Whydo Ihave to pay shipping again from GIO for damaged parts - Page 2

Weldangrind · 08-07-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by crhunter

Anyone know what the other bolt is for beside the oil drain plug

That bolt reveals the cam chain spring, as TurboT found out. No problem using that bolt, just don't lose the spring, and be sure to put it back in the same way it came out.

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Originally Posted by yozalo

The throttle cable it too short I have yet to figure out how to fix it. I know it still work even though the cable it short but it will not go to it's full speed since the slider does not go all the way up. The highest the slider will go up is 3/4.

When you say the throttle cable is too short, do you mean that the thumb throttle won't travel far enough? You can confirm by removing the slider and working the thumb throttle; you can then observe if the slider travels all the way (maybe you tried this already). Don't forget that there is a cable adjustment next to the thumb throttle; maybe it's screwed in too far. Lastly, a dry cable doesn't cooperate. If you remove the throttle cable from the thumb throttle, you can attach a cable luber and force lube down the cable. I use Maxima Chain Wax for cables.

crhunter · 08-07-2009, 01:11 PM

Did you check that throttle cable in "spare parts" bag? It might be a different length. Also, I found mine was pretty tightly packed in with the wiring harness. I re-routed so that it was free and then zapped strapped it to the frame. Although I am talking about the original cable/carb so the mikuni carb/throttle cable might be different.

yozalo · 08-07-2009, 02:46 PM

Maybe I could try lube. I already tried unscrewing it weldandgrind. It did make a difference but the slider does not go all the way up. In the old carb the slider wouild go all the way up. I could maybe extend the cable or something.

Weldangrind · 08-07-2009, 03:06 PM

It's not likely to be the cable length that's the problem. It's more likely to be the thumb throttle.

To prove it, you could remove the slider and remove the cable from the thumb throttle. Then, pull the cable manually to see if the slider extends all of the way; if it does, the cable length is fine. See if the thumb throttle can be modified to pull the cable further.

Don't forget that the thumb throttle has a limiting screw for beginners. Since you're not a beginner, you could remove the screw completely.

TurboT · 08-07-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Don't forget that the thumb throttle has a limiting screw for beginners. Since you're not a beginner, you could remove the screw completely.

I was surprised how much this makes a difference. I used to just back our's way out when I took them for a test and tune, thinking that's the way they were.

Some of the kids were horsing around with the quads when shut off, and pulled one of them right out, when I took it for a spin it was noticeably more aggressive!

crhunter · 08-07-2009, 05:26 PM

I'm not getting any spark. Fuel & battery seem good. I tried grounding the spark to the frame, no arc. Starter?

TurboT · 08-07-2009, 05:47 PM

Check to make sure the boot is on the kill switch properly at the back of the unit. They are needly and if it's tipped a little it won't start.

Make sure all the switches are on as well. There is one on the handlebar and they key.

Let me know there are other things you can check.

crhunter · 08-07-2009, 07:49 PM

Checked those things TurboT, all good. The battery is suspicious though. When it turns (attempts) to turn over it's like it doesn't have enough cranking power if that makes any sense. It won't full cycle, then after a couple attmepts basically nothing unless it sits for a while. Lights come on but I doubt they draw very much power. I'm going to pick up a trickle charger from Crappy Tire tomorrow and let it charge for a while. I see gio is out of stock. I'm thinking if was the starter or other electrical I woudn't get any turning at all. I could be wrong. I'll start with the battery first.

TurboT · 08-07-2009, 08:33 PM

A trickle charge can't hurt. If it's turning over the starter is likely fine.

You may want to have a look at your wiring connections as well. They can wiggle loose from the factory. Make sure they are pressed into the white plugs all the way, especially around the cdi and rectifier. I would also check to see if they look correctly wired/color wise.

crhunter · 08-07-2009, 08:57 PM

Is the rectifier the part that has the spark plug wire attached to before the CDI? I figured out the CDI and traced all the cables back carefully the zap straps (I'll re-do those later) checking to make sure the white conections are fully connected. It has been starting the last 2 days, it took a few tries to fire it up but today nothing. I emailed John at GIO this morning but haven't heard back from him. If I'm not getting an arc from the sparkplug when I put it contact with the frame what are possibilities? You also mentioned checking the wire colours. If the wires are different colours wouldn't this be a problem from day one?

