Hey Humanbeing:

[Weldangrind]

I suspect that several of us would be grateful for your translation talents. Please share the link to MCM that shows your list of parts translations to start.

As well, could we ask specific questions here? I'll start. Please tell me the proper translation of carrying rack. I'd like to search on Taobao.

Cheers! :thanks:

[humanbeing]

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?2857&p=21805&viewfull=1#post21805
Can u give some picture example of those racks?

[Weldangrind]

I'm talking about the typical rack that is found behind the seat on any China dual sport bike. Does that make sense?

[humanbeing]

货架 goods rack

Honda clone:
http://s.taobao.com/search?spm=a230r.1.8.5.LWz35b&promote=0&sort=price-asc&initiative_id=staobaoz_20140612&tab=all&q=%B0%D7%B2%CB+%BB%F5%BC%DC&suggest=history_1&stats_click=search_radio_all%253A1#J_relative
http://s.taobao.com/search?spm=a230r.1.8.5.xfNNJ1&promote=0&sort=price-asc&initiative_id=staobaoz_20140612&tab=all&q=cqr+%BB%F5%BC%DC&stats_click=search_radio_all%253A1#J_relative
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Suzi clone:
http://s.taobao.com/search?initiative_id=staobaoz_20140612&js=1&stats_click=search_radio_all%253A1&q=%9D%FA%C4%CF+%D8%9B%BC%DC+200gy
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[Weldangrind]

Awesome! I'll take my time and look at all of them, but I'm after something like this:

http://img04.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i4/1789132172/T2N6uaXMtXXXXXXXXX-1789132172.jpg



:thanks:

[Weldangrind]

Maybe I'll try this: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.162.9DQh5i&id=13982997951&ns=1#detail

http://img02.taobaocdn.com/imgextra/i2/243147297/T2kNqqXfXaXXXXXXXX_!!243147297.jpg_400x400.jpg

[Weldangrind]

Can you show me the symbols for panniers that would work with the side racks in the above pic?

[humanbeing]

边包 side bag
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#1 brand chosen by "traveler" http://gaodawei.taobao.com/
Boss (the bald guy) inspired from the Tibet trip http://www.motorfans.com.cn/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=79102&extra=&originator=yes&authorid=75500 & make it into merchandise.

[Weldangrind]

I was originally looking for hard bags (like aluminum or plastic), but I really like these: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.80.g006zt&id=6887403738&ns=1#detail

http://img01.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i1/T15fdLXa8qXXbPzcwY_025634.jpg_400x400.jpg

[humanbeing]

http://gaodawei.taobao.com/category-862749407.htm?spm=a1z10.5.w4002-2178492808.15.rYsw2D&catId=862749407&orderType=price_asc

[Weldangrind]

What characters should I use to find panniers like this? http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.166.F0Be3x&id=36451152880

[humanbeing]

侧箱 / 边箱 side box http://s.taobao.com/search?spm=a230r.1.8.6.YIjPoi&olu=yes&isprepay=1&promote=0&sort=total-desc&tab=all&q=%82%C8%CF%E4
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Plastic (fake Pelican) |Brand: (万得福)
http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?1203-ChinaV-s-Galaxy-XTR250-amp-TGR250!/page6
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=19262242042

[Weldangrind]

Thanks! That gives me plenty to choose from.

[Weldangrind]

A forum member is looking for a swingarm bolt for his Honda clone: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=13783 Can you tell us the characters for that?

[stonemiser]

I am looking for a pinion and ring gear for a wildfire 200cc shaft drive ATV.

[humanbeing]

These?
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/BRAND-NEW-SHAFT-DRIVE-ATV-REAR-AXLE-GEARS-110CC-125CC-150CC-200CC-ATV-PARTS-COG-WHEEL/373989837.html

[Weldangrind]

Humanbeing, you're awesome. If you're ever in BC, I'd like to buy you a beer.

[SpudRider]

Humanbeing, you're awesome. If you're ever in BC, I'd like to buy you a beer.

X2. :tup:

[Weldangrind]

Hey Humanbeing, can you please tell us what these symbols mean? E1, PC, E, IGN (my guess is ignition power), EXT and SW

1350

[humanbeing]

E / E1 =Earth (Ground)
PC= Pickup (Trigger…)
SW= Switch
ExT= AC in
IGN
http://img.weiku.com//waterpicture/2012/6/9/14/FXD125_CDI_unit_634759938710067077_3.jpg
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http://www.dansmc.com/electricaltesting.htm

[Weldangrind]

Thank you very much. After a little searching online, I found the answer, and was able to sort out my wiring. I'll post about it soon.

