110cc air injection for emissions?

PoManzATV · 12-30-2009, 08:30 PM

Hey all,
I searched for this, but couldn't come up w/ anything for the 110cc. Is this exhaust air injection typical now? It seems to be hit/miss for 110's. Some have it and some don't. Man what an ugly appendage to slap on there. It's in a bad spot on this little quad too! Thanks to this forum, I discovered that little bulge in the exhaust is a catalytic converter. :?

Joel

Weldangrind · 12-30-2009, 09:03 PM

Is this your atv or a photo you found online?

PoManzATV · 12-30-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Is this your atv or a photo you found online?

I grabbed that picture from an eBay listing (that's now since ended). This fella here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...iewitem=#v4-12 I haven't received my 'mail-order' quad yet.

Joel

Cal25 · 12-31-2009, 08:18 AM

Not only that, look further up the pipe to the left. See the bulge in the pipe? Guess what that is.

waynev · 12-31-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cal25

Not only that, look further up the pipe to the left. See the bulge in the pipe? Guess what that is.

Taken from post #1 "I discovered that little bulge in the exhaust is a catalytic converter"

Cal25 · 12-31-2009, 09:55 AM

oops :oops:
missed that!

TurboT · 12-31-2009, 03:13 PM

Interesting indeed.

Reveeen · 01-01-2010, 08:41 PM

The "things" you have to do for EPA approval.

(it sure wouldn't take a whole lot of effort (or cash) to rid yourself of that crapola)

(I'd be more concerned about the upper shock mounting bolt in the picture)

waynev · 01-01-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Reveeen

(I'd be more concerned about the upper shock mounting bolt in the picture)

I was thinking the same thing, it looks like the head will snap off when it goes over a small bump or two, but it could just be an optical illusion though.

Weldangrind · 01-02-2010, 01:33 AM

It looks to me like that upper shock mount should be moved to the right about 1", so that the shock is centered in the upper control arm.

Q · 01-02-2010, 06:11 PM

The air injection and catalytic converter shouldn't affect performance so I wouldn't remove them. I've seen the same setup on European bikes. My Hensim 250 street bike has the cats but not the air injection.

Q

Weldangrind · 01-02-2010, 08:13 PM

One way to quantify that would be to weld a small pipe thread bung in the head pipe, just before the cat. You could then attach a pressure guage (0-15psi) to the bung and run the engine through the rpm range, noting the pressures at specific points.

You could then repeat the process after removing the cat and compare the difference. Idle pressure should be around 1.5psi (or less), 2000 rpm should be about 3psi and 4000 rpm could be anywhere between 4psi and 8psi. If the pressure shoots up to an abnormal reading, there is excessive back-pressure in the system, especially if it continues to climb while holding a specific rpm.

So far, I haven't actually tried this process. Like Cliff Clavin, this is strictly theory.

PoManzATV · 01-03-2010, 07:08 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't bother removing any of it unless I had issues. Good point about that top shock bolt and the way the shock appears off center in that control arm! 8O

12-30-2009, 09:03 PM	#2
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01-02-2010, 01:33 AM	#10
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	It looks to me like that upper shock mount should be moved to the right about 1", so that the shock is centered in the upper control arm. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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01-02-2010, 08:13 PM	#12
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	One way to quantify that would be to weld a small pipe thread bung in the head pipe, just before the cat. You could then attach a pressure guage (0-15psi) to the bung and run the engine through the rpm range, noting the pressures at specific points. You could then repeat the process after removing the cat and compare the difference. Idle pressure should be around 1.5psi (or less), 2000 rpm should be about 3psi and 4000 rpm could be anywhere between 4psi and 8psi. If the pressure shoots up to an abnormal reading, there is excessive back-pressure in the system, especially if it continues to climb while holding a specific rpm. So far, I haven't actually tried this process. Like Cliff Clavin, this is strictly theory. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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12-30-2009, 08:30 PM	#1
PoManzATV Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Falls NY (Buffalo) Posts: 51	110cc air injection for emissions? Hey all, I searched for this, but couldn't come up w/ anything for the 110cc. Is this exhaust air injection typical now? It seems to be hit/miss for 110's. Some have it and some don't. Man what an ugly appendage to slap on there. It's in a bad spot on this little quad too! Thanks to this forum, I discovered that little bulge in the exhaust is a catalytic converter. :? Joel
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12-31-2009, 08:18 AM	#4
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	Not only that, look further up the pipe to the left. See the bulge in the pipe? Guess what that is.
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12-31-2009, 09:55 AM	#6
Cal25 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Terrell and Grapevine Tx. Posts: 1,585	oops :oops: missed that!
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12-31-2009, 03:13 PM	#7
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	Interesting indeed.
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01-01-2010, 08:41 PM	#8
Reveeen Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: orbital platform Posts: 741	The "things" you have to do for EPA approval. (it sure wouldn't take a whole lot of effort (or cash) to rid yourself of that crapola) (I'd be more concerned about the upper shock mounting bolt in the picture)
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01-02-2010, 06:11 PM	#11
Q Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 348	The air injection and catalytic converter shouldn't affect performance so I wouldn't remove them. I've seen the same setup on European bikes. My Hensim 250 street bike has the cats but not the air injection. Q
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01-03-2010, 07:08 PM	#13
PoManzATV Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Falls NY (Buffalo) Posts: 51	Yeah, I wouldn't bother removing any of it unless I had issues. Good point about that top shock bolt and the way the shock appears off center in that control arm! 8O
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