Weldangrind · 08-07-2009, 09:25 PM

Maybe we can break this down a little.

You said "I'm not getting any spark. Fuel & battery seem good. I tried grounding the spark to the frame, no arc. Starter?"

1. When you say that the battery seems good, does that mean that the engine turns over at a proper speed?
2. When you tried grounding the spark plug to the frame, does that mean that you removed the plug from the head, plugged it into the wire and held it against the head while cranking? If the engine was turning over at this point, the starter is not the problem. I think that you've already established that, but I'm trying to clearly understand your concern.

You then said "When it turns (attempts) to turn over it's like it doesn't have enough cranking power if that makes any sense. It won't full cycle, then after a couple attmepts basically nothing unless it sits for a while."

3. Is this a reference to cranking speed (in other words, does it only crank slowly)? I'm not sure what "it won't full cycle" means.
4. Have you changed the spark plug? The stock plug is junk. Switch to an NGK CR7HSA or similar; they're cheap.

Don't worry about connections or components until you've properly charged the battery and changed the plug. That's a good starting point.

TurboT · 08-07-2009, 09:29 PM

W&G makes great points and I don't want you to get ahead of yourself either.. I am curious if this unit has run already and just had this problem, or if this is out of the box like this?

crhunter · 08-07-2009, 09:38 PM

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1. When you say that the battery seems good, does that mean that the engine turns over at a proper speed?

The lights work, they are bright.

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2. When you tried grounding the spark plug to the frame, does that mean that you removed the plug from the head, plugged it into the wire and held it against the head while cranking?

Yes that's what I did. It was cranking well but no spark.

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If the engine was turning over at this point, the starter is not the problem. I think that you've already established that, but I'm trying to clearly understand your concern.

No I don't think it is the starter.

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You then said "When it turns (attempts) to turn over it's like it doesn't have enough cranking power if that makes any sense. It won't full cycle, then after a couple attmepts basically nothing unless it sits for a while."

3. Is this a reference to cranking speed (in other words, does it only crank slowly)? I'm not sure what "it won't full cycle" means.

Yes it cranks very slowly, like if you are trying to start your car in very cold temperatures

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4. Have you changed the spark plug? The stock plug is junk. Switch to an NGK CR7HSA or similar; they're cheap.

Yes I changed the plug to autolite.

I think what I was referring to earlier is the ignition coil. I figured that out. Now I'm thinking stator after reading about them. The stator produces spark in the plug correct? How do I check it/test it? How do I access it?

TurboT · 08-07-2009, 09:46 PM

Has it run before or never started?

I wouldn't go replacing parts yet. Get a good charge on your battery.
I would expect the frame is grounded, but not sure, I would check your spark on a head bolt or something on the motor just to be sure.

I've had no spark issues with a 110cc Mini Hummer. It was one wire was pulled back from the white connection boxs that goes into the rectifier. (The rectifier changes current from D/C to A/C I believe) This is located up underneath the body kit screwed into the frame.

There are many places for this to happen with the wires. You can also find the cdi box, and give it a squeeze to push the wires in. Sometimes they dangle loose from their resting place, swing and pull on the wires.

crhunter · 08-07-2009, 09:59 PM

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Has it run before or never started?

I've had it runnig for 2 days and couldn't get it started today...I'll check the connections again. Thanks

