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05-21-2017, 10:52 PM | #1 |
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Heads up! Caution! Read This Post!
About a month ago (April 29, 2017), MotoCheez posted a video on YouTube about a fellow Hawk owner whose rear wheel came apart. Actually, the sprocket studs pulled out of the wheel and the bike was low miles.
I had the same thing happen to me today! I received my Hawk on 25 February, 2017, so it's the newer model with the black rims. It has never been abused. It has only 31 miles on it! I think the fastest I've had it up to was 40 mph! I've been riding it around my neighborhood to break it in gently. I have been checking all the bolts, spokes, fluid levels and tire pressure, before all 3 rides I've taken it on. Today, I rode around the neighborhood and then took a backroad, close to the Gulf of Mexico. The road is a little two lane, blacktop that runs through the marsh and has some sharp turns. I was going about 25-30mph, heading into a sharp right hand turn when I felt the back end bouncing around. If you could pick the worst possible time to have a rear tire lock up, that's on the top ten list! I managed to keep the bike up, but my ankle is killing me, and I had boots on! Luckily, the damage was limited to the rear wheel, the swing arm and the chain guard. I haven't checked the chain and sprockets yet, so they might need to be replaced too! Be safe out there!
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05-21-2017, 11:45 PM | #2 |
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Just out of curiosity, is the snap ring that holds the sprocket still in place? The studs are just part of the kush drive and are only pressed in. They have a flat spot that sits against the back of the sprocket to hold them in place so they dont come through the sprocket. So, either those failed or the big snap ring came off
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05-22-2017, 01:49 AM | #3 |
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Kinda makes a guy be very sure that they have a good, proper sized pair of snap ring pliers, they don't over-spring that snap ring and they make damn sure it's properly seated. That's on my inspection checklist before a ride.
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05-22-2017, 03:59 AM | #4 |
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That is why I was asking. I've seen a few videos now where people have removed the snap ring using screw drivers and not snap ring pliers. Or, even if snap ring pliers are used, they are most likely over extending the ring. In either case, the snap ring is either bent, or stretched, and will never seat properly. Not saying that there isn't a chance the snap rings are a low quality or in some way improperly set from the factory, but I sure would love to know what is going on to cause these failures.
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05-22-2017, 09:32 PM | #5 | |
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Glad to see you weren't injured...great safety tip......
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05-23-2017, 07:37 PM | #6 |
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Is it worth putting a dab of JB weld to hold it put?
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05-23-2017, 10:02 PM | #7 |
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I can only speak from my experiences....JB works great when it works...but when it fails its a real shitshow.
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05-22-2017, 07:11 AM | #8 |
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Our Brozz must be setup completely different then. We just have plain bolts that go threw the hub. (nut side out). I put red loctite on mine during my build.
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05-22-2017, 11:55 AM | #9 |
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The Day After
Hey JeremyC and Megadan - it looks like it was the clip that came off and the damage followed. I can't tell if it was a bad clip or if it was the mating surface on the hub. As for tools, I don't use cheap tools. I've busted enough knuckles over the years to even look at cheap tools!
When I rebuild my Hawk, I will shop around for a superior clip. I will check at Fastenal. They usually have good stuff. Along with that, I'm going to replace the spokes with higher quality and maybe go to aluminum rims. Does anyone know of a good source for clips, spokes and aluminum rims? Thanks and be safe out there!
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05-24-2017, 01:22 AM | #11 |
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Retaining compound or a thin safety wire through the eyelets of the ring would probably be sufficient. It's your bike, so do as you wish with it. Just keep in mind that those snap rings are spring steel, and high heat from a weld can weaken or even ruin that springy nature.
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05-24-2017, 01:24 PM | #14 |
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Good idea!
I think I'm going to use safety wire when I put my Hawk back together. My dad was an aviator in the Coast Guard. They safety wired everything in the helicopter.
Have a great day!
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05-24-2017, 01:58 PM | #15 |
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It also wouldn't be a bad idea to hit that snap ring with a little light oil from time to time so it doesn't corrode and swell. Being exposed like it is, where it is, will leave it more prone to moisture and grit. At the very least, hitting it with a good spray of WD40 when doing chain maintenance might be a good idea.
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