooth. It doesn't feel like cheap ride on toy. lol It does have a good heavy feel to it and stays planted. Of course it only maxes out at 35 MPH. You can feel it has plenty of power but it's like it hit a speed limiter. Even up on the swingarm stand it still maxed out at the same speed so that proves it has a limiter. There must be some regulations or something that they have to limit the speed in order to be classified as a moped so you don't have to get a motorcycle license. Who knows? :shrug: I'll fix that though. lol The shunt mod should gain roughly 15 mph from what I've read and watch on You Tube. I'll try that out over the weekend. Speedometer is about 10 mph off. The older Evaders speedo has an adjustment so that you can calibrate it. I took mine apart last night but no adjustment. You can see were it was to be located. I've already found a programable speedo that will be an exact fit and replacement. Even though it is limited, It still was a blast riding around town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEjo1DyT0C0&t=151s

Just a little update. Between rain, music gigs on weekends and a recent battle with Covid I haven't had a chance to do much with the Evader. I finally did get to play around with the controller on Saturday morning. I had opened up the controller to do the shunt mode. Once i opened up the controller I noticed the mod was already done from the factory. I did add extra solder to the third shunt but didn't make any difference so all I could do is put it back together. While I had the controller out i got the manufacture and model number of the controller. With a little research i discovered that i can get a blue tooth adapter and controller app to make adjustments to the controller to get more power and speed. :yay: I got the adapter on order from Aliexpress as that was the only place i could fond one. As soon as i get the adapter I'll update on the progress.

Update! So I received my Bluetooth adapter a little over a week ago in hopes of being able to do some tunings and speedometer calibration. I spent countless hours trying to get the adapter to connect through the phone app with no luck. I messaging people on FB groups and You tube and the seller(Which Never Responded) and tried everything they told me but never was successful. When i pulled the side cover off to check connections, figuring that could of been an issue, i noticed that the adapter didn't even have the model number or manufactures name on it like it should. Typical counterfeit adapter that was nothing like the picture on the sellers page. I sent pictures and video to Aliexpress and was refunded my money within an hour. I order another adapter from QS Motors who is a reputable seller on Aliexpress. Hopefully this one works as should. Now another long wait for the slow boat from China.

It's been an while but finally have an update. This past month has been rough. I had to deal with the lost of my brother-in-law to Covid, My mom has been in and out of the hospital with a heart condition and the extreme heat has pretty much kept me indoors in the afternoons.

So as I mentioned previously the first adapter didn't work, turned out to be a counterfeit. Go figure, right? lol Aliexpress refunded my money immediately. I ordered a second adapter from a different vendor. It turned out to be a counterfeit too and didn't work. Another refund. I then ordered the adapter from Qsmotors who are the sellers of the motor and controller that come on this bike. It arrived in 7 days on FedEx from China. That's pretty quick. I hooked it up last night and work almost instantly. Even with my fan blowing on me full blast, i was soaking wet from the heat. Mind you it's dusk and temperature is still in the upper 90's with a heat index in the 110's. I'll play around with tuning early in the morning over the weekend. My main reason for getting the adapter was to calibrate the speedometer and get a little extra speed out of the Evader. I'm so glad i finally got one that works like it's supposed to. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mJI_CsnUdk&t=10

Subscribed! Thanks for the vids, Jerry. I was thinking hard about electrifying my Simple Single Cruiser by Giant, and then I found the Hawk 250. The idea still floats around my feeble mind from time to time, but I just have this feeling that electric is going nowhere. It's just a bad idea. Great for RC sized stuff, terrible for full sized. It's gonna go the way of solar is how it feels. Especially when you consider NO ONE is buying full sized electric vehicles...unless they mandate it, or you lose your job if you don't buy one like they did with the vaccine.

QSmotor has some motor/controller kits for projects like you thinking of. It's more of a fun project than anything. Electric is okay for a daily commuter in the city though. Not the greatest idea for the long haul. lol

Have you heard of compressed air engines? Very similar to combustion, but uses a blast of compressed air. Similar to an air gun pushing a pellet out of a barrel. I saw that tech like 10+ years ago. Talk about zero emissions and all around ease of access to compressed air. I'm sure it was patented and stored away in a safe somewhere by Ford.

Hey Jerry, glad you got one and I have been following your vids and such. I bought one of these eVaders back in early 2020 and have been running a Li-Ion pack and Sabvaton Controller for a few years.

Any chance of a link to where you got the good bluetoth module?

I need to upgrade to lithium Ion batteries. The bluetooth adapter only works with the YUYangKing Controller. Is the Sabvaton Controller capable of tuning?

Yes, the sabvaton has a bluetooth module, but I have the OEM King Controller sitting around. If that could be adjusted I would like to use it for other experiments (coleman style mini-bike frame that's laying around comes to mind)

Okay, :tup:
Here's a link to the Adapter. Don't waste your time buying from any of the other venders to save money. I ordered two and turned out to be counterfeit and didn't work. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/32568...yAdapt=glo2usa

I think you mean, "vaccine". LOL
https://giphy.com/gifs/mike-myers-JW...0rC/fullscreen

Even more boring video of some old guy on a Venom Evader. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMrJYHK7i6s

pics of Li-Ion battery in E-Vader
 

Found a couple pictures from when I had done the Li-Ion battery and tucked the OEM controller inside the fairings, seems like there is a lot of interest in the Li-ion and it was a massive upgrade over the AGM ones that came with it.