100 yr old electric car still runs!
 

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That's awesome! Simple, effective, reliable!

Sometimes I wonder if we have spent the last 100 years trying to perfect the un-perfectable...

(Course then, I'd be out a job, so don;t tell anyone, k?:))

--Vince

I also read some time ago that the car still has the original batteries too!

yes he still has the original battries in working conditionbut has installed modern battries and charging system

I wonder how much it weighs compared to a current modern day electric golf cart?

They are supposed to be building the VOLT near my house so I've heard I hope it works out.

As soon as the powers that be can find a way to profit ridiculously from the electric car the electric cars will become very popular(just a hunch).
So we all kow that right now they can make an electric car but the outrageous profit margin just must not be there yet.

The batteries also seem to be a problem as far as getting people to stop and use a charging station.No one will stop for much more than 20 minutes I figure to charge their car if need be.

They should give incentives for people to use electric cars like having a seperate meter at the house just for charging the car/s and at a much lower cost per kil-a-watt.

T/C "The batteries also seem to be a problem as far as getting people to stop and use a charging station.No one will stop for much more than 20 minutes I figure to charge their car if need be.

They should give incentives for people to use electric cars like having a seperate meter at the house just for charging the car/s and at a much lower cost per kil-a-watt.


Batteries are the key. If they don't catch fire, they can only be recharged so many times. Each charge reduces there max. charge they can hold. They are working on refillable batteries, so you add reactive chemicals, to increase overall life because, millions of cars means trillions of batteries, and what do we do with the waste.

IMHO. Most people need a commuter car. 12 miles to the city, and back. Groceries to home. They aren't going 90 MPH. Why do all these cars need highway crash safety standards and the ability to go 120Mph. What the main driving population needs (up here) is a warm 2 seater car that goes 50Mph maximum, but accellerates well from a green light, bulletproof little gas sipping motor, $6000 price tag. Rag top to make it cheaper. India is doing it already. But they can do it for $2500. I think they use a yamaha 750 motor, but don't quote me. It's super at the pump. Smaller parking lots, less emmissions, less consumption. There's a lot of good reasons to get it happening now, instead of waiting around waiting for the perfect battery, or cold fusion.

The worst thing that can happen is for the industry to start shoving sub-standard batteries into SUV frames. If the public gets burnt by electric cars once, chances are that they'll never accept the idea again. Just my opinion.

I'd run an electric car around town if it was feasible.
Right now they are to expensive and the battery costs are still way out there.My hope is that the volt will catch on and once the battery problem is solved they will yank the gas engine out of the volt and just have pure electric.
The VOLT car may work out (I hope so) we'll have to wait and see its kind of cool they are making it right here.
Our next prez needs to help with the battery development to get the ball rolling.IMO

I'm not willing to spend a small fortune to be a guinea pig though.

We have those SMART cars for sale near us and there is just no way I'd blunk down $11K-$14K for a car that small that only gets around 40mpg when I could get a number of bigger cars that will do that and then some and still look like real cars.
Maybe if the SMART cars were $6.5-8K and got close to 75mpg.

I'll be watching to see how this ends up once released price wise but it could very well be my wifes next car.(she's do for a new one)
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...p/GMvolt-1.jpg
I like how it is all electric DRIVE and uses the gas engine to generate electricity when needed.
Of course the final price will be the go/no-go for me and right now I'm reading $40k which is way out there.

I must agree with you there :)

The one thing that is bothering me is the car manufacturers are set on selling $20,000 to $40,000 of battery cost per vehicle. Yet I have read of several roll your own conversions running lead acid batteries being set up and running for $500 to $1,500.
The $500 dollar one was made mostly with parts salvaged from an electric forklift, the forklift also had leftover parts that were sold to lower the total cost of the project.
My point being, is the extra money for lithium ion batteries worth the added tens of thousands dollars of cost?
Then I can see each vehicle having its own unique battery so its dealer only or you have to special order one $$$$$$$
I just want a daily commuter that is dirt cheap to run and reliable!
If I want to go on a road trip it would be a gas powered rig for sure.

By the way Baker is still in business just not making cars.
Electric forklift :wink:
http://www.yodermachinery.com/picts/7542a.jpg

First I hope all those fancy gagets/gauges will work in -40 C + wind chill after sitting outside all night long...LCD screens work REALLY well when cold....Touch screen ...through frost layers?, How about the condensation after the heat kicks in droplets running down the touch screens ...oh yah you got electric heat elements for warm air???How will that reduce milage on the batt??? Overall fuel burnt per mile operating will go way up, last I checked it was easier to scavenge engine heat than create heat from scratch.
1.6 litre engine , just for electric production??? how come a 16- 20 horse Brigs & Scrap iron can run a 250 amp welding rig...way more power produced than any car could use...Never mind that 25HP could be produced from a 350cc 4 stroke ...must use 1.6L...How about 1Litre even, Snowmobile manufacturers are producing 1L 4strokes with 120 horsepower easily.

