06-07-2019, 04:57 PM | #76 |
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I had a small epiphany today. These things are never done until you have around 4k sunk into it. Even now, I thought I did all the mods needed to make it sturdy and fast. Then you realize no. Now you need a better wheel hub and bearings... swing arm is garbage. It is a rabbit hole of time and money. I think I am going to put it away or sell it and move on.
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06-07-2019, 05:55 PM | #78 | |
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06-07-2019, 06:12 PM | #79 | |
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06-07-2019, 06:20 PM | #80 |
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4k is a real number. When you start in on the project you think loc-tight and a new carb is all you need. The further you go the more you realize it is never over until all parts are replaced. I get it though, you drop in a 17t and tune you're VM22 clone and it is done. But if you're looking for something reliable and rides well...
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06-07-2019, 06:32 PM | #81 | |
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I dont like it if the gauges are cheap that's definitley a big drawback and on my Vader the gauges are a big plus for the price of the Vader anyways since my gauges are color changing, with tachometer included and in a style I like alright, plus fuel gauge, digital speedo that I have tested as being accurate to less than 1MPH off at 40MPH vs radar&GPS&car speedo, trip computer and time--that's what I would call a decent gauge cluister and definitley so for a $1200 bike! If the G400C were a $G cheaper (or $2G cheaper!) then it would instantly be way sexier! it's a $4.5G+ bike with $2.5G performance and overall everything
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06-07-2019, 06:43 PM | #82 | |
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Is $4G what you spent on purchase and build? (not including insurance or dmv fees such as title/reg plates) I would have not too much of a REAL idea what it costs to keep these going long term.. Ive only had this 2 months/almost 600 miles now..I do have 2 friends with fairly high mileage stock based engines but I have nooo idea what they spent on theirs and I know they spend a good amount of time, more than me by a lot working and trying bolt on or home made mods and switching the mods back or to something new if they don't like the mod...I agree it is like a rabbit hole. I have only fell down the research part of the Vader rabbit hole other than purchasing the stock bike so far...and oh boy how far I have fallen!!! (not saying I even know very much, cuz I dont...BUT for the amount of months maybe 4-5 since I first learned vaders exist that I can remember---during that time I have spent a good amount of time reading about different stuff and a lot of time just mulling over what I might do or what I want to do or what will I do if i had an unlimited budget or what looks cool that I probably will never spend the cash on or what do I think are worth it mods and it goes on
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06-07-2019, 06:49 PM | #83 |
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I also am at the point Im really ready for more power...the new 17t sprocket was the shit for the first day...my bike, to me, only rides well enough to do 4-5 mile laps around my neighborhood on 30MPH roads. on the 40mph roads even when im hitting cruising speeds in the high 40's I will have every car crawl right up in my up close & personal business...plus i choose to let any "real" bikers go past out of respect
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06-07-2019, 08:29 PM | #84 |
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I've also always been saying I don't think I would want to go much above 60moh on a clone--and even then I meant that high of a speed for short amounts of time and basically want extra power to maybe cruise at 50 to 55 MPH if it feels safe and also to accelerate a bit faster and vastly improve the hill climb. It would be quite a task to make these clones both ride pretty well and be reliable over 10 or 10s of thousands of miles while handling all or most of the power even an untuned basic ZS190 has to offer--another reason I havent pulled the trigger buying the 190 even though it undoubtedly has the greatest return of power for money spent on anything that I know of that easily goes into these clones and looks like it could be reliable. I feel like a tricked out 140s 141cc I think it woeks out to if you go by how the Chinese measure BBK MIGHT offer most of the power I ever need for getting around small towns and travelling a couple towns over and back on backroads occasionally for the most part is all I ever planned on doing with the Vader...but that gets really expensive for a really PROPER BBK more than just the basic cylinder/piston $150 combo--once you add the race head and cam to the point it's just about silly at $600 or even a couple hundred more than that
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06-08-2019, 04:33 PM | #85 | |