[Weldangrind]

HB, how would I search for this CDI harness? I specifically want the rounded four pin that has two green wires, not one.

1450

[humanbeing]

Chinese calls that 4 pin as DJ7041-2.3-20 officially
Example of that 7041 family http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=14816193977 DJ7041Y-2.3-21 (Left)
2.3 stands for 2.3mm | Terminal example: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=16419446610

DC-090: http://www.cycleterminal.com/motorcycle-connectors.html
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Use these http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=25759660491 OR crimp some "2.3" to build whatever u want.
In my rusty memory, i don't remember ANY Honda based chinese CDI uses both ground.
Key OFF in DC CDi = cuts +12V ONLY http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=266&t=2234502 or BOTH +12v & PC
Key OFF in AC CDi = as #20

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for the links. My Roketa has two green wires, as pictured above. If I use one of the two spare CDI's I have, I cannot shut off the engine. The pinout is different, and they need a connection to the other terminal. I'll convert all of my China machines to use both ground terminals, so I can swap CDI's as necessary.

[Weldangrind]

I need to order a new master cylinder (with mirror mount), hose (preferably braided) and caliper. Can you help me find what I need? Below is what I have:

1506

1507

1508

[Weldangrind]

Also, can you help me find a new speedometer (in km/h) and shift indicator / signal indicator / high beam indicator? I wrecked mine when I splashed it with brake cleaner.

1509

[SpudRider]

I need to order a new master cylinder (with mirror mount), hose (preferably braided) and caliper. Can you help me find what I need? ...

The front brake for my Zongshen 200GY-2 looks very similar to yours, Weld. :) I just ordered a spare from Taobao.com, so I know you can get one. ;)

[Weldangrind]

May I please have the link, Spud?

[SpudRider]

May I please have the link, Spud?

Of course. :) Here is a link to the complete front brake assembly.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.158.aP9NEr&id=39927472602&ns=1#detail

I recently bought a spare master cylinder for the front brake. ;)

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.241.HkMt38&id=36992595555&ns=1#detail

Those are the first items I found; you might be able to find a better prices. ;)

[humanbeing]

上(up)泵(pump)
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=13864452796
下(down) 泵
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=7782195289
编织 (braided) 油(oil) 管 (hose)
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=39034462085
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仪表 (instrument)
http://x2moto.taobao.com/search.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-4639480345.16.TIyj02&viewType=grid&keyword=%83%78%B1%ED&orderType=price_asc

[Weldangrind]

Thank you, HB! I couldn't seem to narrow down the speedometers, and I had many, many pages to search through. This is exactly what I need: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.3.w4002-4639480345.45.YmLzyw&id=13492528644

Thanks also for the master cylinder, caliper and braided hose links. :D

[Weldangrind]

Of course. :) Here is a link to the complete front brake assembly.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.158.aP9NEr&id=39927472602&ns=1#detail

I recently bought a spare master cylinder for the front brake. ;)

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.241.HkMt38&id=36992595555&ns=1#detail

Those are the first items I found; you might be able to find a better prices. ;)

Thank you, Spud! Between your links and HB's, I have what I need.

[SpudRider]

HumanBeing,

After 65,000 miles (105,000 kms), the trip odometer of my Zongshen 200GY-2 speedometer broke. Therefore, I am going to buy a new speedometer unit from Taobao. ;) I am ready to buy a unit calibrated in kilometers, but I wonder if any are calibrated in miles?

[humanbeing]

...buy a unit calibrated in kilometers, but I wonder if any are calibrated in miles?
"hen's teeth" in taobao.com (Sellers don't list useless (miles) product in a "domestic market" site)
Sometimes silicone grease works wonder in old trip odometer

[humanbeing]

...编织 (braided) 油(oil) 管 (hose) http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=39034462085...
According to http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:x1ESAHgvp8oJ:www.hebqts.gov.cn/admin/article/downloadFile.do%3Fatt.id%3D66879490
Factory no. A072822 = http://www.khhose.com/index.htm

[SpudRider]

Humanbeing,

I found the rear tire for the Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) at the following link.

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.57.KV2vIU&id=39514189731&ns=1#detail

Is this tire available with a 17-inch rim? If so, can you help us to find it on Taobao? Thank you for all you help; we really enjoy having you with us on these forums. :)

[Weldangrind]

HB, can you point to a decent shop manual for the PA50?

