Hawk/Enforcer Fork Valve upgrade.

[Megadan]

I figured I would cover this in a separate thread in order to focus more on this particular mod/upgrade. This upgrade may well work with other bikes that have similar style forks, such as the Magician, but somebody would need to measure the inside diameter of the fork tubes for me to verify.

It is well known that these bikes are not known for their great suspensions. In an ideal world they would come with 43mm off-road oriented long travel forks, but then they wouldn't be the cheap fun we know and love.

The biggest weakness of these suspensions is two fold; 1. Dual rate fork springs with a very soft initial spring rate combined with very little fork preload. 2. Damping rod style forks.

The first one creates a condition where the bike has too much sag in the suspension relative to the total travel of the forks. Depending on your weight, you could easily be taking up more than half of the suspension travel available in the front forks, and this makes them very easy to bottom out. Thankfully, this problem is easily resolved by making your own preload spacers to set the proper rider sag. For the Hawk and Enforcer, this total laden sag (weight of the rider suspended on the bike while vertical) should be around 2-2.5 inches, and no greater than 3 inches.

The second problem can actually make the situation worse with the former. Damping rods just don't function in the correct way to properly dampen the suspension. For a more detailed explanation of why, I invite you to read this article: http://www.racetech.com/page/title/E...%20They%20Work

The simplified version of that is - Since damping rods rely on orifice holes to regulate the flow of oil alone, they have an inherent weakness. During low speed compression the holes flow a large volume of oil easily, and as a result can allow a large degree of travel with very little control - this is most easily evidenced with extreme nose dive under hard braking or coming down after cresting a hill that unloads the suspension. During high speed compression, like a sharp bump, the oil cannot flow through that same small hole fast enough to provide adequate compression, and as a result makes those high speed hits very hard. In the real world, these two situations should be reversed. More control on the low speed compression, while better compliance on high speed for comfort and control.

What Fork Valves or "Cartridge Emulators" do is exactly that, reverse those roles by taking the compression control away from the damping rod holes, and in turn giving it over to a valve - just like a cartridge.

I am happy to report that my experiment in installing the YSS PD238 fork valves was completely successful. This opens the door for people that want to improve their Hawk or Enforcers suspension without potentially spending a ton of money on a fork swap and dealing with all of the headaches that come with it. Below is a video where I cover what is required and how to set it up.



I would like to note that the adapter can also easily be aluminum. As long as they are around 23 to 23.8mm O.D. and at least 5mm thick, they will work.

Also, the valves only alter the compression dampening. The rebound dampening is still metered by the damping rods upper orifice holes, but can now be adjusted by changing fork oil weight. Since the compression damping is valve controlled, the weight of the fork oil has very little to almost no influence over it any more. This allows you to really dial in the suspension.

As far as the source to purchase the YSS Fork valves, I have yet to find a U.S. distributor, but they can be found and purchased on ebay or through the UK website wemoto. https://www.wemoto.com/parts/picture/ys-pd238 Roughly the cost is around or a little over $100 for the valves.

There is a potential cheaper second source for a similar style valve, but I have thus far been unable to find the specification on the outside diameter of the valves. They are for the early XS650, which used a similar diameter fork spring to the Hawk. At $60 a set, they are much cheaper, and they are shipped within the US, so if you feel like doing some leg work you could give these guys a call and try to find out the diameter. As long as they are less than 24mm in outer diameter they should work. https://www.mikesxs.net/yamaha-xs650...hoCmyEQAvD_BwE


I honestly can't wait to get the bike out of the road and start dialing in.

[pete]

LOL... I seen this vid on you tube before here...
I was almost going to post it here till I realised it was yours...

PS.. arn't the damping rods tiny....

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[Megadan]

Originally Posted by pete

LOL... I seen this vid on you tube before here...
I was almost going to post it here till I realised it was yours...

PS.. arn't the damping rods tiny....

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I am becoming internet famous, I better practice my diva routine...

those damping rods are almost comically tiny, but they do suit the size of the fork tube diameter well...also tiny. Pretty stout little buggers though. I was pleasantly surprised to see piston seals on the ends of them as well. I almost tore the forks down completely to see if they had serviceable bushings or not, but then I came down with a case of laziness and decided it could wait for another day.

[JerryHawk250]

[Riggs]

Looking forward to see how forks & rear shock perform!

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Riggs

Looking forward to see how forks & rear shock perform!

I am 100% confident in the forks. I did fork valves in two previous bikes, and once you get them tuned in they make a world of difference. Combine them with a fork brace and the right preload and you would have one heck of a front end. The fork brace is my next project.

[Amateur]

Originally Posted by Megadan

I am becoming internet famous, I better practice my diva routine...

Seems like you already have it down pretty well.
Acting like your personal discovery that emulators can be used on these forks means that everyone else just learned as well. Lol

Be careful. Emulators will make you think your 31mm forks are suddenly MX capable. They will not take any more destructive abuse than before they'll just handle better. Don't jump these bikes they aren't made for it.

An XR200R frontend is the ticket. Don't waste money building these forks.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by Amateur

Seems like you already have it down pretty well.
Acting like your personal discovery that emulators can be used on these forks means that everyone else just learned as well. Lol

Be careful. Emulators will make you think your 31mm forks are suddenly MX capable. They will not take any more destructive abuse than before they'll just handle better. Don't jump these bikes they aren't made for it.

An XR200R frontend is the ticket. Don't waste money building these forks.

Show me or anybody else where I once said this bike or these forks were MX Capable. Show me where I ever said anything about jumps. I will sit here and wait (and die of old age). I never once did.

What it does do is improve the ride, handling, and overall feel of the bike. The forks are plenty capable for the trail riding and regular road use it was meant for. Putting forks and other parts from an XR200R is an improvement, but an unnecessary one given what the rest of the bike is like.

Also, waste money? 100 bucks, a simple pair of spacers/adapters, and time with a drill and the front end is vastly improved. I don't care what imaginary money figures you might throw at me, but you aren't doing a complete XR200R front end for $100.

[Megadan]

I sent mikesxs another message in regard to his fork valves. It would be pretty sweet to have a cheaper option for this upgrade. Being able to use his valves would make this a sub $100 upgrade.

[seeinred]

Did you hear back from mikesxs if his fork valves would fit our hawks?

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by seeinred

Did you hear back from mikesxs if his fork valves would fit our hawks?

Not a peep. Tried 3 times now and never heard back.

[seeinred]

After doing some internet research, I think you are correct that the mikes valves will fit our 35 MM forks. Ive ordered the valves and will report back on the dimensions when they arrive.

[Megadan]

Originally Posted by seeinred

After doing some internet research, I think you are correct that the mikes valves will fit our 35 MM forks. Ive ordered the valves and will report back on the dimensions when they arrive.

I am definitely curious about them. Looking forward to what you come back with. If you can, try posting a couple of pictures of the valves as well so I can see if there are any differences between the two.

[pete]

You have them a part this far..so put the right stuff in them..
dirt use a 5 weight oil... But if you are a road only rider the ATF
will do as the slow fork action won't matter so much..It might even help..
A 20 weight would be better...

[seeinred]

Mikes xs valve 27-1086 only has one bleed hole near the spring it measures 1.50 mm.