Dong Fang DF250RTG

[KyzoSoupz]

Countershaft is 20mm.
22381

[KyzoSoupz]

Garunteed to fit, I'm ordering one. 20mm hole, 6 teeth for the countershaft

https://www.ebay.com/itm/428-18T-20mm-Sprocket-Pit-ATV-Bike-Motorcycle-125-140-160-Lifan-YX-Pitster-SSR/321225010115?hash=item4aca80abc3:g:g1AAAOxy86RSVQ4 G

[JerryHawk250]

Garunteed to fit, I'm ordering one. 20mm hole, 6 teeth for the countershaft

https://www.ebay.com/itm/428-18T-20mm-Sprocket-Pit-ATV-Bike-Motorcycle-125-140-160-Lifan-YX-Pitster-SSR/321225010115?hash=item4aca80abc3:g:g1AAAOxy86RSVQ4 G

The JTF259 Sprockets will fit. https://www.amazon.com/JT-Sprockets-JTF259-17-Steel-Sprocket/dp/B004DNA0KA/ref=pd_vtp_263_1/143-0680849-0241229?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B004DNA0KA&pd_rd_r=5d627092-17c3-4b2b-8fe5-6340111b193e&pd_rd_w=ZEEO9&pd_rd_wg=QVoIl&pf_rd_p=2f0ac0b2-44b6-4a63-a1f1-ced82560ff89&pf_rd_r=C0H26Z2PHMFQ8N5GK388&psc=1&refRID=C0H26Z2PHMFQ8N5GK388

[Barnone]

The DF comes with a 17 tooth front sprocket. Not sure a 18 will fit. I put a smaller rear sprocket on mine.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003CK56KO/ref=nosim/refuge08-20

My DF is still for sale.

[franque]

It's a reflection of the outside diameter of the sprocket with the chain installed, and clearance thereof. 18t front sprockets generally don't fit without grinding the case. I wasn't talking about the countershaft, the ID of the splines don't change with tooth count.

[Barnone]

^^^^^
That is why I went with a smaller rear sprocket to increase the gearing which works just fine on my DF here in the mountains of Western North Carolina.

[KyzoSoupz]

Here are the lights I purchased.

Forklights, extremely bright:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pair-Bright-Amber-LED-Fork-Strips-Turn-Signal-Lights-For-Motorcycle-Universal/401952305732?pageci=0d4b885a-fecc-4b35-babc-37bdc0fe2d5b&epid=21022799631

All in one tail lights, very bright. You may need too makeshift a sun visor to keep the sunlight out of the tail lights so people can see them but trust me, they will see them:
https://www.radiantz.com/Turns-and-Brake-Z-Flex-strips-p/470x-xxxx.htm

[Barnone]

I sold my DF today so am down to the scooter and the TU250X.

[grumpyunk]

KyzoSoupz ... are you in Canton? Someone had a DF on marketplace fromCanton(near me) that I made an offer on, but he sold it just before I messaged him. He had a crunched gas tank also and the bike was red. I sure likem. But. Instead of a DF I got a CSC sg250. It needed some crunched parts and to have the drain plug port re-threaded(insert worked). I'd still like to get a DF250RTG if one comes up at a good price and isn't more than a couple hundred miles away.
tom

[Joe Schutts]

Countershaft is 20mm.
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Is that 20mm Counter Shaft on a Venom X22R or a Hawk 250 or what???

[JerryHawk250]

Is that 20mm Counter Shaft on a Venom X22R or a Hawk 250 or what???
If you are looking for a front sprocket for your X22R 250 it will be a JTF259.xx

https://www.amazon.com/JT-Sprockets-JTF259-17-Steel-Sprocket/dp/B004DNA0KA/ref=pd_bxgy_2/130-7255805-4534159?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B004DNA0KA&pd_rd_r=c5292e42-dd26-4c9d-b947-ca0f9cd9b26a&pd_rd_w=XYz3N&pd_rd_wg=KrY5x&pf_rd_p=f325d01c-4658-4593-be83-3e12ca663f0e&pf_rd_r=VPYPQX2PB5VZJ5ACBQM6&psc=1&refRID=VPYPQX2PB5VZJ5ACBQM6

[Oldenslow]

Got 1200 miles on the bike now..... so far so good but one issue..... constant rear wheel alignment.... I think I'm going to change the washers on the back because they are no good. But should all be good afterwards.

Of course, it's been months and this problem is probably resolved by now. BUT -- a tip. Add a second nut to those chain adjusters. Once you adjust everything, tighten the second nut behind the first to act as a jam nut. They'll never vibrate loose again -- which is what's happening in this scenario. I wonder how much production money they saved by eliminating those two jam nuts?

[Johnnyshanks]

So I'm looking to upgrade the headlights and rear turn signals on my DF and have few questions.

What size are the headlight bulbs, and are there any LED Bulbs for the head light that are plug and play?

What size is the rear turn signal fitting? Could I use any universal fit signals?

I wasn't a huge fan of all the plastics and my rear signals finally cracked and broke off the mounts, but damn do I still love the bike.

[mzweig]

A friend of ours bought a new DF250RTG. Because I am an experienced motorcyclist and bike mechanic (I have owned 300+ bikes over the last 50 years and have restored many), she had it sent to our house for assembly. I wanted to share my experience thus far with it.

To start with, the place she ordered from (gokartsusa.com) made her pay with a wire transfer and then took forever to ship it—six weeks or more. Horrible communications too. When the bike finally arrived, it was assembled and on a falling-apart pallet held down with tiedowns. Because they weren’t hooked up properly, the left side cover was destroyed. Also the left rear turn signal was broken off. The handlebars (super cheap flat bars) were bent. The fuel tank has several small dents. The other side over was scratched as was the muffler. There was either a nameplate or reflector missing on the front of the bike.

There was only one bar-end mirror instead of four as shown. The front forks were loose in their triple trees. The front wheel was loose. The shifter was installed incorrectly—had to be removed and reinstalled about a half inch further onto the shaft. We are missing a bolt under the seat and a nut for the clutch lever. There is a clutch cut off plunger switch just dangling with nowhere to hook it up that I could find. The whole bike needed to be gone through. One problem I cannot fix is too much slack in the throttle cable and I have the adjusters all the way out but can’t correct it. We got no MSO and no manual with it.

Since then, I ordered new bars and turn signals for it on Amazon, glued the sidecover back together, and put decals over the dented tank areas. I have a set of bar end mirrors I will install when the new bars go on.

I fired the bike up after charging the battery and figuring out it had an almost unreachable choke lever and that the little gas in the tank wasn’t enough to get to the carb. As someone who owns a Janus Halcyon 250 (which also has a 229 cc Chinese engine) I was surprised how fast this little DF is (and it is very little!). Much faster than the Janus. Or I should say quicker. It’s geared lower than my Janus. It also has a Japanese carburetor on it which I was surprised to see. All I had to do was turn up the idle some. Sounds good. Very surprised how it runs.

The bike is very small. Feels like a Honda 90. Seat height is 28”. Weight is low. Small fuel tank. Tiny headlight, signals, fenders, seat, and taillight. Don’t understand why they would install a heel-and-toe shifter. No tach. Speedo and odometer are in kilometers. Overall quality is not impressive. Paint quality is pretty poor. Lighting is super cheap. Front forks are the cheapest spindly things I have ever seen! But overall what are you going to get for this kind of money? It cost a fourth of what my Janus did and when you see it or work on it you can see why. That said, it’s a bargain. I don’t think it is a bad first bike at all and will be perfect for our friend to learn on. Anyone with minor mechanical skills could probably keep it going.

I have to laugh a little at those who think you can’t ride a new bike like this over 30 for the first 500 miles. It’s a matter of revs and not running it at sustained high rpm or putting too much load on it to break it in. It is good for an engine like this to run it hard for a short bit when new. And some people change the oil three times in 500 miles! I will do this thing at 500 miles for the first time. These pushrod engines are bulletproof and they sell millions of them in third world countries. A new engine is $600 turn key. I would not be too worried about it. It will be fine. These engines are bulletproof!

[tony_cr]

Edit: A reply about gearing but I realized I misunderstood a previous reply.



Too bad, if these could cruise at 70mph with low rpm, that'd be better for gas mileage and longevity. That said, I'm really torn between this bike and the Ghost. The DF250 is so minimal which I love but almost too minimal. A trip odometer and even a gas gauge would be good as well as alloy wheels. Someone mentioned the spokes coming off or wheels not being true. I don't know how much of an issue it typically is with motorcycles but I think I'd trust the alloy rims of the Ghost more. I know, alloys defeat the cafe racer aesthetic but I like some modernism. I'm a few days away from pulling the trigger on either one. Maybe someone here can convince me of the DF250 because my bank account would appreciate it at $1k less.

[Jeshmont]

I know you asked for someone to convince you to buy the cheaper bike but I'm sorry as much as I dig a minimal bike I think these look like a toy compared to the Ghost I think the Ghost looks more refined and I don't know if anybody has a write up of info for the smaller bike so that may inhibit your modifications just another thought


Consider me very biased though cause I'm in love with my new Ghost LOL :D

[JerryHawk250]

I know you asked for someone to convince you to buy the cheaper bike but I'm sorry as much as I dig a minimal bike I think these look like a toy compared to the Ghost I think the Ghost looks more refined and I don't know if anybody has a write up of info for the smaller bike so that may inhibit your modifications just another thought


Consider me very biased though cause I'm in love with my new Ghost LOL :D

I have to agree with you. The DF250RTG is a nice looking bike and had looked at getting one myself until the Ghost came out. Even though they share the same engine, The Ghost is a much bigger bike. It also has more upgraded feature such as a digital Speedometer with Tach and USB port. Aluminum wheels with tubeless tires and i own one. :lmao: But the DF250RTG is still a cool looking bike.

[Barnone]

I sold my DF250RTG last year and might buy another one as I miss it.
Do like the tubeless tires on the Ghost. My long gone DF250RTB had tubeless tires with spoke wheels.

[Barnone]

A friend of ours bought a new DF250RTG. Because I am an experienced motorcyclist and bike mechanic (I have owned 300+ bikes over the last 50 years and have restored many), she had it sent to our house for assembly. I wanted to share my experience thus far with it.

To start with, the place she ordered from (gokartsusa.com) made her pay with a wire transfer and then took forever to ship it—six weeks or more. Horrible communications too. When the bike finally arrived, it was assembled and on a falling-apart pallet held down with tiedowns. Because they weren’t hooked up properly, the left side cover was destroyed. Also the left rear turn signal was broken off. The handlebars (super cheap flat bars) were bent. The fuel tank has several small dents. The other side over was scratched as was the muffler. There was either a nameplate or reflector missing on the front of the bike.