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I was almost ready to throw in the towel yesterday but found I just needed to make small adjustments I overlooked after the swap. |
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06-08-2019, 11:11 PM | #86 | |
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Well I hope you have some fun with the new engine on the bike. I feel like you could get some good use out of a Hellcat or vader with a 190cc, at least rolling around the county you live in staying in town or travelling a couple towns over and back or so, and maybe do a lil stunting-- you know do whatever you want to on most roads off the highway without doing more serious mods now that your bike is a 190--plus i think your bike looks cool with the mods---shoot I wish I had a 190cc on mine and the mods you have for sure!... I would even be happy for awhile with a 160cc like the 160 YX (in the pic) and maybe I would spring for the 160 if it was half the price it is--but its only a $20 short of what the whole 190cc KIT costs with the coupon!! but even with decent savings being a class A Number One cheapskate without a great income and being pretty lazy isnt helping me accomplish that goal! hah Maybe I should just say eff it YOLO and buy the 190 or sell the Vader get a Retro and do the 190 or get a GSXR or an R6 and kill myself in a high speed crash like the one in the attached video link----https://youtu.be/zIDvQyECT6U Cuz YOLO, it's like the modern slang for Banzai! Plus i currently have more pressing concerns including finding a new place to live probably have to move within 3 months or less from now which isnt easy after living where I live for the last 30 years. Im not exactly used to or skilled at house/apartment hunting plus I got a ton of personal stuff and am almost undoubtedly moving somewhere with loads less living and storage space. I'm even considering selling my bike so I wont have to move it or worry about where am I going to park it at an apartment or is it going to get jacked there even though I doubt I will ever live in a very high crime area, but a bike, especially a small light bike without a security system is an easy target, maybe poor people would jump on it as an easy way to make a month's rent selling it on Craigslist or some young hopper would want to go for a joyride and I also seriously doubt this move will land me in anything close to luxury apartments It's got to be pretty darn easy to hotwire one of these--I'm guessing you just jump a wire in the ignition circuit which I have seen people just take off the headlight or front fairing on a scooter and borrow a small couple inches of wire that's elsewhere on the bike and plug one end of the wire to one part of I think the ignition plug to another part and then hit the electric start with no key an BOOm the thing would start. I know I have seen a video online too on how to hotwire a scooter that outlined exactly how to hotwire the Chinese scoots. Not saying I would likely get jacked, just that it is easy if anyone wanted to either by hotwire or removing the bike without starting it
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06-09-2019, 01:56 AM | #87 |
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I keep seeing people, mostly people wanting to do the 190 swap, getting the "better" swingarms. I have no idea if that is neccesary or what the replacement swingarm is supposed to do so much better that it's worth replacing. Could be worth it I have no idea
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06-09-2019, 10:05 PM | #89 |
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I thought I already posted this. Anyway, this is the Lifan clone. It is a 150 with a 5 speed gear box. The motor doesn't have enough in to rev out the gearing in this video. But he does other top speed runs with different gearing. In the first vid, he made it to 64 GPS, in the comment section he said it hit 68 another time.
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06-10-2019, 06:05 AM | #90 | |
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Dang. Yeah he broke 60MPH hitting 61 in 4th gear on the part of the video I watched then he shifts to 5th gets uo to 64, sees a cop and doesnt want any part of that cop and slows down. Im guessing he's sort of hitting a wall with the gearing/power/wind resistance going 68MPH, cuz I bet it could go a little faster even if it takes getting the rpms wrapped out if he had power or aerodynamics to push the gearing to redline. I still havent completely wrapped out the RPMS in my Vader in 4th gear--only hit maybe 7500ish tops at 53MPH which is about as high as I like to go with my current setup--half expect the bike to cluck up if I keep pushing it much faster than that, especially since it has been at least a little windy or a lotta windy just about everytime I go out riding and I weigh 205lbs and havent tried much of a Moto GP tuck impression...Yet.... I wish I could just get the 190 engine without paying. going to decide this week whether or not to buy it at this approximate junction in time
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