So Much For Waiting... - Page 2

Emerikol · 10-11-2018, 08:24 PM

I did indeed get the exhaust, and it's not in terrible condition. The front pipes and headers are in great shape, but there's a pretty good bash in on the top muffler and heat shield. The heat shield will be pretty easy to hammer back into shape, but I think the muffler may be a bit too far gone. I know that there are some mufflers out there to be had, and they're not even too expensive. First things first, though, I have to get the front tire and lower fork tubes broken down, cleaned up, and reassembled. I really need to figure out what to do with the fork rods. I think I may need to fab up a new set.

Emerikol · 10-14-2018, 09:21 AM

I had a little bit of time over the weekend to get the front forks and the wrecked fork rods taken apart. The damper rods will need to be replaced. There's no hope for them. I'm really struggling to find just that part, and I honestly think I'm going to have to get a whole new set of forks from e-bay.

The front wheel bearings are also crunchy, but that's more of a maintenance item than anything. I haven't dug into the front brake drum yet, that's probably going to be the next adventure. So far I've been able to get both engines turning over, and they aren't making expensive sounding noises (yet). I'm really not sure if I should go ahead and tear down the more complete engine to the component level and do a complete overhaul, or if I should just stuff it in the bike and see how it runs. I'm trying to get the chassis put back together to at least be a roller. That would make life much easier in the garage. I'll keep you guys in the loop as to how this saga continues.

BlackBike · 10-15-2018, 01:12 AM

Good stuff. Like you say, make it a roller then work out sections from there without spend8ng too much on cosmetics . Then by the time little bud is 15 you should be fully restored

Emerikol · 10-15-2018, 07:07 AM

BlackBike, I hope to have this thing on the road and riding in 15 MONTHS, not by the time the Bambino is 15 YEARS! Those fork damper rods are really throwing me for a loop, though. On top of that, the guy who took the bike apart just tossed all the nuts and bolts that were taken off the bike into a box without any markings or organization. It looks like that box was also kicked over a few times over the years, because the more I dig into this thing, the more I fin is missing. The little bracket for the key switch? Gone. Finger release for the seat? MIA. Sprocket retainer and bolts for the front sprocket? You guessed it... I have a hard copy of the factory service manual, and that's been a big help getting organized. I'm just going to have to sit down with a box of ziplock bags and do my best to put things into at least larger subgroups, then go from there.

Weldangrind · 10-16-2018, 11:34 AM

Not sure why I'm a sucker for punishment, but I love resurrecting stuff like this.
Emerikol, did you sign the divorce papers over this bike?

Azhule · 10-16-2018, 11:47 AM

"Glutton for punishment" comes to mind

Darkrider · 10-16-2018, 02:27 PM

Almost wonder if there wouldnt be a set of forks from a newer bike that could be adapted to this. Not only for easier to service parts but to gain a disk brake.

Emerikol · 10-16-2018, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Not sure why I'm a sucker for punishment, but I love resurrecting stuff like this.
Emerikol, did you sign the divorce papers over this bike?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkrider

Almost wonder if there wouldnt be a set of forks from a newer bike that could be adapted to this. Not only for easier to service parts but to gain a disk brake.

Weld, no divorce papers will be forthcoming. You see, the Missus and I have a really nice setup. We each have high yield savings accounts (Synchrony is the best in the business right now, with 1.85% APY, in case anyone cares), and each week we automatically have money transferred from our bank to the savings accounts. What we do with that money is completely up to us, and the other spouse can't say anything about it. This bike was purchased for a whopping $100 out of my account. Anything I need to purchase for it will also have to come out of my account, but when it finally hits the road, the insurance and registration will just be a household expense because it's a usable vehicle. Let me tell you guys what a brilliant idea having an account like that is. It allows us to do things we want without having to worry about arguments starting. The only thing the Missus has said about this new bike (and in her defense, it's perfectly fair) is that it's taking up space in our already very cramped garage. That's going to be fixed soon too, though. We are working with a builder and we're about to start building our new house out here in Arizona.

DarkRider, I am going to try to keep everything as original as I can. For the type of riding I'll be doing, and with modern drum brake friction material, I'm fully confident that the drums will be just fine. The biggest obstacle is going to be breaking everything down into it's component form, and then cleaning inventorying, and reassembling everything. There's already a whole bunch of things that will need attention, mostly revolving around the engine internals.

Weldangrind · 10-22-2018, 11:42 AM

Are new rings for that engine made of unobtanium?

Emerikol · 10-23-2018, 07:23 AM

Weld, it's not so much that new rings are made of unobtanium, they're actually pretty easy-to-obtainium.

I would rather just get the bike all back together and ride it for a few months, that's all. I'm approaching the Resurrection of this bike with my eyes wide open, that is, knowing I'm going to eventually have to touch every single part of the bike. If I can do some actual riding of the bike, that's the goal. I would like to ride it for a bit, keep dumping oil in it because the engine burns more oil than gas, then know I'm going to spend the winter overhauling the engine. Just what I'm planning for now. Obviously with a project like this, plans are absolutely subject to change.

humanbeing · 10-23-2018, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emerikol

Weld, it's not so much that new rings are made of unobtanium, they're actually pretty easy-to-obtainium.