There was only one bar-end mirror instead of four as shown. The front forks were loose in their triple trees. The front wheel was loose. The shifter was installed incorrectly—had to be removed and reinstalled about a half inch further onto the shaft. We are missing a bolt under the seat and a nut for the clutch lever. There is a clutch cut off plunger switch just dangling with nowhere to hook it up that I could find. The whole bike needed to be gone through. One problem I cannot fix is too much slack in the throttle cable and I have the adjusters all the way out but can’t correct it. We got no MSO and no manual with it.

Since then, I ordered new bars and turn signals for it on Amazon, glued the sidecover back together, and put decals over the dented tank areas. I have a set of bar end mirrors I will install when the new bars go on.

I fired the bike up after charging the battery and figuring out it had an almost unreachable choke lever and that the little gas in the tank wasn’t enough to get to the carb. As someone who owns a Janus Halcyon 250 (which also has a 229 cc Chinese engine) I was surprised how fast this little DF is (and it is very little!). Much faster than the Janus. Or I should say quicker. It’s geared lower than my Janus. It also has a Japanese carburetor on it which I was surprised to see. All I had to do was turn up the idle some. Sounds good. Very surprised how it runs.

The bike is very small. Feels like a Honda 90. Seat height is 28”. Weight is low. Small fuel tank. Tiny headlight, signals, fenders, seat, and taillight. Don’t understand why they would install a heel-and-toe shifter. No tach. Speedo and odometer are in kilometers. Overall quality is not impressive. Paint quality is pretty poor. Lighting is super cheap. Front forks are the cheapest spindly things I have ever seen! But overall what are you going to get for this kind of money? It cost a fourth of what my Janus did and when you see it or work on it you can see why. That said, it’s a bargain. I don’t think it is a bad first bike at all and will be perfect for our friend to learn on. Anyone with minor mechanical skills could probably keep it going.

I have to laugh a little at those who think you can’t ride a new bike like this over 30 for the first 500 miles. It’s a matter of revs and not running it at sustained high rpm or putting too much load on it to break it in. It is good for an engine like this to run it hard for a short bit when new. And some people change the oil three times in 500 miles! I will do this thing at 500 miles for the first time. These pushrod engines are bulletproof and they sell millions of them in third world countries. A new engine is $600 turn key. I would not be too worried about it. It will be fine. These engines are bulletproof!
Nice review of the DF250RTG. I had one for several years and the only serious problem where some broken spokes on the rear wheel. The spokes were not seated correctly and luckily I found some new spokes which I replaced and had the wheel trued.
BTW. The engine has a an overhead cam called a Camshaft Upward in the doc here.
http://www.df-motor.com/product_show.asp?id=750

I might buy another one to fool around with.

[JerryHawk250]

Well it looks like Venom will have the DF250RTG back in stock again. I always liked this bike. I bet it's been over a year that it's been out of stock. https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/products/sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg

[Barnone]

Well it looks like Venom will have the DF250RTG back in stock again. I always liked this bike. I bet it's been over a year that it's been out of stock. https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/products/sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg

I am tempted to buy another one. Just bough another Ice Bear Vision 150 scooter so am up to four motos.

[snsouth]

Hey All! @Barnone, I’m the one who bought your RTG in NC. Fun bike and working out well in Asheville! I haven’t had to do much to it, just upgraded some lights, and messing with the carb so it will start without the choke. I'm new to the motorbike game, and I'm starting the search for a new front wheel & disc, as they have warped. I’m not having much luck with on eBay- there are a few used options for a CG125 wheel/disc from UK, but not in great shape. Just a front disc is $130 on eBay…so I feel like I’m going about this search wrong. Anyone have other leads on parts? Am I overcomplicating it by searching specifically a CG125 front wheel & disc, or is this a more common setup. Cheers!

[Falkon45]

Hey All! @Barnone, I’m the one who bought your RTG in NC. Fun bike and working out well in Asheville! I haven’t had to do much to it, just upgraded some lights, and messing with the carb so it will start without the choke. I'm new to the motorbike game, and I'm starting the search for a new front wheel & disc, as they have warped. I’m not having much luck with on eBay- there are a few used options for a CG125 wheel/disc from UK, but not in great shape. Just a front disc is $130 on eBay…so I feel like I’m going about this search wrong. Anyone have other leads on parts? Am I overcomplicating it by searching specifically a CG125 front wheel & disc, or is this a more common setup. Cheers!


If the wheel is warped, see if you can true the wheel first, as long as the rim is not bent. For the rotor, it looks like a dirt bike rotor, but I could be wrong. Check the diameter and the offset of the rotor. And bolt holes and bolt hole spacing

[JerryHawk250]

Hey All! @Barnone, I’m the one who bought your RTG in NC. Fun bike and working out well in Asheville! I haven’t had to do much to it, just upgraded some lights, and messing with the carb so it will start without the choke. I'm new to the motorbike game, and I'm starting the search for a new front wheel & disc, as they have warped. I’m not having much luck with on eBay- there are a few used options for a CG125 wheel/disc from UK, but not in great shape. Just a front disc is $130 on eBay…so I feel like I’m going about this search wrong. Anyone have other leads on parts? Am I overcomplicating it by searching specifically a CG125 front wheel & disc, or is this a more common setup. Cheers!
Try contacting Venom Motorsports.

[Barnone]

snsouth,
What has warped or bent?? Is the rim or the brake rotor? Can you post a picture of the front wheel? Don't know how the wheel or disk would warp unless you hit something.



I am in Florida for a few more months and would like to take a look at it when I get back to WNC.

Also why adjust a carb so you don't have to choke it when it is cold? You probably have it running too rich which might cause damage to the engine.

[TN_Bear71]

Hello All,

I just signed onto the group. My friend just bought a 2018 DONGFANG 250RTG and I am going to be the one working on it. She is the 2nd or 3rd owner. She just bought it Sunday so I haven't had a chance to go through it but I am trying to find where to get parts, manuals, wiring diagrams, etc. If anyone has information they would share I would greatly appreciate it. I am hoping this weekend to start looking at the bike and seeing what needs to be done to it.

Thanks

[Barnone]

I guess you didn't get the owner's manual as it had a wiring diagram.

[TN_Bear71]

No just the bike, I did find a place in Texas that has some parts and sent me a list of what they have.

[SlotaJ]

Ordered a 2022 from venom motorsports last week, should be here in 2-3 weeks they said. I've really appreciate all the contributions you have all put into this post. You've all given some good insight and I feel confident going forward thanks to everyone's advice and knowledge. I'll update when she arrives

[Barnone]

Ordered a 2022 from venom motorsports last week, should be here in 2-3 weeks they said. I've really appreciate all the contributions you have all put into this post. You've all given some good insight and I feel confident going forward thanks to everyone's advice and knowledge. I'll update when she arrives

Congrats. Leave it stock! People start modifying them and cause all kinds of issues.
If it is not fast enough for you then buy a more powerful motorcycle. My 2 cents!
I am thinking about buying another one to ride in the mountains of WNC. I will be there at our cabin close to Robbinsville soon.

[SlotaJ]

It just arrived yesterday, starts right up and runs with no issues. Rode it for about an hour and nothing but smiles the whole time. Plenty enough power for me for what I want it for. I'd share a picture but it says it exceeds file size

[SlotaJ]

Any tips for carb tuning? I've noticed unless it's in full choke it doesn't run quite right especially at higher speeds. It also dies at idle if I go to turn the choke all the way off

[franque]

It needs bigger pilot and main jets.

[Barnone]

If I remember right the choke has 3 positions which are top-full choke, middle-half choke, down-no choke.

[grumpyunk]

If it cannot be adjusted richer for idle, then a larger jet would be necessary. Chicago is not that high in elevation, so would in general not need a richer jet than factory.
I suspect some crud in the main jet and a need to fiddle with the idle mixture needle. Try turning the mixture screw out 1/2 turn and see if it like it. Drop the float bowl, and use a mirror to look up into the main jet area. If it were gummed from evaporated fuel deposits, the emulsion tube ports would likely be closed, leading to a too-rich mixture or one that had 'droplets' instead of a fuel:air emulsion(fuel full of bubbled).
The emulsion tube in most sticks up into the venturi and can be pushed down and it should drop out. Of course from the FarEast it could be super-glued into place due to tolerance issues...
Should be a fun machine!
tom

[NoResource95]

I recently purchased a white DF250RTG and have been utilizing this thread to source parts for small modifications. So far I've changed the seat, handlebars, grips, turn signals and I have a racing carburetor I'm considering installing after the bike is broken in. My current project is installing this digital speedometer from amazon

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51X641Sk+LL._SX522_.jpg

Others in the thread have discussed that they installed this specific digital speedo on their bikes. Can anyone provide information on how the wires should hook up to the harness on the bike? As in which colors are the ground and power wire on the original speedo etc.

Cheers

[grumpyunk]

I installed one on a Jonway after modifying the damaged cluster face. Setting it up properly was akin to playing blind mans bluff with mittens on.
I will insert my description of how to do the settings at the bottom.

I found two things:
The calculation for the speedometer adjustment did not work as I figured. I had to decrease the calculated factor by 1/3 to make it accurate. The number is supposed to be the number of wheel revolutions in one kilometer, essentially. It could be the gearing down at the hub was not as expected.
The tachometer never did work properly. It showed about 5k with the engine, 139QMB, at idle. It pegged the tach quickly. The '4 cylinder' setting gave lower rpm indications, but was still significantly incorrect.
The same speedo is available from aliexpress for about 1/3 less than the DaRiver price.
....
HOW TO SET Color and adjustable parameters:
tire rotations/Km(or minute), Kph/mph, tach 2 or 4cyl, fuel gauge 2 or 3 wire

Backlight Color Selection:
press the button in the ODO(normal key ON) state and hold for 3 seconds to switch the backlight color(there are supposed to be 7). Display will rotate through the available colors. Release at desired color. You must be quick. Eschew utterings of disdain for the designer who could have slowed it down.

ODO / Trip Meter:
With the key ON, Short Press the button to switch between ODO and TRIP METER selections.
I think while displaying the TRIP METER, pressing and holding will reset, but my TRIP is at zero...
---
Following settings adjust for Tire diameter KPH/MPH TACH and FUEL GAUGE

To get into settings mode PRESS and HOLD the button and then switch the
ignition to ON.(key on) The screen displays P0000.