08-07-2009, 03:06 PM	#19
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	It's not likely to be the cable length that's the problem. It's more likely to be the thumb throttle. To prove it, you could remove the slider and remove the cable from the thumb throttle. Then, pull the cable manually to see if the slider extends all of the way; if it does, the cable length is fine. See if the thumb throttle can be modified to pull the cable further. Don't forget that the thumb throttle has a limiting screw for beginners. Since you're not a beginner, you could remove the screw completely. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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08-07-2009, 09:25 PM	#26
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	Maybe we can break this down a little. You said "I'm not getting any spark. Fuel & battery seem good. I tried grounding the spark to the frame, no arc. Starter?" 1. When you say that the battery seems good, does that mean that the engine turns over at a proper speed? 2. When you tried grounding the spark plug to the frame, does that mean that you removed the plug from the head, plugged it into the wire and held it against the head while cranking? If the engine was turning over at this point, the starter is not the problem. I think that you've already established that, but I'm trying to clearly understand your concern. You then said "When it turns (attempts) to turn over it's like it doesn't have enough cranking power if that makes any sense. It won't full cycle, then after a couple attmepts basically nothing unless it sits for a while." 3. Is this a reference to cranking speed (in other words, does it only crank slowly)? I'm not sure what "it won't full cycle" means. 4. Have you changed the spark plug? The stock plug is junk. Switch to an NGK CR7HSA or similar; they're cheap. Don't worry about connections or components until you've properly charged the battery and changed the plug. That's a good starting point. __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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08-07-2009, 01:11 PM	#17
crhunter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 48	Did you check that throttle cable in "spare parts" bag? It might be a different length. Also, I found mine was pretty tightly packed in with the wiring harness. I re-routed so that it was free and then zapped strapped it to the frame. Although I am talking about the original cable/carb so the mikuni carb/throttle cable might be different.
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08-07-2009, 02:46 PM	#18
yozalo Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 330	Maybe I could try lube. I already tried unscrewing it weldandgrind. It did make a difference but the slider does not go all the way up. In the old carb the slider wouild go all the way up. I could maybe extend the cable or something.
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08-07-2009, 05:26 PM	#21
crhunter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 48	I'm not getting any spark. Fuel & battery seem good. I tried grounding the spark to the frame, no arc. Starter?
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08-07-2009, 05:47 PM	#22
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	Check to make sure the boot is on the kill switch properly at the back of the unit. They are needly and if it's tipped a little it won't start. Make sure all the switches are on as well. There is one on the handlebar and they key. Let me know there are other things you can check.
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08-07-2009, 07:49 PM	#23
crhunter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 48	Checked those things TurboT, all good. The battery is suspicious though. When it turns (attempts) to turn over it's like it doesn't have enough cranking power if that makes any sense. It won't full cycle, then after a couple attmepts basically nothing unless it sits for a while. Lights come on but I doubt they draw very much power. I'm going to pick up a trickle charger from Crappy Tire tomorrow and let it charge for a while. I see gio is out of stock. I'm thinking if was the starter or other electrical I woudn't get any turning at all. I could be wrong. I'll start with the battery first.
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08-07-2009, 08:33 PM	#24
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	A trickle charge can't hurt. If it's turning over the starter is likely fine. You may want to have a look at your wiring connections as well. They can wiggle loose from the factory. Make sure they are pressed into the white plugs all the way, especially around the cdi and rectifier. I would also check to see if they look correctly wired/color wise.
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08-07-2009, 08:57 PM	#25
crhunter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 48	Is the rectifier the part that has the spark plug wire attached to before the CDI? I figured out the CDI and traced all the cables back carefully the zap straps (I'll re-do those later) checking to make sure the white conections are fully connected. It has been starting the last 2 days, it took a few tries to fire it up but today nothing. I emailed John at GIO this morning but haven't heard back from him. If I'm not getting an arc from the sparkplug when I put it contact with the frame what are possibilities? You also mentioned checking the wire colours. If the wires are different colours wouldn't this be a problem from day one?
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08-07-2009, 09:29 PM	#27
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	W&G makes great points and I don't want you to get ahead of yourself either.. I am curious if this unit has run already and just had this problem, or if this is out of the box like this?
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08-07-2009, 09:46 PM	#29
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	Has it run before or never started? I wouldn't go replacing parts yet. Get a good charge on your battery. I would expect the frame is grounded, but not sure, I would check your spark on a head bolt or something on the motor just to be sure. I've had no spark issues with a 110cc Mini Hummer. It was one wire was pulled back from the white connection boxs that goes into the rectifier. (The rectifier changes current from D/C to A/C I believe) This is located up underneath the body kit screwed into the frame. There are many places for this to happen with the wires. You can also find the cdi box, and give it a squeeze to push the wires in. Sometimes they dangle loose from their resting place, swing and pull on the wires.
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