Magician

motorcyclelove · 08-19-2016, 10:24 AM

Has anybody ordered one of this yet?

Adam Rinkleff · 08-19-2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by motorcyclelove

Has anybody ordered one of this yet?

We've shipped a couple dozen. Main differences are lighter weight, easier assembly, slightly higher speed, slightly better fuel consumption, smaller rims, lower seat height, tires better suited for on-road.

simonjester · 08-19-2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Rinkleff

We've shipped a couple dozen. Main differences are lighter weight, easier assembly, slightly higher speed, slightly better fuel consumption, smaller rims, lower seat height, tires better suited for on-road.

So where can a guy buy one?

culcune · 08-19-2016, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by simonjester

So where can a guy buy one?

According to the other thread somewhere on chinariders, Adam mentions anywhere you can buy a Hawk. I would start with ASPCA (or whatever they are called)--seem to be THE place to buy a Hawk...

BlackBike · 08-19-2016, 11:24 PM

Bet you could convince manny to donate a bike to azhule in exchange for a good endorsement. Sounds like pay to play,

now where have I heard that recently.

simonjester · 08-20-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by culcune

According to the other thread somewhere on chinariders, Adam mentions anywhere you can buy a Hawk. I would start with ASPCA (or whatever they are called)--seem to be THE place to buy a Hawk...

I've looked at a couple of dealer websites and I don't see it listed. I'm hesitant to just call them up and say I want to buy a bike not listed on their website. I've read on these forums of people receiving different bikes than they ordered. Calling a dealer up and ordering a bike not even listed on their website seems tailor made to result in confusion and me maybe not getting the bike I wanted.

I'm considering buying one for my son, but I think I'll wait until the normal process is in place and I can order it off a dealer's website like a normal purchase. Of course, orders can still get messed up, but that seems less likely to.

culcune · 08-21-2016, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by simonjester

I've looked at a couple of dealer websites and I don't see it listed. I'm hesitant to just call them up and say I want to buy a bike not listed on their website. I've read on these forums of people receiving different bikes than they ordered. Calling a dealer up and ordering a bike not even listed on their website seems tailor made to result in confusion and me maybe not getting the bike I wanted.

I'm considering buying one for my son, but I think I'll wait until the normal process is in place and I can order it off a dealer's website like a normal purchase. Of course, orders can still get messed up, but that seems less likely to.

I hear you on the waiting until on the site part! My guess to start would be Q9 powersports, or whoever Adam Renkleff has on his signature line, would be a good place to try. Or, TXpowersports since they have them on their site and put out a promotional video, too, although Azhule had a very legitimate beef with them, so I am hesitant to point people that way without the disclaimer of potentially getting poor service.

motorcyclelove · 08-19-2016, 10:59 AM

Sounds good. I wonder what the top speed is stock?

Fame28 · 08-19-2016, 11:08 AM

I wouldn't expect anything more than 65 mph to max 70 mph down a mountain hill on the magician. These motors don't have excessive hp, but if you aren't using it for constant freeway riding then you should be ok. Most of my roads on the Hawk to travel to any trail or even to work are 55 mph and it goes 60-62 mph just fine (17/45 sprocket change). The Hawks are more for time spent in the trail and they say the new Magician is more for the pavement.

motorcyclelove · 08-19-2016, 11:42 AM

Ill be doing 95% of my riding pavement on mostly posted 55 roads. That's why I was wondering if the Magician would cruise comfortably at 60.

Adam Rinkleff · 08-19-2016, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by motorcyclelove

Ill be doing 95% of my riding pavement on mostly posted 55 roads. That's why I was wondering if the Magician would cruise comfortably at 60.

Our mechanic took it out on the interstate and said he was able to do 60, I'd say the Magician is about 5mph faster than the Hawk. I know people do some modifications on the Hawk to get its speed higher, so I'm sure the same can be done with the Magician.

Some people have been discussing the Magician in more detail at this thread: http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=17295

Azhule · 08-19-2016, 02:01 PM

60 indicated on the bike, or "60 verified with gps"? , that can be a 10 mph difference on some of these China bikes

All joking aside this looks like another good bike to have in my collection, so my main Q is:

How hard is the valve adjustments?