SETTING mode is ENABLED by adjusting to display: P6610

At this time, ONES place 0 will flash
LONG press until TENS place starts to flash,
SHORT PRESS once to make TENS place display 1 P0010
LONG PRESS press until HUNDREDS place flashes
SHORT PRESS 6 times to display 6. P0610
LONG PRESS until THOUSANDS place flashes,
SHORT PRESS 6 times to display 6, P6610
The screen shows P6610 FOR A FEW(really few) SECONDS which is the 'key'
to get into the SETTING mode and enable changes.

Screen will display 00466 from the factory(actually I forget) which is the factor
for wheel rpms per 1,000 meters. (1Km)

Adjusting speed accuracy for tire circumference:
The original instructions to set speedo ratio said to:
Do the ones, tens, hundreds to make the screen show 00466,
46.6HZ corresponds to front wheel RPMs at 60KM/H. The minutes cancel out
if you divide 1,000 meters by the diameter in meters.

Use the SHORT PRESS to change number,
Use the LONG PRESS to get to the next column.

.... Explanation
The number entered reflects the number of rotations of the tire/wheel
EVERY MINUTE at 60Kph, which conveniently obfuscated is the number or rotations in 1,000
meters. (60KPH==1K per minute==1,000M)

60 Kph == 60,000 meters/hr divided by 60 min per hr
60,000/60 = 1,000 meters per minute
1,000 meters divided by circumference equals tire revolutions
per KM == number_entered

calculate your circumference(Pi X Diameter) in meters.
Many cycle tire sizes listed here:
https://www.heidenautires.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/specs-sheet-18-Rev.1.pdf

An example front tire is a 130/60-13, circumference from the above PDF
table is 57.8" OR 1468mm or 1.468 meters. Divide 1,000 by your circumference in meters giving tire rotations. Approximately 681.2.
Enter 681 in the speedo for the given tire & wheel combination.
**************
682 did not work... read 10mph when going 15mph per GPS speedo.
So, 681* .66(2/3) should work. 454.36 revs(signals or TURNS of the cable for 1,000m
Using 454 as the factor number.

Once the final number is entered, LONG press to get to the
thousands column,hold until it flashes and release to exit the TIRE RPM setting
and get the display as noted below, indicating for KPH/MPH.

KPH/MPH setting

The screen displays 1-001, which means KpH,
To keep KPH do a short press to skip this step,
if you want to switch to MPH,
LONG PRESS press switch to get ones column blinking, and then
SHORT press to display 1-002 which indicates that you have set it to MPH.
LONG press to get to the next setting

3.Cylinder Setting for Tachometer
Use the SHORT/LONG procedure as in the above steps to set the ones digit.
SHORT press the button to make the screen to display 2-002, indicating that
this is a 2-cylinder.
SHORT press skip to the next step leaving as a 2 cylinder.
LONG press until ones place flash, then SHORT press to make the 2 a 4,
which means 4 cylinders. Confusing with 'lost spark' ignitions, but apparently
2 cyl works for cycles that fire on each revolution.(NOT)
SHORT press to step to the next setting.

4. Fuel gauge settings. Follow the above steps, SHORT press the until screen displays 3-002, which means that this is a 2-line oil meter, SHORT press to save all settings and exit, LONG press until ones place flash, and then LONG press to display 3-003, that means has switched to 3-line oil gauge.
{A two-line gauge had a HOT and a GROUND only. A THREE line has a HOT & GROUND and a lead that come from the cluster} I think many scooters are three line.
........ end of instrux & explain .....
I think the BK/R wire is for the tachometer. I connected it to the CDI wire that was running the ignition coil.
The W/BL wire is for the fuel gauge. If you have 3 wires, one increases as fuel level rises, the other decreases.(most that have 3 wire) Pick one, and touch it to the BL/W wire, turn the key to ON. If you have a half tank, good luck. Try the other wire, same way, and if you are not at a half tank it should indicate properly, or show the opposite condition.
I used short lengths of wire with alligator clips to temporarily connect to power & ground. One of the cluster light bulbs had switched power & ground, so it was convenient.
- tom

[NoResource95]

My white DF250RTG
Current modifications: Bars, grips, mirrors, digital speedo, seat, blinkers

Speedo still needs to be programmed and I need to figure out a mount. Any suggestions on universal mounts for the gauge cluster? I was thinking one of these might work?

http://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51Zh65EK8oL._AC_UY327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51FuuHaoeuL._AC_UY327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61A7OQNKu5L._AC_UY327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg
If anyone is interested in the stock parts I deleted let me know. I don't plan to use the bars, mirrors, or seat for anything. Located in Pensacola FL

[grumpyunk]

Lookng good. Did it become clear that the tachometer function did not work as advertised? Wanted to be sure you know that before deleting permanently all your gauges. The speedo worked and could be made very close to actual, the fuel gauge worked, with 4 blobby sections, and it also flashes when the fuel level is low.(just the lower portion of the display), and the trip meter is nice to have, IMO, as I would reset it at each fill of the tank, and learn soonly how far I should be able to go before needing to start looking for a fuel stop.
tom

[NoResource95]

Lookng good. Did it become clear that the tachometer function did not work as advertised? Wanted to be sure you know that before deleting permanently all your gauges. The speedo worked and could be made very close to actual, the fuel gauge worked, with 4 blobby sections, and it also flashes when the fuel level is low.(just the lower portion of the display), and the trip meter is nice to have, IMO, as I would reset it at each fill of the tank, and learn soonly how far I should be able to go before needing to start looking for a fuel stop.
tom

Thanks Tom! When I purchased the gauge I wasn't too concerned about getting the tach to function (The bike doesn't have one to begin with). I was attracted to the gauge for the ability to change everything to miles, mph, and have a trip meter. This bike doesn't have a fuel gauge either and I'm curious if it's possible or worth the effort to install a float so that I can wire that feature up.

[Barnone]

Think I will buy another when I get back to Florida and get over the damage caused by hurricane Ian.

[Falkon45]

I'm sorry man.

[JerryHawk250]

Hope the damage is not too bad. I know the mess these hurricanes can do. I'm still make repairs from Hurricane Ida.

[Barnone]

Our cottage on Sanibel Island is gone, blown and washed away. Our house in Fort Myers received minor damage and our ranch house 30 miles east of Fort Myers was not damaged at all.
Ian followed almost the same path as Charlie in 2004. Ian was much more powerful. We had very little damage from Charlie.

[McQueen216]

When is ChinaBikes on the Dragon 2023 scheduled?

[NoResource95]

I made a blocking plaie and removed all the air injection plumbing. Cleans up the engine.
As far as top speed and MPG I just got the bike on Friday afternoon in the crate so it will be a while before I break her in. Need to register it anyway before I can do much riding.
My TU250X get up to 85 MPG. Odometer on it is correct.
So I assume the DF250RTG will be ok MPG wise.
$1700 delivered.
Oh, and it did come with four mirrors.

Can anyone explain the process for deleting the "air injection plumbing". I think it's the EGR system but I'm having issues getting my bike running after I installed a Nibbi carb. It no longer utilizes those hoses and I believe its causing issues with the vacuum of the engine. I can't get the bike running, it could possibly be the carb but I'm pretty sure getting rid of this emissions system will help.

[Barnone]

When is ChinaBikes on the Dragon 2023 scheduled?

Are you talking about the US 129 East TN Dragon?

[Barnone]

Can anyone explain the process for deleting the "air injection plumbing". I think it's the EGR system but I'm having issues getting my bike running after I installed a Nibbi carb. It no longer utilizes those hoses and I believe its causing issues with the vacuum of the engine. I can't get the bike running, it could possibly be the carb but I'm pretty sure getting rid of this emissions system will help.
Why did you replace the carb? If you don't know how to remove the AIS then you shouldn't be fooling with the carb.
Search this thread for the air injection system to get the info.
I made a plate to cover the port on the engine. You need to put a cap on the port on the intake manifold if I remember right.

[McQueen216]

Are you talking about the US 129 East TN Dragon?

That’s EXACTLY what I’m talking about. Devil’s Triangle, Cherohala Skyway, the Parkway… all that good stuff.

[Zapkin]

The trailer is an Aosom Elite. When the bicycle wheels wore out I replaced them with pit bike wheels. I have one in Florida and one in North Carolina. Been pulling them for about 15 years without issues except the canvas wore off the one in NC since I use it a lot more there.
https://www.amazon.com/Aosom-Elite-Cargo-Luggage-Trailer/dp/B0029KKQSK

Just bolt the hitch to the lower rear shock mountain stud.
Here a hitch is on my CT70 clone. Have a hitch on all my motorcycles, bicycles, and scooter.
Never bothered tagging them or rigging up lights and never been stopped by LEOs.
Even tow it behind my mini Jeep for trash pickup and other hauling duties.


could that trailer be attached to a lifan x-pect? if so, what hitch etc would you need.

[Barnone]

could that trailer be attached to a lifan x-pect? if so, what hitch etc would you need.

Comes with a hitch that you bolt to your bike/scooter's lower rear shock mount. I have used those trailers on many different bicycles ,motorcycles and scooters.

[Barnone]

That’s EXACTLY what I’m talking about. Devil’s Triangle, Cherohala Skyway, the Parkway… all that good stuff.
I have a cabin close to the Dragon so I will be interested in the China Bikes on the Dragon.
I ride my scooter and sidecar there.

[JerryHawk250]

You can tell I'm bored. lol I've been cruising Venom Motorsports website and just noticed they are still selling the DF250RTG. This was one I was looking to buy right before the Ghost came out then ended up buying the Ghost. This is still a cool looking bike. I see they have a discount code to get $200 off. I got to stay focused. I don't need another bike yet. I got to save up for the KPT. lol
Hi, my name is Jerry, I'm a motorcycle addict. :hehe:
https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/products/sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg

[Barnone]

Jerry,
Me too.
They used my photo from the Dragon in their ad so I asked them for a $300 discount but I haven't heard back yet.
https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/products/sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6gxQ8tjmtw6 WOYFDJotisXTUcjlKgAvuXwaxZIqvkExXEtJP8jL5fBoCYocQA vD_BwE

I might get another one

[JerryHawk250]

Jerry,
Me too.
They used my photo from the Dragon in their ad so I asked them for a $300 discount but I haven't heard back yet.
https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/products/sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?gclid=CjwKCAiArY2fBhB9EiwAWqHK6gxQ8tjmtw6 WOYFDJotisXTUcjlKgAvuXwaxZIqvkExXEtJP8jL5fBoCYocQA vD_BwE

I might get another one

Yeah, i recognize those pictures. lol Tell them JerryHawk250 said to give you a big discount. ;)

[Barnone]

Yeah, i recognize those pictures. lol Tell them JerryHawk250 said to give you a big discount. ;)

Just texted them "JerryHawk250 said to give you a big discount" If they give me the Jerry Hawk250 discount I will buy another.