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1.5/1.5/2.5 rings can be found in some 170F (ie. those chinese 7hp...) http://www.anerda.com/3g/ProList.asp...=0,286,&Page=4
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After digging deeper in piston maker's page http://www.jhpiston.com/about_can/, found out Yamaha 7D9 (as in MZ200/ PW3028 pressure washer) is also 1.5/1.5/2.5 rings

Weldangrind · 10-23-2018, 11:01 AM

I get that logic. It was the same with my old TW, which laid on it side. In a field. For 10 years. Ugh.
I actually got it to run and rode it for a season before tearing it all apart.

Emerikol · 10-29-2018, 07:47 AM

So I had a few hours to do some more tinkering on the Scrambler. The swingarm pivot bolt is the only place I've found grease that was still recognizable so far. That one came out pretty easy. I got the front triple trees off, and like everybody else who does that job I dropped the steering bearings all over my garage floor.

Found them all (I hope) and got everything bagged and tagged. The races looked really bad at first glance, but it turned out to just be old petrified grease and dirt. I cleaned them up with a brass wheel on my drill and they look great. I had thought about replacing them with a set of taper bearings, but I think I'll just stick with these for the time being. As I mentioned, I remove the swingarm to start breaking down the rest of the frame and getting it ready to spend some time addressing the rust. This is where the bad news keeps on coming.
http://www.chinariders.net/attachmen...1&d=1540812958
I'm going to need a new rear hoop.

I realize that of all the things I'm finding (or not finding, as the "it's all there" post was written) needing a new rear rim isn't the end of the world. It's just a little irritating to me personally that I didn't notice it when I went on my mini shopping spree and ordered a boatload of parts. Oh well, It'll all have to get done sooner or later. As for the next steps, I'm going to be tearing into the carburetors (which actually don't look like they were out in a field for 25 years), and finishing up the frame strip down. I'm also going to be calling a local welding and machine shop to see about getting the upper triple clamp welded back together and the brake cable boss on the front brake hub repaired. And so the adventure continues!

pete · 11-02-2018, 04:50 AM

The worst bike I have rebuilt was in show room condiction
compared to this.. (77 Montesa 348 Cota)
the KL250A1 I'm doing at the moment is bad..but nothing like this..

Just imagine the first ride around the block...
thats when it's all worth it...

..

Emerikol · 11-03-2018, 11:16 PM

A few more stray hours in the garage today. I managed to get the rear brakes all broken down, with an emphasis on the broken... Same thing on the rears as up front. The friction material was completely separated from the shoes, and the pivots were all seized up. I actually wound up drilling the shoes next to, and parallel the pivot pins, then hammered a flat blade screwdriver in the holes to break the shoes away from the pivots. I managed to do surprisingly little damage to the pivot pins, and I figure that the little bit the drill bit did catch the pins will just hold that much more grease when it all goes back together. The next thing to happen will be to finish stripping the frame down, then I'll start working the rusty bits with a wire wheel and some etching primer. I think I'm going to paint the frame gloss black (yeah, real original and daring, I know), along with the wheel spokes and cylinder section of the engine. I'm going to leave the wheel hubs polished aluminum, and the rims will be polished chrome. I haven't decided what color I want to paint the side covers and tank yet. I'm kind of leaning towards either a sunburst yellow, or British racing green. That's still a long way off yet. The next thing I'm going to get is a sandblasting cabinet from Harbor Freight. That will be a huge help in getting all these parts prepped and back together. But I can't get that until we get into the new house. I have a meeting with the builder on Thursday, and the timeline should lay out for us to move in around the middle of June. Fun times!

