The Zongshen TT 250 is Coming

[katoranger]

This has my attention. Maybe a Zong will be in my future. I can ride gravel to work.

[2LZ]

This does look really nice and the Hondanoid motors have certainly proven themselves as extremely durable. I really do hope that they don't price it up with the SSR bikes. The SSR bikes have really jumped a lot of $$$ since they were marketed as Q Links and Konkers, even for their 200cc.

[jjn]

There's some dealer on Oahu selling the SSR 250 dual sport for $3700.

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by culcune

...I do hope that CSC take their RX3 bike into account and do not try to price the TT near that level of pricing to compete with SSR and their XF250's.

Originally Posted by 2LZ

This does look really nice and the Hondanoid motors have certainly proven themselves as extremely durable. I really do hope that they don't price it up with the SSR bikes. The SSR bikes have really jumped a lot of $$$ since they were marketed as Q Links and Konkers, even for their 200cc.

I'm pretty confident the TT Special bikes won't be priced anywhere near as expensive as the SSR bikes.

[Darkrider]

Now what would make this even better is if the TT was eventually canada bound as well Eh? ok maybe not..i already have enough reading to do on the RX3...

[Weldangrind]

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TT offered for sale in Canada eventually.

[culcune]

You guys are supposed to get the RX3 via CSC, correct?

[Darkrider]

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the TT offered for sale in Canada eventually.

Likewise...maybe by the time it is i will finally have an RX3 in the collection lol

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by culcune

You guys are supposed to get the RX3 via CSC, correct?

Correct. No distributors in Canada at this time.

[pismocycleguy]

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

If you're asking me, I only know what I see. CG (pushrod) counterbalanced motor, inverted forks, disc front and rear, air injection reaction device in the exhaust, Keihin-style carb and what looks to be a comfy saddle. Sharp bike.

Any "guesstimate" on the weight of the TT250?
I'm hoping that the weight will be close to 250 pounds or 115 Kgs.

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by pismocycleguy

Any "guesstimate" on the weight of the TT250?
I'm hoping that the weight will be close to 250 pounds or 115 Kgs.

Could be, although typical Hondoid dual sports are usually made of rather heavy steel. I wouldn't be shocked to find it north of 300lbs.

[pismocycleguy]

Originally Posted by 2LZ

This does look really nice and the Hondanoid motors have certainly proven themselves as extremely durable.

I'm new to Chinese bikes and not familiar with the lingo. So are some of the engines that Zongshen manufactures knock offs (Hondanoids) of Honda singles? Are the engines in the RX-3 Cyclone and the TT 250 also knock offs of Honda's?
Can you tell me from which Honda model of bikes did these two engines originate?
Thanks for any answers you can provide. It will help me in my future search and purchase a CB.

[SpudRider]

Originally Posted by pismocycleguy

I'm new to Chinese bikes and not familiar with the lingo. So are some of the engines that Zongshen manufactures knock offs (Hondanoids) of Honda singles? Are the engines in the RX-3 Cyclone and the TT 250 also knock offs of Honda's?
Can you tell me from which Honda model of bikes did these two engines originate?
Thanks for any answers you can provide. It will help me in my future search and purchase a CB.

Most Chinese engines are copies of old Honda engines. However, there are exceptions. Zongshen manufactures 4-5 million engines a year, and most of these engines are copies of Honda engines. However, my Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra) employs a copy of a Yamaha engine, which is virtually identical to the currently manufactured, TW200 engine. Qingqi manufactures copies of Suzuki engines.

The ZS177MM (NC250) engine in the Zongshen RX3 is a new design, which was commissioned from an Italian firm. Of course, this engine is manufactured in Chongqing, by Zongshen.

Chinese motorcycles with copies of Honda engines are called Hondoids. Most Chinese motorcycles are Hondoids. The Zongshen Sierra, Zongshen RX3, Qingqi/QLink/Konker, and SSR bikes are exceptions.

[Weldangrind]

Originally Posted by pismocycleguy

Are the engines in the RX-3 Cyclone and the TT 250 also knock offs of Honda's?
Can you tell me from which Honda model of bikes did these two engines originate?

Spud filled you in on the RX-3.

The TT 250 is like the vast majority of China bikes, in that the motor is based on the Honda CG125. That bike never landed on our shores, but it has been extremely popular in South Asia, South America and the UK. Our Chinese friends have bored and stroked it to 150, 175, 200, 223 and 229 (250 is a rounded figure). The CG engines use pushrods and one single cam lobe for both intake and exhaust events. It is remarkably durable, and requires very little maintenance, since there is no cam chain and associated hardware to adjust. The cam runs off of a gear that meshes with a crank gear.

Another very common Honda clone is the CB series, which are OHC singles that have a common ancestry with the Honda XR200. The frame of architecture is different in that the CB can handle a larger bore, but the cam chain and tensioner systems are quite similar. The CB has been available in about the same displacements as the CG. Like the CG, the CB has never been a Honda that ended up on North American shores. It is totally different from the multi-cylinder CB Honda street bikes.

[pismocycleguy]

Weld,
Thank you for the very informative information regarding China Bikes for a newbe! I now understand why the restrictions on over boring air cooled single cylinder China Bikes and makes me more interested in the upcoming TT250.
Sounds like my type of bike, air cooled, low maintenance, widely available spare parts and simple design.

Originally Posted by Weldangrind

Spud filled you in on the RX-3.

The TT 250 is like the vast majority of China bikes, in that the motor is based on the Honda CG125. That bike never landed on our shores, but it has been extremely popular in South Asia, South America and the UK. Our Chinese friends have bored and stroked it to 150, 175, 200, 223 and 229 (250 is a rounded figure). The CG engines use pushrods and one single cam lobe for both intake and exhaust events. It is remarkably durable, and requires very little maintenance, since there is no cam chain and associated hardware to adjust. The cam runs off of a gear that meshes with a crank gear.

Another very common Honda clone is the CB series, which are OHC singles that have a common ancestry with the Honda XR200. The frame of architecture is different in that the CB can handle a larger bore, but the cam chain and tensioner systems are quite similar. The CB has been available in about the same displacements as the CG. Like the CG, the CB has never been a Honda that ended up on North American shores. It is totally different from the multi-cylinder CB Honda street bikes.