[Barnone]

Another one of my DF250RTG photos used in a ad.

[Barnone]

My photos used by
https://www.belmontebikes.com/products/sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg

[Barnone]

https://www.venommotorsportsusa.com/products/sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?gclid=CjwKCAiA3KefBhByEiwAi2LDHC3bhNcPqDS 6w4DkhsPg3ju-6-vSeM4JinnLOwX22Gr2LfjQMpYHWBoCvDEQAvD_BwE

[Barnone]

Jerry,
Where is the $200 discount that you mentioned?

[JerryHawk250]

Jerry,
Where is the $200 discount that you mentioned?

That post was right before Christmas. Back to regular price now. Ask if they will still honor it because you shopping early for next Christmas. LOL I'd tried sending you a PM but looks like you have that disabled.

[Barnone]

That post was right before Christmas. Back to regular price now. Ask if they will still honor it because you shopping early for next Christmas. LOL I'd tried sending you a PM but looks like you have that disabled.

I think I enabled PMs.

[Barnone]

Just ordered a black 2022 DF250RTG from Venom Motorsports USA. They charged me sales tax which I assume is for Florida.

[Barnone]

Ordered one of these to keep my heel off the muffler.


I need the couple nut and muffler clamp to install it.

[flatlandsouth82]

Hey does anyone recommend getting the venom sportster chopper. If you have owned bigger cruisers before and need a bike to go everywhere but the interstate which is 4 to 8 lanes at 70mph.??????
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[Barnone]

My 2022 DF250RTG arrived yesterday afternoon and I started working on it.
This morning I finished the assembly and took her for a short ride around the neighborhood and she is running just great. Venom included the bill of sale and other paperwork in the crate so I am going to the tag office tomorrow to get the tag and title. Then I will add her to my insurance.

She started right up and sounds just great. Seems to be more powerful than my previous one.
I need to order some bar end mirrors and some saddle bags later today.
Venom included a cap which was nice of them. They were just perfect to deal with and ware fast on the shipping.

It came with a nice little tool kit and the owner's manual is very good.

[JerryHawk250]

My 2022 DF250RTG arrived yesterday afternoon and I started working on it.
This morning I finished the assembly and took her for a short ride around the neighborhood and she is running just great. Venom included the bill of sale and other paperwork in the crate so I am going to the tag office tomorrow to get the tag and title. Then I will add her to my insurance.

She started right up and sounds just great. Seems to be more powerful than my previous one.
I need to order some bar end mirrors and some saddle bags later today.
Venom included a cap which was nice of them. They were just perfect to deal with and ware fast on the shipping.

It came with a nice little tool kit and the owner's manual is very good.
It probably does have a little more power. You probably have the newer 229cc engine like my Venom ghost had. My X22R had the 223cc engine the same as your first DF250RTG. The first time i crank up the Ghost i could tell it had a little more thump to it.

[Oldenslow]

Sounds like both tool kit and manual have had an upgrade since 2 years ago. Be sure to check the tightness of the spokes -- don't ask how I know. But enjoy it! I have sure enjoyed mine, and warmer weather means it has been venturing out a bit lately.

[flatlandsouth82]

Does my DF makes me look fat or is it the riding suit? LOL That is one of the Honda riding suits from back in the 1990's and still in good shape. 30 years old.

The DF is a blast to ride here in the mountains of WNC/ETN. It has enough juice.

Hey how tall are you buddy?

[flatlandsouth82]

I re jetted today. Mine came stock with a 102 main and 40 pilot. I switched the main out with a 105 and pilot with a 42. What a world of difference. The idle is much smoother at 1k rpm, it previously had a small amount of stutter that low. And with the small difference in the main it pulls a lot better going through the gears. I would say 20-25% better by my own arbitrary metric. Bike feels much better moving from a stop thanks to the larger pilot (this is the best improvement. I didn’t think it was a big deal until now that I have felt the difference. Totally worth the $12 I paid for the kit. I’m thinking of trying out the 108 that came with the kit as well. Very pleased with the results so far!

Where did you happen to get the jet kit?

[Barnone]

Hey how tall are you buddy?
5'11" or so.

[Barnone]

Sounds like both tool kit and manual have had an upgrade since 2 years ago. Be sure to check the tightness of the spokes -- don't ask how I know. But enjoy it! I have sure enjoyed mine, and warmer weather means it has been venturing out a bit lately.
I bought a DF250RTG back in 2018 when I started this thread here in China Riders and kept it for several years. I had a problem with broken spokes in the rear wheel and bought some and replaced the broken ones. I checked the spokes on my new 2022 DF250RTG and they are all tight and are seated properly in the rear hub.

[Indianaman]

Where did you happen to get the jet kit?

Amazon, theyre only $9 now:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F9MJGJX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[flatlandsouth82]

Amazon, theyre only $9 now:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F9MJGJX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Are these for the 250cc engine?

[flatlandsouth82]

5'11" or so.

Awesome so am I just trying to scale myself from your pic lmao!!

[flatlandsouth82]

The JT sprocket would be a JTF1264.17 https://www.amazon.com/JT-Sprockets-JTF1264-17-Steel-Sprocket/dp/B0068OCQVI/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=jtf+sprocket&qid=1570556739&s=automotive&sr=1-6

Sorry I am just learning to navigate the forum. This sprocket kit ya speak of is it for the df250rtg?

[Indianaman]

N, that is for the jets.

[Barnone]

Awesome so am I just trying to scale myself from your pic lmao!!
The DF250RTG is a small motorcycle.
Me on the Dragon East TN on my previous one back in 2019.

[flatlandsouth82]

N, that is for the jets.

Ok so these are jets for carb on the df250rtg?

[Barnone]

Are these for the 250cc engine?

Actually 223 cc. It is a 165FMM engine.

Here I am adjusting the chain. A center stand would be nice!

[flatlandsouth82]

Actually 223 cc. It is a 165FMM engine.

Here I am adjusting the chain. A center stand would be nice!

ok thanks for the correction

[flatlandsouth82]

[QUOTE=Barnone;338849]I have changed the rear sprocket to a lower tooth count or the front to more teeth on almost all my bikes in the past with satisfactory results. The DF250RTG seems to like the less teeth rear sprocket just fine.[/


How many teeth is the stock one

[Barnone]

[QUOTE=Barnone;338849]I have changed the rear sprocket to a lower tooth count or the front to more teeth on almost all my bikes in the past with satisfactory results. The DF250RTG seems to like the less teeth rear sprocket just fine.[/


How many teeth is the stock one

A search on this thread would give you many answers.
rear/front
38/17 is 2.23 stock
35/17 is 2.06
34/17 is 2.00

[Barnone]

Added
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285151615459
to keep my clodhopper off the muffler. Some don't have this problem.

[Barnone]

Put the crate back together and added some plywood that I had laying around to make another table for the shop.

[Barnone]

Got a tag and insurance on her so am now legal.
Added a trailer hook up so I can tow my trailer.
Trailer here.
https://www.aosom.com/item/aosom-elite-ii-bike-cargo-luggage-trailer-red-black~5664-0005R.html?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=display
When I wore out the bicycle tires I put some pit bike tires on it. Don't know if that was necessary.

[Barnone]

Added some saddlebags . Next will build a rear rack so I can mount a top box.

[Barnone]

Couldn't get the stock mirrors on my DF250RTG to work with my wide body so added some bar end mirrors. Had the same issue with my previous DF250RTG so got the same mirrors.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0QLNWC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Barnone]

Did a speedometer test with my cell phone speedometer app. Not too bad as the bike speedometer showed 50 MPH and the app showed 47 MPH.
She moves just fine.

[Barnone]

Installed a mini tachometer on her today.

[Barnone]

I was getting an invalid VIN on my Geico insurance policy. The VIN was correct.
I had Geico change the model number to DF250RTD and that got rid of the incorrect VIN warning.

Has the DF250RTD been discontinued?

Also reading the info on the bike's frame the air pressure is supposed to be 225 KPA (32 PSI) front and 280 KPA (40 PSI) rear which seems kinda high.

[Barnone]

Did a little towing this afternoon and all is well.

[Barnone]

Got the seat without the speed bump installed so I will have more room for a passenger.

[Barnone]

Took a ride out to Sanibel Island to check up on a fence I put up to keep out the idiots that were making big holes in our now lot. Seems to be working, knock on wood.
Kinda odd but the speedometer is only off 2 MPH at 60 MPH according to my speedometer app on my cell phone which indicated 58 MPH. At lower speeds the speedometer is off by 10% or more.
Anyway I am very happy with the performance of the stock bike. After I break her in I will run her up to top speed,

[Barnone]

Adding a crash guard to my bike in case I have to lay her down! LOL

I want to paint the chrome black. I have sanded the chrome. Any suggestions for prep and brand of paint will be appreciated.

[flatlandsouth82]

Well guys I would like to say that i have pics and stuff to show ya of my new df250rtg. But so far its been a night mare it came jacked up in shipping looks like forklift caught it . So 3 turn signals , a headlight, a combo switch, and probably another headlight later and ill be ready to get it to my house to get street legal. Whoever assembled it did a absolutely horrible job. They did not put any locknuts or washer on the hardware but yet my new lights came with locknuts and washers. Ill be going over the frame and bolts with with a fine tooth comb now. At this point im deep into time on the bike due to all the back an forth with Venom Motorsports. They are pretty good at helping . I was upset this time though the headlight bright wire had a dead short which cuased it to burn and smoke out. No more cheap crap ill get my own i had to modifyy the one they sent to fit anyways. Now waiting on a new combo switch it was stripped lol. So my advice spend the extra and get the Lifan or pray ya dont get a lemon lol the motor seems strong enough .

[Barnone]

flatlandsouth82,
Sorry to hear about the shipping damage to your motorcycle.

I would have refused to accept the delivery.

I have had at least eight Chinese bikes and scooters delivered to me over the years without any damage. I must be lucky as all my Dong Fang motorcycles have been good.

[flatlandsouth82]

flatlandsouth82,
Sorry to hear about the shipping damage to your motorcycle.