10-11-2018, 08:24 PM	#1
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	I did indeed get the exhaust, and it's not in terrible condition. The front pipes and headers are in great shape, but there's a pretty good bash in on the top muffler and heat shield. The heat shield will be pretty easy to hammer back into shape, but I think the muffler may be a bit too far gone. I know that there are some mufflers out there to be had, and they're not even too expensive. First things first, though, I have to get the front tire and lower fork tubes broken down, cleaned up, and reassembled. I really need to figure out what to do with the fork rods. I think I may need to fab up a new set. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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10-14-2018, 09:21 AM	#2
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	I had a little bit of time over the weekend to get the front forks and the wrecked fork rods taken apart. The damper rods will need to be replaced. There's no hope for them. I'm really struggling to find just that part, and I honestly think I'm going to have to get a whole new set of forks from e-bay. The front wheel bearings are also crunchy, but that's more of a maintenance item than anything. I haven't dug into the front brake drum yet, that's probably going to be the next adventure. So far I've been able to get both engines turning over, and they aren't making expensive sounding noises (yet). I'm really not sure if I should go ahead and tear down the more complete engine to the component level and do a complete overhaul, or if I should just stuff it in the bike and see how it runs. I'm trying to get the chassis put back together to at least be a roller. That would make life much easier in the garage. I'll keep you guys in the loop as to how this saga continues. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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10-15-2018, 01:12 AM	#3
BlackBike Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: George West, Texas Posts: 4,097	Good stuff. Like you say, make it a roller then work out sections from there without spend8ng too much on cosmetics . Then by the time little bud is 15 you should be fully restored __________________ ***************************************** 2015 Bashan"Blaze" BS250GY-31 (DB-07K-250) GONE 2017 Suzuki V Strom 650 XT "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." ~Benjamin Franklin~
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10-15-2018, 07:07 AM	#4
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	BlackBike, I hope to have this thing on the road and riding in 15 MONTHS, not by the time the Bambino is 15 YEARS! Those fork damper rods are really throwing me for a loop, though. On top of that, the guy who took the bike apart just tossed all the nuts and bolts that were taken off the bike into a box without any markings or organization. It looks like that box was also kicked over a few times over the years, because the more I dig into this thing, the more I fin is missing. The little bracket for the key switch? Gone. Finger release for the seat? MIA. Sprocket retainer and bolts for the front sprocket? You guessed it... I have a hard copy of the factory service manual, and that's been a big help getting organized. I'm just going to have to sit down with a box of ziplock bags and do my best to put things into at least larger subgroups, then go from there. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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10-16-2018, 11:34 AM	#5
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Not sure why I'm a sucker for punishment, but I love resurrecting stuff like this. Emerikol, did you sign the divorce papers over this bike? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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10-16-2018, 11:47 AM	#6
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	"Glutton for punishment" comes to mind __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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10-22-2018, 11:42 AM	#9
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Are new rings for that engine made of unobtanium? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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10-23-2018, 07:23 AM	#10
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	Weld, it's not so much that new rings are made of unobtanium, they're actually pretty easy-to-obtainium. I would rather just get the bike all back together and ride it for a few months, that's all. I'm approaching the Resurrection of this bike with my eyes wide open, that is, knowing I'm going to eventually have to touch every single part of the bike. If I can do some actual riding of the bike, that's the goal. I would like to ride it for a bit, keep dumping oil in it because the engine burns more oil than gas, then know I'm going to spend the winter overhauling the engine. Just what I'm planning for now. Obviously with a project like this, plans are absolutely subject to change. __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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10-23-2018, 11:01 AM	#12
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	I get that logic. It was the same with my old TW, which laid on it side. In a field. For 10 years. Ugh. I actually got it to run and rode it for a season before tearing it all apart. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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11-02-2018, 04:50 AM	#14
pete Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: ChCh , NZ Posts: 2,262	The worst bike I have rebuilt was in show room condiction compared to this.. (77 Montesa 348 Cota) the KL250A1 I'm doing at the moment is bad..but nothing like this.. Just imagine the first ride around the block... thats when it's all worth it... .. __________________ 09 XT660R ... 06 TTR250 ... 80 Montesa H6 125 Enduro... 77 Montesa Cota 348 MRR "Malcom Rathnell Replica"... Current resto projects.. 81 Honda CT110... 80 Kawasaki KL250A1... 11 Husaburg TE125 enduro... "sold" along with another 31... Lifan 125 Pitbike.. "stolen" ... KIWI BIKER FORUM...... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/content.php All the best offroad rides in NZ... http://www.remotemoto.com/ E-mail... xtpete1@gmail.com
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11-03-2018, 11:16 PM	#15
Emerikol Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Carrollton, GA Posts: 1,465	A few more stray hours in the garage today. I managed to get the rear brakes all broken down, with an emphasis on the broken... Same thing on the rears as up front. The friction material was completely separated from the shoes, and the pivots were all seized up. I actually wound up drilling the shoes next to, and parallel the pivot pins, then hammered a flat blade screwdriver in the holes to break the shoes away from the pivots. I managed to do surprisingly little damage to the pivot pins, and I figure that the little bit the drill bit did catch the pins will just hold that much more grease when it all goes back together. The next thing to happen will be to finish stripping the frame down, then I'll start working the rusty bits with a wire wheel and some etching primer. I think I'm going to paint the frame gloss black (yeah, real original and daring, I know), along with the wheel spokes and cylinder section of the engine. I'm going to leave the wheel hubs polished aluminum, and the rims will be polished chrome. I haven't decided what color I want to paint the side covers and tank yet. I'm kind of leaning towards either a sunburst yellow, or British racing green. That's still a long way off yet. The next thing I'm going to get is a sandblasting cabinet from Harbor Freight. That will be a huge help in getting all these parts prepped and back together. But I can't get that until we get into the new house. I have a meeting with the builder on Thursday, and the timeline should lay out for us to move in around the middle of June. Fun times! __________________ First Rule of Aviation: -Never Pass Up The Opportunity to Pee I was struggling to get my wife's attention; I sat down on the couch and looked comfortable. That did the trick! My wife says I only have two faults. I don't listen and something else... If at first you don't succeed, try doing it the way I told you to... The Stable: 2005 Yamaha V-Star 650 - SOLD 2015 Suzuki DR 650 2015 RPS Hawk 250 - SOLD 2016 Ural Gear Up
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