[humanbeing]

http://www.mopedarmy.com/wiki/Honda

[Weldangrind]

Awesome! Thanks for the quick response!

[Weldangrind]

Can you point to a parts manual for the ZS250GS?

[FLASHLIGHTBOY]

I think it was posted before but how do you get it to translate to English if there is no English block to click on??

[Weldangrind]

I need to find some parts for a YL813. It was made by Zhejiang Yongkang Easy Vehicle Company. Can you point to a Taobao link?

[humanbeing]

Quad parts choice is limited in taobao. Use generic keyword "四轮" / "沙滩车"

[Weldangrind]

Thanks for your reply; I got the same results with both words, which were only complete atv's. If Taobao is limited, what do you recommend? I've tried searching aliexpress, but I'm not finding much.

[humanbeing]

Don't ask me... God knows… as lyrics said.
CrjwdKZA85w

[Weldangrind]

Thanks anyway. I'm very grateful that you take the time to respond.

[Lucien]

Don't ask me... God knows… as lyrics said.
CrjwdKZA85w

Humanbeing is the man..

[humanbeing]

Humanbeing is the man..
That song =
Fight hard for love
Suffering doesn't matter
Don't ask how destiny go by
I love u forever
Nobody to replace
Our life is half u & me
Fight for ups & downs in life
Not scare the pain known by God
Filled up with sad & despair
Lifetime journey regardless win or lose
Teased by fate, live MUST going on
Not afraid teasing in my life
Love won't break in lifetime
The final result
God knows…
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That song is one of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_pop
Hokkien http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkien is quite useful in SE Asia.
Although in Teochew http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teochew_dialect The IMPORTANT words in ~00:35 is similar [ Set 放 / FIRE 火 ]
Fg_YS8rLwMg

[recracer]

Hey humanbeing have searched and searched since I have had this overhead cam engine . all I ever find are the pushrod 167fmm . seems it is a bit rare . anything you could find about it I would really appreciate . http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq127/recracer/viva%20200/DSC00387.jpg (http://s440.photobucket.com/user/recracer/media/viva%20200/DSC00387.jpg.html) http://i440.photobucket.com/albums/qq127/recracer/viva%20200/KGrHqJg4E0ejmZ6ysBNch90zp_12.jpg (http://s440.photobucket.com/user/recracer/media/viva%20200/KGrHqJg4E0ejmZ6ysBNch90zp_12.jpg.html)

[humanbeing]

Search bigger brother "167FMM" (cb250) .

[recracer]

Search bigger brother "167FMM" (cb250) .

Thank you very much for the tip . I have searched it a bit with no results . cb250 mostly come up with a 165fmm cb250 . I will keep searching . Thank you I won't give up yet

[Weldangrind]

Recracer, I have several items bookmarked. Are you looking for anything specific?

[recracer]

Recracer, I have several items bookmarked. Are you looking for anything specific?

Not looking for anything at the moment , I have never found another overhead cam 167fmm , any place I have looked . Should I need anything I am bit lost . Would a pushrod 167fmm piston and rings fit , I don't know . but a pushrod cylinder won't fit for sure . seems the most common is the 165fmm or 166fmm depending where you look. 169fmm cb overhead cam comes up a bit also . searching cb250

[recracer]

http://www.tjskl.org.cn/products/cz154f2c5/xb35_250_ohc_dirt_bike-pz2292211.html found it Xmotos used the ohc style 167fmm

[Weldangrind]

It really depends on what the bore is. I think the piston I bought was 69mm, but I'm not sure.

[Weldangrind]

HB, do you know of a centrifugal clutch that would work for the CG200?

[humanbeing]

Universal "9" http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38702236969 | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=43236458998 OR that "20" http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9666779672 as http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14262&page=2

[recracer]

HB, do you know of a centrifugal clutch that would work for the CG200? I just saw someplace that offered a reckluse clutch for our Chinese engines ,but I can't remember where now. found it http://shop.pitsterpro.com/clutchandengineperformance.aspx

[Weldangrind]

Universal "9" http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=38702236969 | http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=43236458998 OR that "20" http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9666779672 as http://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=14262&page=2

I'm quite new at this. Which one do you think is best for my CG200?

[Weldangrind]

I just saw someplace that offered a reckluse clutch for our Chinese engines ,but I can't remember where now. found it http://shop.pitsterpro.com/clutchandengineperformance.aspx

That's pretty steep! I think I'll try the TB option.