I would have refused to accept the delivery.

I have had at least eight Chinese bikes and scooters delivered to me over the years without any damage. I must be lucky as all my Dong Fang motorcycles have been good.

I should have it was a messed up deal it was supposed to be doorstep delivery and the trucker called me and i had to drive my own vehicle to pick it up . Just so happened that i missed the two fork holes . Im mad at myself i reported the damage to the shipper and to Venom. There hasnt been one thing not messed up about the process so far.

[Barnone]

I should have it was a messed up deal it was supposed to be doorstep delivery and the trucker called me and i had to drive my own vehicle to pick it up . Just so happened that i missed the two fork holes . Im mad at myself i reported the damage to the shipper and to Venom. There hasnt been one thing not messed up about the process so far.
What do you mean about missing the two fork holes?

[culcune]

What do you mean about missing the two fork holes?

I am thinking forklift holes. Must have hit the bike with the forklift.

If it isn't a forklift, then I am not sure what to make of the problem?

[Barnone]

I am thinking forklift holes. Must have hit the bike with the forklift.

If it isn't a forklift, then I am not sure what to make of the problem?

Was flatlandsouth82 operating the forklift and missed the forklift holes?

[Barnone]

Put one of my Harley brake pads on the side stand to give it more area so it won't sink in our Florida sand.

[Barnone]

Finished V1.1 of the crash bars on my bike. Might paint it black but it is good for awhile.

[RugerTSanchez]

Ordered my 2022 DF250RTG from Venom Motorsports back on 3/24, tracking currently shows a delivery date of 4/4.

Definitely looking forward to having a moto again!

[Barnone]

Ordered my 2022 DF250RTG from Venom Motorsports back on 3/24, tracking currently shows a delivery date of 4/4.

Definitely looking forward to having a moto again!

Ruger,
Welcome to the Dong Fang gang! Remember the rule here is " It didn't happen if no photos are posted"!

[RugerTSanchez]

She was delivered just before 2:00 PM yesterday (April 4th), so less than 12 days from order placed to delivery.

https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2235
https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2236
https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2237
https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2238
https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2239
https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2240

I'm lazy, so I paid for the whole "Fully Assembled + PDI + Tested" and "Rush Processing".

Only issues I've found so far are as follows:

1.) Both top tabs on the right side cover are broken.

https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2241

2.) Deep scratch on left side of tank.

https://chinariders.net/picture.php?albumid=493&pictureid=2242

Contacted Venom by phone within an hour of delivery and started the whole process of addressing these issues via email (described damage and sent photos). Received email response within half an hour (asked for additional photos), and another message this morning confirming the replacement components:

1.) Battery Cover (which I don't believe is correct, as that would be the left side)
2.) White Automotive Paint Pen (Not sure if that will be enough since the scratch is down to the bare metal and quite large)

Sent these responses earlier today, just waiting to hear back.

[Barnone]

Ruger,
Sorry to hear about the issues with your new bike. Like that white color.

[Barnone]

I just received a private message from flatlandsouth82.

"Number one do you think an uprgraded cdi would be useful? And two when i blip the throttle quickly the bike dies could that be due to lean condition.?"

I replied that I didn't think changing the CDI is necessary and to make sure the motor is warmed up before blipping the throttle. I don't have a problem with blipping the throttle when the engine is warmed up.

Also I don't have a problem with getting private messages but suggested that he ask the questions here as others might have a different/better opinion than me and more experience than me.

My DF250RTG is stock except for changing the seat, adding saddle bags, adding a pad to keep the heel of my boot off the muffler, adding a pad on the bottom of the kick stand and adding crash bars.
Oh and I removed the air injection system for cosmetic reasons.


She is running just fine with the stock jetting and the catalytic converter in the exhaust pipe.

[RugerTSanchez]

About 56 miles on the clock.

First mod - ProTaper YZ Lo bars and Pro Grip 714 grips.

Going to see how she feels after some time, but I do have a 35T rear sprocket available if I see fit.

Waiting on some mirrors and replacement turn signals to arrive.

The negative wire on my tail light needed to be re-soldered, and the bulb in my right rear turn signal had some kind of catastrophic failure. The glass was completely disintegrated/missing from inside the housing and the base of the bulb itself refused to come out.

Been in communication with Venom about the issues mentioned earlier, including a missing coupler for the NIBBI carb I ordered and now the lighting issues.

[Oldenslow]

Pro tip for anyone buying this model: Replace ALL light bulbs ASAP. The ones it comes equipped with look to have been manufactured in someone's backyard toolshed...

[RugerTSanchez]

Couldn’t wrap up my first weekend with the DF without at least one more issue.

This one happened while riding which was a fun little surprise.

Looks like the right rear shock cap somehow became unscrewed.

[Barnone]

Couldn’t wrap up my first weekend with the DF without at least one more issue.

This one happened while riding which was a fun little surprise.

Looks like the right rear shock cap somehow became unscrewed.

Did you lose the starboard side cover?

[RugerTSanchez]

I have the right side cover, but it arrived with both top tabs broken so waiting on a replacement.

[Barnone]

Pro tip for anyone buying this model: Replace ALL light bulbs ASAP. The ones it comes equipped with look to have been manufactured in someone's backyard toolshed...
No issues with the light bulbs on my 2022 DF250RTG, knock on wood. Never had a light bulb problem on my previous DF except when I replaced the turn signals. I seem to have less problems when I don't monkey with my bikes.

[RugerTSanchez]

Things on my list:

1.) New turn signals and mirrors come today, hopefully these will be a vast improvement over stock.
2.) When is the first oil change recommended? I typically use Shell Rotella T4 15W-40 as I seem to remember most of these engines do not like synthetic, right?
3.) Ordered a pack of NGK D8EA plugs, should be here on Thursday.
4.) Install the 35T rear sprocket, just need to pick up some snap ring pliers and figure out wheel removal. Boy do I miss having a center stand...
5.) Install Nibbi Racing carb once the missing coupler arrives from Venom, I'm thinking about keeping the airbox though.
6.) I just emailed IMS about their Flightline shift levers as I'd like to ditch the stock heel/toe one. I know I could just cut off the heel portion, but I had an IMS lever on my old TW and really liked it.

[Barnone]

2. In the owner's manual the first change of the oil is at 1000 km but I changed it at 50 km. I used conventional 15W40 for the first oil change.

I use Rotella Synthetic 15w40 in all my Chinese motorcycles and scooters with no issues. They probably don't need it but I use it in all my diesel tractors so I have it available.

I too miss the center stand that all my other bikes have.

[RugerTSanchez]

Replacement mirrors and turn signals installed.

[Barnone]

Replacement mirrors and turn signals installed.

Like the black turn signals. Where did you buy them?

[RugerTSanchez]

PACASK 4pcs Black Aluminum Motorcycle Turn Signals Light Bulb Black for Yamaha Bobber Custom Chopper Cafe Cruiser https://a.co/d/fV66U4s

[RugerTSanchez]

38T off and 35T on, which was way easier than I thought it would be. Only PITA was the snap ring, and that was only because the tool I have wouldn't open wide enough. I'd definitely say 35T appears to be the smallest you can go without having to shorten the chain.

Haven't had a chance to see the difference it makes, but I'm sure I'll do that later today.

[Barnone]

PACASK 4pcs Black Aluminum Motorcycle Turn Signals Light Bulb Black for Yamaha Bobber Custom Chopper Cafe Cruiser https://a.co/d/fV66U4s

Thanks. I received them today and installed them then took a ride out to Sanibel Island to check up on our now lot as our cottage was destroyed by hurricane Ian. The fence that I put up to keep the idiots from driving on the lot spinning circles and causing big ruts is doing just fine.

The new black turn signals don't show up in the photo which is a good thing. They work just fine and have a faster flash rate I guess since they are led light bulbs? The bike is running just great and seems to have more power than my previous DF250RTG.

[RugerTSanchez]

They should just be incandescent bulbs, but I did notice the faster flashing too. What’s strange is I had one burn out pretty quickly so I threw one of the bulbs from the original signals and the rate returned to a normal level. I will say the I’ll probably end up getting some better bulbs since I’ve already had two of the ones that came with the black housings burn out.

Also, I needed to tighten/loctite the nuts that attach the housings to the threaded pieces because the small nut inside the housing kept coming undone after some riding.

[Barnone]

They should just be incandescent bulbs, but I did notice the faster flashing too. What’s strange is I had one burn out pretty quickly so I threw one of the bulbs from the original signals and the rate returned to a normal level. I will say the I’ll probably end up getting some better bulbs since I’ve already had two of the ones that came with the black housings burn out.

Also, I needed to tighten/loctite the nuts that attach the housings to the threaded pieces because the small nut inside the housing kept coming undone after some riding.

I had that problem with the nut inside the housing. I tightened it down and then went to check the other one on the back on the bike and it was missing the bracket that holds the bulb. The bulb was just loose in the housing so I am sending them back for a refund.
Putting the stock turn signals back on the bike.

I wonder if black plastic spray paint would stick to the housing?

[Barnone]

Trying some different turn signals just on the back as they are easier to install.
So far so good. They are very small.

[Jessmmonty]

Hey y’all.

New to the forum, howdy!

I purchased this bike a month or two ago and it was stolen about a week into having it… quite amazingly it was recovered. The ignition was ripped clean out amongst some other minor cosmetic damages.

I’ve been in touch with my seller but apparently a replacement ignition it two months out from even being in stock… I thought I got a good alternative through Amazon but it’s seemingly not compatible. I tested my CDI & battery and all is well on those fronts.

Anyone have any idea on where to get an ignition that is compatible so I can get my baby back on the road?

Thanks in advance!
Jess

[JerryHawk250]

Hey y’all.

New to the forum, howdy!

I purchased this bike a month or two ago and it was stolen about a week into having it… quite amazingly it was recovered. The ignition was ripped clean out amongst some other minor cosmetic damages.

I’ve been in touch with my seller but apparently a replacement ignition it two months out from even being in stock… I thought I got a good alternative through Amazon but it’s seemingly not compatible. I tested my CDI & battery and all is well on those fronts.

Anyone have any idea on where to get an ignition that is compatible so I can get my baby back on the road?

Thanks in advance!
Jess
Look here and see if anything matches up. https://www.vmcchineseparts.com/collections/key-switches

[Barnone]

Photo of my DF250RTG ignition switch below. I looked at the above but did not find one.
Jess , do you have the switch, if so could you post a photo of it removed from your DF250RTG?
That might make it easier to find one on the site Jerry put above.