I hope they figure something out , but it has to be able to run from Mexico to the Arctic circle while running/operating the same.

Yep, but what I meant was that no one is starting small and cheap. I'd do a lead acid conversion before buying someone elses guinea pig too. But it would be very hard to get a home built car legal and on the road here. I don't care if it's electric or gas. #1 item is cost. Tube frame, cloth covering. No safety restraints, but helmet manditory, 50Mph max is all ok by me. $5000 to buy and $15 to fill up, 1/4 normal emmissions. It would need a good heater though. It's something that could be done tomorrow until the proper battery gets invented. It might start to change the image we have of what transportation aught to be.

In Arizona, we can get off-road buggies street-legal--this might make a good starting point, at least in mild-weather areas such as AZ. California frowns on several of Arizona's street-legal vehicles (police could confiscate an ATV or buggy even w/AZ street plates), but if they were electric, this might be an easier argument for Ahnold ...

I'm not good with actual dates and numbers, but it seems to me that most of the original manufacturers like diesel, ford, etc. were all against petro fuels, but in the end drilling for naturally formed hydro-carbons were the cheapest form of mobile energy. The US dept. of Energy website has some great links if you dig deep enough. The general consenses is that until oil gets to $200 dollars a barrel or $8.00 to $10.00 dollars a gallon of gas, then other forms of mobile energy are not economicaly feasible. I think it goes something like, Hybrids $5.00 per equal petro BTU's, Electric $8.00 equal BTU's (limited per cap), Biodiesel $7.00 equal BTU, Ethanol $6.50 equal BTU, Hydrogen $12.00 equal BTU.

I support alternative fuels big time, and have been heavily involved for several years, but in all honestly it's hard to beat the ole, drill, refine, seperate, and burn energy. It's kinda like the laws of physics, often challenged, but seldom changed. Until we find a mobile fuel that challenges current economics, or a economy that challenges current mobile fuel, nothing will change. Maybe it's the gloom of alcohol that's talking but sadly that's the way I see it even after sober for several days, hopefully someone will change my views, and while I'll never live in peace, like the charactor Forrest Gump said "one less thing".

We've had an electric car company in quebec for years. They had to export everything they made because they couldn't sell a car without highway crash standards here, even if it couldn't go on the highway. I think they finally got the ok to sell here last year.

culcune:
If it takes going electric to change the idea that we need a vehicle that weighs a ton, then I'm all for it. I'm all for small, cheap, environmental, and dependable. Like I said if my max speed is 50 Mph who cares if it's electric or gas. But if it is gas, then I'd be happy if 1,000,000 commuters all got 300% better gas milage next year here in Toronto. When the right battery comes along, we could all convert our little cars to run on electricity. A little change now equals a big change later. There would still be highway vehicles and trucks, I hear Freightliner is putting out an electric long haul hybred. I think the road laws might be a little more relaxed where you are.

JMHO. But I think it would take USA making a big change for Canada to start thinking along the same lines. I'm sure the new Freightliners won't have a problem here if the testing is done there. But, there's not to many small electric car companies that have the cash to do testing, and even if they had the bucks, chances are that the cars wouldn't meet the standards and we're back to $20,000 cars. But I ride a bike without a seat belt or air bags, and it costs $1200 and doesn't meet crash safety standards and it will do 100Mph. I don't see the logic. If I needed a special licence to buy and drive a $3000 car, and wear a helmet, I would. Taking transit in the winter sucks. I'm sure a lot of people here feel that way.

http://www.cbc.ca/national/blog/vide...k_stalled.html

American built electric tuck, imported sold and registered for use in Canada ....all the while Canadian gov't deny Canadian builders registration on their Canadian designed/built trucks....

Any indications of something like this in Arizona?
http://cohvco.org/?p=201

As far as the batteries go...I think there's a trade-off that must be made.

I'm sure vehicles can be built with current batteries, and cheaper, perhaps. But we know their life expectancy and performance is limited.

I think the only way to get the funds into the hands of the people who can extend that life expectancy and performance is to spend the money on the transitional technology.

In short, it has to start somewhere. Internal combustion engines have been refined over the years because they have been sold over the years. The newer batteries can and will improve as the money from their sales is reinvested into more R&D.

That's my opinion, anyways. Not that I'm willing (or able) to plop down a chunk of money for a new electric vehicle myself, but I do understand that it will cost a lot (from a major manufacturer) until it becomes more mainstream. I do think it will become more mainstream at some point, though.

I see the VOLT as a step in the right direction and I'd guess the 1.6l engine is there really to compensate for the lack of a good, lightweight, fast recharging battery.Atleast with the gas engine if you forget to charge it you can still just hop in it and go.

Its a start, perfect no, cheap no but a start.
I see it flopping terribly at a price $40K's though and I know there is no way I could afford that.

I guess after 10-15 years when all the well off people have bought one and the thrill of being seen in one is gone and the prices finally come down I'll be able to get one.