Thanks for the link. :tup:

[recracer]

I could be wrong ,but I feel like the tb clutches are starter gear one way clutches

[humanbeing]

I could be wrong ,but I feel like the tb clutches are starter gear one way clutches
Weldangrind is looking for "centrifugal clutch" ie starter gear

[recracer]

Weldangrind is looking for "centrifugal clutch" ie starter gear

Ok good my misunderstanding :doh:

[Weldangrind]

Weldangrind is looking for "centrifugal clutch" ie starter gear

No, Recracer understands what I want. I'm looking for a centrifugal clutch instead of a manual clutch. My Dad had a hand injury many years ago that cost him a finger, and it's difficult for him to clutch when it is cold outside. I could solve that with a centrifugal clutch.

HB, do you know of anything like that on TB?

[humanbeing]

http://www.zsengine.com/Product/ProductInfo.aspx?ID=315
This type existed in freight trike . Will those parts works in good 'o air cool CG200, no one knows.
Keywords: "自动离合" (auto separate-join) & "200"
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Shift up w/o clutch lever is quite easy on these machine... http://www.motorcycleforum.com/showthread.php?t=90558

[Weldangrind]

I've found two links that look like they could be what I'm after:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.93.H68fDc&id=43184609103&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.58.H68fDc&id=41943222671&ns=1&abbucket=8#detail

Any comments from anybody on what we're seeing?

[recracer]

I inquired about these. maybe they will let me know ,during china work hours http://cqtianzhong.en.alibaba.com/product/284444442-209809766/motorcycle_engine_clutch.html

[humanbeing]

I inquired about these. maybe they will let me know ,during china work hours http://cqtianzhong.en.alibaba.com/product/284444442-209809766/motorcycle_engine_clutch.html

Parts shop's pic had more details (Lots bike mechanic in mainland China is dyslexia ..., so pic is A MUST ) :
http://shop106450385.taobao.com/category-925333642.htm

[Weldangrind]

That link took me to a login screen.

[recracer]

I inquired about these. maybe they will let me know ,during china work hours http://cqtianzhong.en.alibaba.com/product/284444442-209809766/motorcycle_engine_clutch.html

They were not willing to chat about it . dismissed right away with we have no EPA. I like your idea of auto clutch for your dad , Also makes me wonder why trail riders like auto clutches . may be hard to confirm a fit .http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Clutch-Parts-For-BAJAJ-200CC-Overrunning_60134105163.html

[Weldangrind]

Trail riders love 'em because they don't need to constantly clutch at low speeds when crawling over stuff. As well, the absence of a clutch lever allows you to add a supplementary rear brake lever, tied into the rear caliper. You can then put both knees up on the seat for crossing rivers and creeks.

[Weldangrind]

That link took me to a login screen.

Ok, after I hit refresh enough times, I got past the login screen. Does anybody have any theories about the clutch basket with the spring on the back side? I'm guessing those are just for smooth take-off with heavy loads. I doubt that it's an automatic clutch.

[recracer]

yes I think those are jutter springs for offroad shock loads

[Weldangrind]

yes I think those are jutter springs for offroad shock loads

I agree. I think they're intended for the three-wheeled Lifan pickups, to ease the takeoff when hauling a heavy load. Makes me wonder if there would be a benefit on a DS.

[recracer]

I am still looking to find what you need , interest me as well . hmm no engine braking

[Weldangrind]

There is still engine braking, but you can't ease into it by revving the motor to match the wheel speed. I can live with that.

[recracer]

http://moboshi.en.alibaba.com/product/60131488537-221461871/OEM_hot_selling_motorcycle_parts_for_CG150_automat ic_centrifugal_clutch_from_China.html it appears in this setup that the centrifugal clutch is mounted to the crankshaft and retains the normal clutch basket

[Weldangrind]

Interesting. I wonder what the price is.

[recracer]

Interesting. I wonder what the price is.

I will find out . I did get a nice sales girl ,Named June to speak to me on this site . She was being as helpful as she could . I am sure she never was Questioned about retro-fitting automatic clutch before . 2 concerns I have about this one . Case clearance and what happens to the oil that goes to the centrifugal filter .

[recracer]

picture from Dan's motorcycles repair

[Weldangrind]

I watched a Youtube video on old Honda ATC centrifugal clutches as well, and they looked just the image you found at Dan's. I'm beginning to think that an old ATC engine is the best move. I could always combine the transmission with a CG230 motor.