[Barnone]

Put these small turn signals on her and so far so good. Need to adjust the alignment a bit.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/313567427475

[Barnone]

Added a little fly screen mainly just for show.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BX2RZP8T/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

[JerryHawk250]

Looks good. :tup:

[Barnone]

Specs at http://www.df-motor.com/product_show.asp?id=750 show the gas tank capacity at 14 liters or about 3.7 gallons. I never checked that on my two DF250RTG. Has anybody here verified that. Also I never checked the MPG. 　

[Barnone]

Honda CRF230 valve adjustment video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY65zumJCMk

[Barnone]

I screwed this oil temp gauge in the dip stick hole on my DF250RTG to check the oil temp.
This test was an answer to another thread.

My temp gauge is like this one.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F3W136Z/ref=twister_B07F3XBRR4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

At rest the cold engine was about 22 C or 72 F. After a 12 mile ride in traffic up to 50 MPH the reading is about 78 C or 172 F.

I can leave the thermometer in the engine with no oil leak so will leave it in and do some more checking as I ride. Don't recommend looking at it as your ride but ok at a stop.

From what I read the engine oil might start to break down at 275 F.

[Barnone]

Took a ride to check on our lot on Sanibel Island with speeds over 55 MPH on the speedometer which is probably about 50 or so. Still breaking her in. The oil temp got up to 90c (194f) which is still very safe. Seems an oil cooler on the DF250RTG would be a waste of money.

She is running just great and is a fun bike to ride.

[Barnone]

Did a test pull of my light weight trailer and she did just fine. I like to use the trailer in the mountains of Western North Carolina where we spend the summer. When I make a store run I can carry a lot of items.
The trailer hitch bolts to shock mount.

[Barnone]

Just got this private message

"Just bought a DF250RTG (white). Any advice you can provide me would be greatly appreciated. Also did you sell your original RT”G” and later get a 2022 RT”D” version? I was confused by the description where you lost your bikes."

Thought I would respond here so others could add their opinions.

I sold my original DF250RTG to a member here because I like to keep trying other bikes.
I have owned over fifty motorcycles in the past 65 years. Not saying that is smart!

There was nothing wrong with it except a small dent in the gas tank. Recently I bought a new 2022 one and it was exactly like the one I sold except a few mods I put on the previous one.

For some reason it was called a DF250RTD on the paper work but it was also called a DF250RTG in other places. Again it is exactly like my previous DF250RTG.

As far as any advice I can give it is to read this thread from the beginning and almost all your questions would be answered.

I would leave it unmodified for a while. I changed the seat to have a little more room for a passenger. Changed the mirrors to bar end ones so I could see behind me. You might not have to do that. The carburetor is unmodified. I added a pad to keep my heel off the muffler.
Did not remove the catalytic converter as it runs just fine with it. It has about 800 km on it with no issues.

I added some crash bars just because I had them from another bike. Changed the oil after 100 km.

We are headed up to our cabin in the mountains of WNC where the motorcycle riding is wonderful. Taking the DF and my Ural with us. I have an Ice Bear 150 scooter there. I do a lot more motorcycling there than I do in flat SWFL where we live in the winter.

Ask any more questions here and I and others will chime in with their opinions.

[Dadbike26]

Vince thanks for the detailed response. I just reviewed most post on this thread and really appreciate all the info that has been shared. The people in this forum seem to be very helpful and a cool community, which I think is going to be so important when owning this bike.

My bike is scheduled to arrive, 80% assembled, this upcoming week. Hopefully this DF250RTG is one of the ones that arrives without any issue. I’ve worked on assembling an e-bike but have never put any part of a motorcycle together, but looking forward to the experience and the rewards of riding this cool bike. Thanks again and look forward to posting pictures, getting feedback, and advice!

[Barnone]

Dadbike26,
Welcome to the asylum. I didn't have any issues assembling any of the ten or more Chinese crate bikes I have bought over the years. I really do like getting bikes in crates delivered to my house.

[Dadbike26]

Can any one supply the diameter of the front forks for the DF250RTG ? Looking into clip on handlebars for a cafe racer style.

[Dadbike26]

Also can please provide the diameter of the front headlight and depth of the light to the installation bolts? I’m also liking the idea of a screen on the light. Thank you for your help. I’m bored waiting on the bike figure might as well order the mods now. ������

[Barnone]

Also can please provide the diameter of the front headlight and depth of the light to the installation bolts? I’m also liking the idea of a screen on the light. Thank you for your help. I’m bored waiting on the bike figure might as well order the mods now. ������

Here is the screen I put on mine.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0BX2RZP8T/ref=nosim/refuge08-20

[Barnone]

Can any one supply the diameter of the front forks for the DF250RTG ? Looking into clip on handlebars for a cafe racer style.
Approximate measurement of fork diameter.
Sidecar loaded up for the trip to the mountains. Dong Fang is in the back of my truck.

[Dadbike26]

Thanks, that looks sweet.

For my cafe racer look I meant that I want to install a mesh grill so I really need the size of the headlight? Looks about 5 inches in pictures but not sure.

[Barnone]

38T off and 35T on, which was way easier than I thought it would be. Only PITA was the snap ring, and that was only because the tool I have wouldn't open wide enough. I'd definitely say 35T appears to be the smallest you can go without having to shorten the chain.

Haven't had a chance to see the difference it makes, but I'm sure I'll do that later today.

Where did you buy the 35T?

[Barnone]

Finally back in the mountains of Western North Carolina where the motorcycling riding is wonderful. Be posting up some photos.

[Dadbike26]

Vince looking forward to your pictures, enjoy that scenery!

Question about the choke. Seems when I push the choke lever all the up the motor dies instantly. When the lever is in the middle or down the engine starts and runs fine. Can’t start it with the lever all the way up, which I figure is the run position.

Any suggestions on what the problem is or why she won’t run unless in mid or full choke? I live in NY it’s 70 degrees so not cold, and I let the engine idle in mid choke for a few minutes. She holds idle no problem and starts in choke no problem.

[Dadbike26]

Cool and thanks for your reply!

[Dadbike26]

So I checked online and seems ok to ride with choke, if not for extremely long distances, so I’ll run it in mid-choke to take to the local mechanic so they can make necessary adjustments. I also want a mechanic to look over everything and give me some maintenance and service guidance before I start taking any trips. For someone new to motorcycles the manual sucks!

[culcune]

Have you adjusted the valve lash?

[Barnone]

Been riding my Ural here in the mountains of WNC.
Tomorrow is the DF's turn.

[Barnone]

So I checked online and seems ok to ride with choke, if not for extremely long distances, so I’ll run it in mid-choke to take to the local mechanic so they can make necessary adjustments. I also want a mechanic to look over everything and give me some maintenance and service guidance before I start taking any trips. For someone new to motorcycles the manual sucks!

Once the DF is warmed up you can turn the choke off IE all the way down. No need and probably not good to run the motor too rich.

[Dadbike26]

My DF shuts down once taken off choke, just dies.

I will have to take it to a mechanic for my inspection, so will have them check it out.

What tire PSI you guys riding front and rear?

[Dadbike26]

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1st pic of my DF250RTG more to come!

[Oldenslow]

Once warmed up it should run fine with no choke. May take a minute or 2 after startup. Tire pressure, 36 PSI, front and rear.

[Dadbike26]

Anyone using Sta-bil or anything to your gas? If so what do you use or recommend and how much per gallon? I’m wondering if this will help my engine run better without choke. :-(

[Dadbike26]

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Can anyone please clarify if this picture is in the “RUN” position? Black lever pushed down as far as possible.

If so then my bike works fine when the black lever is pushed down as far as it can go, or if the black lever is one notch up, so in the middle, but bike dies instantly when I pull all the way up on the black lever. If I try to start the bike cold with the black lever all the way up, and I give it a little gas it starts but won’t hold unless I keep giving it a little gas, once I stop it dies and smells flooded.

Any reason my bike sounds backwards and what that might mean for my carburetor tuning etc?

Sorry to be so green, but just trying to get a better understanding and seems not much info available about this bike.

Thanks in advance for any feedback or suggestions.

[Dadbike26]

Thanks Jeff, so what does it mean that my bike doesn’t like full choke ?

FYI, the weather here has been in the mid 60s to mid 70s.

[Dadbike26]

Vince, no pictures of the trip?

[Barnone]

Anyone using Sta-bil or anything to your gas? If so what do you use or recommend and how much per gallon? I’m wondering if this will help my engine run better without choke. :-(
Shouldn't need Stabil unless you let the bike set up for a long time. I usually never even use the choke to start her up.

[Barnone]

Vince, no pictures of the trip?
We are here in the mountains of WNC until October then we head back to SWFL for the winter.
My Ural at the overlook on the Dragon ETN. Will post some DF photos soon.

[Dadbike26]

Nice I had never heard of the brand Ural, but really like the side car, classic look.

Reminds me of Indiana Jones!!
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[Dadbike26]

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[Barnone]

My DF by a old barn being torn down down the road a bit from our place in the mountains of WNC. The owner passed away years ago and I bet he is turning over in his grave.

[Barnone]

Just beck from a Busa Down Patrol looking for motorcycle wrecks here in the mountains of WNC. No wrecks found. LOL

[Dadbike26]

Hey any service stand recommendations? This bike really needed a center stand since it isn’t compatible with the sport bike rear stands.

[Dadbike26]

Practicing early mornings in an empty parking29636 lot for my motorcycle road test.

[Dadbike26]

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[Dadbike26]

Also one have an issue with their brake lights? My front and rear brake light dose not engage when pressing the front brake lever or pushing down on the rear brake.

Does anyone have experience with this issue or any ideas what this issue can be? By the way all the other electrical functions work fine. Including the tail light.

[JerryHawk250]

Also one have an issue with their brake lights? My front and rear brake light dose not engage when pressing the front brake lever or pushing down on the rear brake.

Does anyone have experience with this issue or any ideas what this issue can be? By the way all the other electrical functions work fine. Including the tail light.

Burnt Bulb?