Its amazing to think that people will buy a hybrid or electric car with the thought of saving on gas costs but only to pay for the energy so to speak upfront but then realize that they still have to charge/replace those batteries.

I still think if the government wants people to really start buying these they should allow people to install a 240 amp service on its own meter and help with the cost of charging these vehicles.

Hmmm looks like another ultra spendy EV!

Link
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/image...ff0c31d7_o.jpg

I want an electric motorcycle!

***picks up soldering iron and and peers mischievously at Lifan.****

The best electric vehicles I've seen were home built. Lead acid car batteries. The ele motor was the expensive item, $250. They were certain that for the price that the motor was the best, but I can't recall the motor name. I will try to find it.

It's an etek motor. The bike is El chopper. Lots of info on it. It's what I was looking at before the chinabike. My problem would be getting it on the road legally. Not very likely in Ontario. :wink:

I am hoping to pick up a Ninja 250 with clear title soon. Made an offer on it. Blown Headgasket will make a good EV candidate. I just need a 60 mile range.

Allen

Look up el chopper Kato. They have made lots of mods to test things out so you won't have to. Free 60Mile trips sounds pretty good to me. It costs me about 7$. :?

Like this. http://www.21wheels.com/elninja.html

The ninja has a blown headgasket so it would be a good candidate. I just need to do it on the cheap though.

Allen

Check this out - http://forums.ninja250.org/viewtopic...405&highlight=

The thread hasn't been updated in a few weeks, but it should be worth keeping an eye on, or maybe contacting the OP if you have specific questions.


Good luck with it. Sounds like a wonderful project! :)

Oooohhhh :!: My fingers are twitching and my wallet's starting to burn.
26 miles round trip to work.......
I was thinking of doing an electric bicycle, this would be more fun :lol:

Now I've gotta figure out a way to do both that SWMBO will agree with :!: :twisted:

I went electric on all my RC planes. The nitro guys said it would be too expensive. After 2 seasons of not buying fuel, not fiddling with a carb to get it to run and not having to clean oily goo off your plane, they got the hint.
Plus, not buying the fuel covered the cost of the batteries and some change.

Bill

Missed out on the Ninja. Didn't get my cash there fast enough. That's okay though. There will be more.

It may be possible for me to recharge at work during the day. The would mean I only need a 30 mile range. (22 miles to work)

Allen

I did a lot of electrical R/C too Bill. Small, ultra small, very light electrics. Now all my R/c stuff sits since I now have a bike project. My last R/c build was a hover craft that worked great! I would trade all my R/c stuff for a NOS 1972 cb350 headlight rim. :lol:

An electric motorcycle is hugely different from a electric bicycle. I would much rather put a whizzer motor on a bicycle than try another electric bike. I could pedal at twice the speed of the electric bike I tried.

Hey, I can check a couple of the dealers here in Nashville, never know what is laying around on a shelf :wink:
I'll make a couple of calls later this week.

I'm leaning more toward a tadpole trike. 3 wheels on the ground, laid back on a lawn chair, never unclip, weird looking :twisted:
Put a Bionx motor on with the sensor that kicks in power as you need it.................You still pedal, but the hills go by easier.
At least from the guys who use them on the recumbent forums.
Bill

Hold on Bill!

If you are talking pedal assist with an electric hub wheel then yes you can do that easy. Yes hills are WAY easier to pedal. Your charge will last much longer. Here all electric bikes are governed to be slow, but a place in quebec Canada has Very strong hub motors, 24/48 V instead of 12V systems, and high amp voltage controlers. Pedal assist, and throttle twist systems. A trike incline bike is perfect to distribute the extra weight of even more batteries. Man I think it is Bionx. Best systems, MHO.

I don't like to pedal at all, but I could still pedal with the twist throttle too. Mine was NOT Bionics, not at all, it was far inferior.

As for my RC stuff its a 2 pico size servo kit, nothing flash, just small and light. Jr Quatro transmitter with trainer imput. Voltage controller, and 3 different batteries up to 9v. Some props and stuff. I made a few things that flew :lol: All home built. I highly doubt the stuff is worth a part for my bike. :lol:
The bike is starting to look nice. :D
http://www.chinariders.net/gallery2/...g2_itemId=9445
The picture is from last summer. It's gonna look better than that by spring, and hopefully run WAY better.

Here you go, for inspiration, I call it eIII, he calls it e moto, it's an electric lifan 200 III
http://www.electricmotion.org/

Aaawww :!:
I just wanted to be helpful. Local phone call, if they got it, get a price and let you know.
I fly 2 and 3 meter electric gliders and a Logo 10 heli right now.
Haven't had any small stuff for a couple of years. They were too twitchy (like the heli ain't :twisted: )

I had checked out your CB. Very nice bike. Probably the first street bike I lusted after (a senior at my school had one in '73 or '74, I was 13 or 14 then.)
I absolutely love the Bostons, too. Friend of mine in high school always kept a couple. Great dogs.
Later,
Bill