[SpudRider]

Brother Dan posts a lot of good information. :tup:

http://www.dansmc.com/mc_repaircourse.htm

[recracer]

Seems a retro-fit makes no sense . I watched the you tube videos and see the manual clutch gets actuated by the shifter on a gear change . IE no help for your dad . We would still need our clutch lever or change to much , for it to be reasonable. Whole automatic engine seems a better way to go. That being said ,for the rest of us . We would still be able to revved clutch drops and roll to a stop without holding the clutch in .

[Weldangrind]

I've ridden a Honda Big Red, and there was no clutch lever. It was a true semi-auto with a five speed transmission and a centrifugal clutch. If I could find one, it would meet his needs.

[Weldangrind]

A semi-auto would also be an excellent teaching tool for new riders.

[Adjuster]

My original motor for my bike is a 49cc 4 speed semi auto. It does in fact have a lever activated clutch but its built into the foot shift lever. When you apply slight pressure to the shift lever it activates the clutch, then as you apply more pressure it shifts the gears.


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[Weldangrind]

That's the same setup as the small horizontal Hondas, and I believe the ATC's are also like that.

[recracer]

That is what I meant to convey , It would be difficult for us to employ gearshift clutch action , in a retrofit to our engines . https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h_doQ2-Ldko&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688

[katoranger]

Will be on the lookout for a big red motor. I see lots of those old ATC around here.

[Weldangrind]

That is what I meant to convey , It would be difficult for us to employ gearshift clutch action , in a retrofit to our engines . https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=h_doQ2-Ldko&x-yt-cl=84503534&x-yt-ts=1421914688

That is exactly what I thought you meant. Thanks for the vid.

[Weldangrind]

Will be on the lookout for a big red motor. I see lots of those old ATC around here.

I'm going to do the same. It must be chain drive, but I suspect that it could be a 185 instead of a 200. The parts will likely cross over.

If I find one cheap enough, I'm gonna try building a Frankenstein motor.

[katoranger]

I will be looking. They are around.

[recracer]

Interesting zongshen calls this engine a double clutch . It has a provided clutch lever for a cable hook up as well as a centrifugal clutch http://www.zse.cc/productsdetail.aspx?ProductsCateId=45&ProductsID=422

[Weldangrind]

Interesting. Do you see where they actually offer the clutches for sale, or only the complete engine?

[Weldangrind]

Humanbeing, are you able to ask your friends on Chinese forums about installing a centrifugal clutch in a CG200? Somebody must have done one.

[recracer]

No . I just found this . I have no details other than this site . First think that strikes me right away,is the side cover with 2 larger round places . A sales girl in china is trying to find out more for me . covers maybe interchangable

[Weldangrind]

I doubt it. The centrifugal clutch runs off of the crankshaft, and it sticks out quite a bit (on the ATC's at least). I don't think a standard cover would have the clearance.

[recracer]

I doubt it. The centrifugal clutch runs off of the crankshaft, and it sticks out quite a bit (on the ATC's at least). I don't think a standard cover would have the clearance.

oh I mean maybe we could use the double clutch cover and add a centrifugal clutch. if there is not a difference on the crankshaft end . This would still need a clutch lever and cable . Really this setup is automatic for sitting still in gear. of course we can upshift without a clutch . downshifting a little harder

[Weldangrind]

HB, I'm looking at this kit for my CB200. Is there a better piston you can recommend for this setup? http://world.taobao.com/item/15171992878.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a230r.1.14.109.DKkOcA

[humanbeing]

HB, I'm looking at this kit for my CB200. Is there a better piston you can recommend for this setup? http://world.taobao.com/item/15171992878.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a230r.1.14.109.DKkOcA

That 200 was Chonda (63.5mm) or ZS (69mm) ? http://world.taobao.com/item/15550565903.htm
Shipping cost may kill the fun... (The CG kit http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8432093238 is ~12kg already | This kit weights more than CG )

[Weldangrind]

That 200 was Chonda (63.5mm) or ZS (69mm) ? http://world.taobao.com/item/15550565903.htm
Shipping cost may kill the fun... (The CG kit http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8432093238 is ~12kg already | This kit weights more than CG )

It is the ZS 69mm bore. I bought a CB250 crank to go with it, but you convinced me that it's not worth the trouble. Do you know the CB250 stroke? I'm guessing that it's around 66mm.

[Weldangrind]

HB, do you know of a China equivalent to the Kawasaki CS250 or BR250?

[Weldangrind]

HB, can you point to any information about the PGO scooters between 1972 and 1982? I can't find anything from those years.