[grumpyunk]

The brake lights will only glow when the ignition is switched to ON. They use battery power, as do the headlights. If you have no light, the most likely spot to look would be where the switches(F & R) get their power as they are fed separately. Likely inside the headlight bucket. Find the wires that feed the switches - one to power(B+), the other to the F&F light sockets. Both switches use ignition switch controlled power.
A quick check is to see if you have power to the rear brake switch, kind of out in the open and easier to access. Check for power on one wire with the ignition ON. If no power, follow the power wire back to its source of power.
Ignition switches of old had a 'park' feature that would send power to the rear tail light, used to mark the bike presence in the dark in narrow allies/ways. The position was separate from OFF/RUN. FWIW.
You could also check for B+ at the ignition switch, both IN and OUT.
tom

[Barnone]

Hey any service stand recommendations? This bike really needed a center stand since it isn’t compatible with the sport bike rear stands.
I agree that it needs a center stand. I have tried to adapt several but no luck.
I used this kinda hokey arrangement on mine.

[Barnone]

Burnt Bulb?

Yep, check the taillight bulb. I just went and checked and the bulb lit up with either the hand or the foot brake.

[Dadbike26]

I took the rear light apart and saw that the light is a bunch of small LED bulbs. They are all illuminated when running, but don’t get brighter when brakes (front or rear) are engaged. The tube fuse in the plastic case near the battery seems to be intact, are there any other fuses to look for?

Barnone, do you have the same stock LED taillight/brake light ?

I’m wondering if I need a new brake light fixture ?

[Barnone]

Surprise to me as I do have a LED taillight and it is working just fine. The brake light is very bright.

[Barnone]

I was riding my BF on the Dragon and stopped at the overlook.

[Barnone]

On the other side of the road was this.
Later it was down at the Deals' Gap Motorcycle Resort.
Now I can die as I have seen everything!

[grumpyunk]

That thing was near Atlanta a few days ago. It made the TV news with some shots of it coming north in I-75. I figured it was a bike carrying a LOT of sheet metal(for no reason other than the Gape Factor.
tom

[Barnone]

Me on the Dragon yesterday.

[Barnone]

Nice I had never heard of the brand Ural, but really like the side car, classic look.

Reminds me of Indiana Jones!!
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They have been making Urals in Russia for over eighty years. Now thanks to Putin they had to move the factory out of Russia.

[Barnone]

I put bar end mirrors on my DF so I could see behind me. You have to cut the end out of the handlebar grips to install the mirrors.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0QLNWC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Barnone]

Me on the Dragon going on a grocery run on my Ice Bear 159 scooter and Aosom trailer.
Like the twist and go of the scooter. Have three of the scooters and three of the trailers.
Been pulling the trailers for ten years or more with no issues.

[JerryHawk250]

Aosom makes some nice affordable trailers. :tup:

[Barnone]

Aosom makes some nice affordable trailers. :tup:

Here is one I sold to Jim Tom Moonshiner that he used to pull behind his liquor scooter.
Here he is hauling some trailer trash!

[JerryHawk250]

Here is one I sold to Jim Tom Moonshiner that he used to pull behind his liquor scooter.
Here he is hauling some trailer trash!
:lmao:

[Barnone]

Where she rests here in the mountains. I need to go put up my temporary 129 sign as someone stole the real sign.

[Barnone]

Beautiful day for riding here in the mountains of WNC and ETN.
I had a load to drop off at the Graham County Recycling Center and then rode up to Deal's Gap AKA The Dragon.

[Barnone]

I made up a very crappy 129 sign here because some idiots are always stealing the DOT signs.
I tied it down low so when DOT puts up a new sign I can untie my crappy sign and save it so I can use it again.

[Barnone]

Adjusting my chain. Gonna keep looking for a center stand. All my three Chinese scooters and my Ural have center stands. None of them have a chain drive.

[Barnone]

^^^^^^
Your suggestion might work.

[Cmmoore72]

I put new chain sprocket on and has made a big difference. The bike handles great until about 50 mph. Then it vibrates pretty bad still. But I only have less than 300 miles in it. Does it get better after break in, is this common or do I have something else going on. I have tripled checked rear wheel alignment and chain slack. They look good. Thanks

[grumpyunk]

Cmoore... does it seem to vibrate more at one end than the other? It is possible one of the tires is out of balance. If you can suspend the tires the front would tend to rotate to have the heavy spot at the bottom, and might do that even if you rotated the wheel to say, 9 or 3 o'clock.
To check the rear tire, likely, unless heavily out of balance, the chain would have to be removed from the rear sprocket due to friction. If there was a heavy spot it would tend towards 6 o'clock.
You may want to check also for out of round. Spin the tires while off the ground and watch the tread as it goes by one spot. It should not vary much at all in its radial position. A round tire & wheel will rotate past one spot and the outermost surface of the tire will have the same position relative to a spot you pick. It should not vary but spin by smoothly. The rim of the wheel is also an indicator and can be observed the same way. Broken or mis-adjusted spokes can cause a rim to vary in its rotation.
tom

[Barnone]

Cmmoore72,
I don't have that 50 MPH vibration on my DF. One of your tires could be way out of balance as suggested above. There are no weights on my rims. Maybe out of round too?

Anybody try Ride-On Motorcycle Tire Balancer & Sealant on their bike to balance the tires?
I just had a flat on my rear tire and can't find the puncture so will remove the tire and check the tube. The bubbles are coming out around the valve.

[Barnone]

Turns out the flat was caused by a tear in the inter tube close to the valve stem. That must have happened when the wheel was put together at the factory. It was a very slow leak as I have over 100 miles on the bike. The soapy water test before I removed the wheel showed a very slow leak coming out of the nut area on the valve stem. Almost like it could have been a tubeless tire leak. I ordered a new tube from Amazon as no one had a tube.
First flat I have had in many years,knock on wood.
Dot on tire goes next to valve stem, right?

Hole in tube. I poked the pencil in the hole to show the size of the hole.

[JerryHawk250]

Turns out the flat was caused by a tear in the inter tube close to the valve stem. That must have happened when the wheel was put together at the factory. It was a very slow leak as I have over 100 miles on the bike. The soapy water test before I removed the wheel showed a very slow leak coming out of the nut area on the valve stem. Almost like it could have been a tubeless tire leak. I ordered a new tube from Amazon as no one had a tube.
First flat I have had in many years,knock on wood.
Dot on tire goes next to valve stem, right?

Hole in tube. I poked the pencil in the hole to show the size of the hole.

You're going to have to stop riding over pencils lol . The dot usually goes near the stem.

[Barnone]

^^^^
Will Sharpies make the same hole in the tube?
The tube is supposed to arrive today so I should be riding by tomorrow.

[JerryHawk250]

^^^^
Will Sharpies make the same hole in the tube?:lmao:

[Bikenut]

Turns out the flat was caused by a tear in the inter tube close to the valve stem. That must have happened when the wheel was put together at the factory. It was a very slow leak as I have over 100 miles on the bike. The soapy water test before I removed the wheel showed a very slow leak coming out of the nut area on the valve stem. Almost like it could have been a tubeless tire leak. I ordered a new tube from Amazon as no one had a tube.
First flat I have had in many years,knock on wood.
Dot on tire goes next to valve stem, right?

Hole in tube. I poked the pencil in the hole to show the size of the hole. I remember getting a flat long ago when the tire and tube slide backwards on the rim under heavy braking because low tire pressure allowed the tire/tube to move on the rim. That ripped the valve stem out of the tube causing a leak/flat. The valve stem had a locking nut at the base that kept the valve stem in place even though the tube had moved.

The solution was to remove that locking nut so the valve stem could move with the tube.. at least a little... without pulling out and, more importantly, keeping a close eye on tire pressure. But it was an easy to see visual indicator if the tire/tube had moved on the rim because without that locking nut the valve stem would move and be tilted allowing the tire/tube situation to be fixed before getting a dangerous flat tire.

[grumpyunk]

Barnone:Turns out the flat was caused by a tear in the inter tube close to the valve stem.

Did you consider using a patch? The tube looks good and fresh, not discolored with age or lacking in flexibility. I realize many don't know how, or consider patching something that is not acceptable nowdays, but it was done all the time prior to tubeless tires. I bought the large container of patch 'solvent' and store it in the freezer to keep it from evaporating, so I have some on hand. The little tubes dry out once they are pierced to allow dispensing. The patch just seals the tube from leakage, and it backed up by the tire sidewall (or potentially the rim) so it has no real pressure that is not compensated for by it being enclosed. My take is they are just as safe as a tube-type is prior to being patched.
I expect there will be differing opinions.
tom

[Barnone]

I would have patched it but it was a long tear. Patched tubes for years working in a gas station when I was a kid and some more later in life. No big deal.

[Barnone]

Got the new tube installed and the wheel is way out of balance. I put a heavy weight on it and it is still out of balance. Think I will take it to my local shop and have them check it.

[Barnone]

Local shop is closed for some reason. Only one in my area so I balanced the wheel and took her for a ride, all is ok.

[Dadbike26]

My white DF250RTG
Current modifications: Bars, grips, mirrors, digital speedo, seat, blinkers

Speedo still needs to be programmed and I need to figure out a mount. Any suggestions on universal mounts for the gauge cluster? I was thinking one of these might work?

http://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51Zh65EK8oL._AC_UY327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51FuuHaoeuL._AC_UY327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61A7OQNKu5L._AC_UY327_FMwebp_QL65_.jpg
If anyone is interested in the stock parts I deleted let me know. I don't plan to use the bars, mirrors, or seat for anything. Located in Pensacola FL

Your bike looks sweet man! I’ve got a white DF250RTG and going to install the clubman bars. Was it a hassle to install them?

[Barnone]

Beautiful day here on the Dragon ETN & WNC.

[Barnone]

My DF shuts down once taken off choke, just dies.

I will have to take it to a mechanic for my inspection, so will have them check it out.

What tire PSI you guys riding front and rear?
What did your mechanic say about your DF dying when taken off choke?

[Dadbike26]

I never went to the mechanic. I decide on doing my own initial service. I did the oil change and adjusted chain. Still not sure about the choke but the bike runs and starts on first try. I have nearly 500 miles and it seems to run fine. Still don’t know why it dies on either full choke or no choke. Eventually I’ll have to get the bike serviced professionally and have them take a look and will post the result.

[Dadbike26]

What did your mechanic say about your DF dying when taken off choke?

I just went for a ride, and took a look at the choke before heading out. The bike starts easily with the lever pushed all the way down ( I assume this is normal “Run” position ie choke off) and engine is fine when the choke lever is pushed up one notch (I think this is half choke), however once the lever is pushed all the way up, the engine just dies almost instantly.

So I guess the bike doesn’t like full choke. What does that say about how lean or rich the engine is running??? And does it impact performance or the engine’s overall health?