On our little Bashan 200 popping the valve cover off, spinning the engine to TDC, adjusting the valves and putting the valve cover back on torqued to spec takes all of 10 minutes... and I usually have to run after a hyperactive kiddo 6 of those minutes

it really takes no time at all.

So again, is there plenty of room to pop that valve cover off, or are we going to 'tilt' the engine every time we need to adjust them

culcune · 08-19-2016, 10:12 PM

There is a wonderful video of the Magician put out by your favorite dealer, Azhule

Keep in mind these have the same off-road certification as the Hawk, so make sure you can register it in Colorado. I agree it looks like a good bike and seemingly capable right out of the box, but make sure you can register it.

NM RETIRED GUY · 08-20-2016, 12:49 AM

I wonder if the odometer shows mph? Does it have a tach,fuel gauge? I'm interested in it but need more info before i can make a decision. On some sites the specs they show are from the Hawk not the Magician. I wish these online sellers would get their act together.

david3921 · 08-20-2016, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NM RETIRED GUY

I wonder if the odometer shows mph? Does it have a tach,fuel gauge? I'm interested in it but need more info before i can make a decision. On some sites the specs they show are from the Hawk not the Magician. I wish these online sellers would get their act together.

Check post #6 where Adam has a link. Most of your questions can be answered there.

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motorcyclelove Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tybee island, GA Posts: 182	Magician Has anybody ordered one of this yet?
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BlackBike Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: George West, Texas Posts: 4,097	Bet you could convince manny to donate a bike to azhule in exchange for a good endorsement. Sounds like pay to play, now where have I heard that recently. __________________ ***************************************** 2015 Bashan"Blaze" BS250GY-31 (DB-07K-250) GONE 2017 Suzuki V Strom 650 XT "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~Benjamin Franklin~
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08-19-2016, 02:01 PM	#12
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	60 indicated on the bike, or "60 verified with gps"? , that can be a 10 mph difference on some of these China bikes All joking aside this looks like another good bike to have in my collection, so my main Q is: How hard is the valve adjustments? On our little Bashan 200 popping the valve cover off, spinning the engine to TDC, adjusting the valves and putting the valve cover back on torqued to spec takes all of 10 minutes... and I usually have to run after a hyperactive kiddo 6 of those minutes it really takes no time at all. So again, is there plenty of room to pop that valve cover off, or are we going to 'tilt' the engine every time we need to adjust them __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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08-19-2016, 10:12 PM	#13
culcune Join Date: May 2006 Location: Yuma, Arizona Posts: 9,056	There is a wonderful video of the Magician put out by your favorite dealer, Azhule Keep in mind these have the same off-road certification as the Hawk, so make sure you can register it in Colorado. I agree it looks like a good bike and seemingly capable right out of the box, but make sure you can register it. __________________ "They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you got to ride it well..." TGB Delivery Scooter 150 TMEC 200 Enduro--carcass is sadly rotting in the backyard
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08-19-2016, 10:59 AM	#8
motorcyclelove Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tybee island, GA Posts: 182	Sounds good. I wonder what the top speed is stock?
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08-19-2016, 11:08 AM	#9
Fame28 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Kingston, NY Posts: 66	I wouldn't expect anything more than 65 mph to max 70 mph down a mountain hill on the magician. These motors don't have excessive hp, but if you aren't using it for constant freeway riding then you should be ok. Most of my roads on the Hawk to travel to any trail or even to work are 55 mph and it goes 60-62 mph just fine (17/45 sprocket change). The Hawks are more for time spent in the trail and they say the new Magician is more for the pavement.
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08-19-2016, 11:42 AM	#10
motorcyclelove Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tybee island, GA Posts: 182	Ill be doing 95% of my riding pavement on mostly posted 55 roads. That's why I was wondering if the Magician would cruise comfortably at 60.
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08-20-2016, 12:49 AM	#14
NM RETIRED GUY Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: SOUTHERN NM Posts: 33	I wonder if the odometer shows mph? Does it have a tach,fuel gauge? I'm interested in it but need more info before i can make a decision. On some sites the specs they show are from the Hawk not the Magician. I wish these online sellers would get their act together.
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