[Barnone]

I almost never need to use the choke (lever all the way down is choke off) to start the bike however I live in the mountains in the summer and live in South West Florida in the winter.
My buddy Hunting Boy put some Indian stickers on my bike so that is ok since he is a Cherokee Indian.

[Dadbike26]

I almost never need to use the choke (lever all the way down is choke off) to start the bike however I live in the mountains in the summer and live in South West Florida in the winter.
My buddy Hunting Boy put some Indian stickers on my bike so that is ok since he is a Cherokee Indian.

Seems like my bike is fine then. I never get bored of seeing pics of these bikes.

[Dadbike26]

Took a ride out to Sanibel Island to check up on a fence I put up to keep out the idiots that were making big holes in our now lot. Seems to be working, knock on wood.
Kinda odd but the speedometer is only off 2 MPH at 60 MPH according to my speedometer app on my cell phone which indicated 58 MPH. At lower speeds the speedometer is off by 10% or more.
Anyway I am very happy with the performance of the stock bike. After I break her in I will run her up to top speed,

I found my speedo is also off by about 10% at about 30 mph and maybe even worse when in the +40mph range, but then for some reason above that speed my speedometer is more accurate. I found this out yesterday, now that I’ve done more than Han 500 miles, and did the initial service, I rode purposefully rode by one of those digital speed checks and at around 55 mph I expected the speedometer to read 48-50 mph, but it was actually pretty accurate, off by maybe 1-2 mph.

So seems at lower speeds it’s off but then above 55mph appears to be more accurate.

[Dadbike26]

I have changed the rear sprocket to a lower tooth count or the front to more teeth on almost all my bikes in the past with satisfactory results. The DF250RTG seems to like the less teeth rear sprocket just fine.

Considering doing the same modification and reduce the rear sprocket in order to get better top end cruising speed.

Can anyone comment on what the new top speed is with their set up and what the new comfortable highest cruising speed.

For example I can’t imagine holding 70 mph for long at all. As it is right now on my bike 45 mph in 5th gear is comfortable, but at 55+mph it sounds like it’s working too hard, screaming and shaking.

I don’t really feel comfortable holding those high revs for long.

I should mention that my bike is relatively new, with only 500 miles of easy lower RPM riding during these 500 break in miles. I have noticed though that with every 100 miles or so that the bike seems to open up more and more, so maybe it will feel better at higher speeds in time with more miles???

Is it worth modifying the rear sprocket? What’s the new long term cruising high speed without pushing the RPMs?

[Barnone]

Considering doing the same modification and reduce the rear sprocket in order to get better top end cruising speed.

Can anyone comment on what the new top speed is with their set up and what the new comfortable highest cruising speed.

For example I can’t imagine holding 70 mph for long at all. As it is right now on my bike 45 mph in 5th gear is comfortable, but at 55+mph it sounds like it’s working too hard, screaming and shaking.

I don’t really feel comfortable holding those high revs for long.

I should mention that my bike is relatively new, with only 500 miles of easy lower RPM riding during these 500 break in miles. I have noticed though that with every 100 miles or so that the bike seems to open up more and more, so maybe it will feel better at higher speeds in time with more miles???

Is it worth modifying the rear sprocket? What’s the new long term cruising high speed without pushing the RPMs?
I reduced the number of teeth on the rear sprocket on my first DF years ago but don't remember the advantage. So far I am leaving my new DF completely stock. She is running just fine.

[Barnone]

I found my speedo is also off by about 10% at about 30 mph and maybe even worse when in the +40mph range, but then for some reason above that speed my speedometer is more accurate. I found this out yesterday, now that I’ve done more than Han 500 miles, and did the initial service, I rode purposefully rode by one of those digital speed checks and at around 55 mph I expected the speedometer to read 48-50 mph, but it was actually pretty accurate, off by maybe 1-2 mph.

So seems at lower speeds it’s off but then above 55mph appears to be more accurate.

That speedometer percentage being off high at lower speeds and about accurate at higher speeds is weird. Never had that on any of the many motorcycles I have owned over the years. I am going to run another test and report back with the findings.
She is running just great and I am keeping her unmodified.

[Barnone]

Need a rear rack for my DF so I can mount a top box. I can't find one anywhere so I guess I will try and make one.

[Dadbike26]

What grade gas is everyone running? Should I just be using regular? I’ve been running premium. ������

[Dadbike26]

That speedometer percentage being off high at lower speeds and about accurate at higher speeds is weird. Never had that on any of the many motorcycles I have owned over the years. I am going to run another test and report back with the findings.
She is running just great and I am keeping her unmodified.

What did you find from the test? Any interesting results?

[Oldenslow]

What grade gas is everyone running? Should I just be using regular? I’ve been running premium. ������

Honestly -- it'll probably run better and get better mileage with regular. Higher-octane merely delays ignition until later in the compression stroke eliminating knocking in high-compression engines. In the case of these engines, that's not as efficient. Lower-octane fuels are what they call for... AND cheaper.

[Barnone]

What did you find from the test? Any interesting results?

Never got around to running a test.Sold my Ural and bought a 2019 Ryker 600 so I am busy playing with it.

[Barnone]

What grade gas is everyone running? Should I just be using regular? I’ve been running premium. ������
I run regular gasoline in my DF and she is running just fine. She does not have a high compression engine.

[Barnone]

My newest toy is a 2019 Can-Am Ryker 600. It only has 3,010 miles on it so it is like new.

[Barnone]

I have a flat rear tire on my DF. Luckily it went flat in the shop and not out on the road.
Took the wheel off and air is coming out around the tire valve. Hope it is not a spoke-caused hole but didn't look any farther.

[Dadbike26]

My newest toy is a 2019 Can-Am Ryker 600. It only has 3,010 miles on it so it is like new.

This has to be a fun ride. Looks great and basically new!

[Dadbike26]

I have a flat rear tire on my DF. Luckily it went flat in the shop and not out on the road.
Took the wheel off and air is coming out around the tire valve. Hope it is not a spoke-caused hole but didn't look any farther.

Sorry to hear about the tire. And please report back about if the spoke was the culprit. If I remember reading correctly, didn’t you have a wheel/spoke issue with your first DF250 RTG?

[Dadbike26]

I run regular gasoline in my DF and she is running just fine. She does not have a high compression engine.

Thanks I’ll start with the regular gas.

[Dadbike26]

Honestly -- it'll probably run better and get better mileage with regular. Higher-octane merely delays ignition until later in the compression stroke eliminating knocking in high-compression engines. In the case of these engines, that's not as efficient. Lower-octane fuels are what they call for... AND cheaper.

Thank you I had no idea.

[Dadbike26]

My white DF250RTG
Current modifications: Bars, grips, mirrors, digital speedo, seat, blinkers

Speedo still needs to be programmed and I need to figure out a mount. Any suggestions on universal mounts for the gauge cluster? I was thinking one of these might work?

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If anyone is interested in the stock parts I deleted let me know. I don't plan to use the bars, mirrors, or seat for anything. Located in Pensacola FL


Any updates on your modifications? How do you like the clubman bars? Are or those clip ons? Are they killer on the back? Were they difficult to install? Grips come off easy? Also Is the seat any better than stock?

I have clubman bars and grips that I’m waiting to install during the winter months. Figure I won’t ride as much and will have time for this project.

[Dadbike26]

Also does the new handle bar position kill your back? Does it feel more stable at all?

[Barnone]

Sorry to hear about the tire. And please report back about if the spoke was the culprit. If I remember reading correctly, didn’t you have a wheel/spoke issue with your first DF250 RTG?
Yep,I had that problem with my first DF. Had to have the spokes replaced on the rear wheel.
I am going to take it to the guy who did that work as soon as our driveway paving is finished.

[Barnone]

Sorry to hear about the tire. And please report back about if the spoke was the culprit. If I remember reading correctly, didn’t you have a wheel/spoke issue with your first DF250 RTG?
I took the wheel to my local shop in Robbinsville NC to have him check it. He could not find a leak in the tube however when checking the pressure in the tube when it was back on the wheel when he put it together it is still leaking.?????

I took the wheel home and gave it a shot of Fix A Flat and it is not leaking. Put it on the DF and it is not leaking.

I am now back in Fort Myers FL for the winter and if it leaks I will put a new tube in it. Luckily there is no issue with the spokes causing damage to the tube!

[flatlandsouth82]

Ok so ive learned the hard way dont block off the crankcase vent tube when installing the Nibbi setup ok. Lol just got the engine back together thought it was blowed lol!!!

[Barnone]

Been gone from this forum for a while. All is well with the DF and my other scooters/motorcycles, knock on wood.
My new toy for the grandkids.

[Barnone]

Ok so ive learned the hard way dont block off the crankcase vent tube when installing the Nibbi setup ok. Lol just got the engine back together thought it was blowed lol!!!

What is the Nibbi set up? I tend to leave my bike unmodified nowadays. If it ain't broke then I won't fix it!

[Jessmmonty]

I posted in this thread a while back about my new lil' dude getting stolen - was working to get it running again after the ignition was ripped out...

Long story short - I acquired an old '84 Honda Shadow and was having a grand old time with that and then (as it seems is my luck) a tree fell on it in my yard after a storm... so I went back to my DF250RTG.

Replaced my fuse, battery, gas etc and finally rewired a replacement ignition, had to adjust and clean my carb too, but FINALLY got her running again :yay:

There's a question in here I promise ha.

I'm making some slight mods to fix / update some cosmetic stuff since it was stolen and dropped, I'm ordering a new shifter (hate the heel shift) and I'm trying to get some new footpeg rubbers ordered.

Can't for the life of me figure out where to find a decent replacement for what's on the bike, I was looking for brand new pegs initially, but my dumba** didn't realize the set up made it kinda hard to put any fitting on there without replacing the whole mechanism (which I don't want to do right now after all the fiddling I've already had to do to). Anyone have any recs for some decent footpeg rubber covers to replace my torn one?

Thanks a bunch!

-- Jess

[Oldenslow]

eBay, search for "Honda CB125 footpegs". You'll find plenty...

[Barnone]

Lite Hauling

[Barnone]

Been quiet here. All is well with my DF250RTG. My newest toy is this Ebike.

[Barnone]

Made a quick run to the mountains of WNC to haul the DF250RTG and other things that will now live there.
Had two trailers to haul up there and my wife doesn't feel safe hauling a trailer anymore.

[Barnone]

I am going to the mountains for the summer next week and will haul my Ebike and this trailer that is now going to my daughter's place in VA. So hopefully there will be no trailer hauling in the future. LOL

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Hello! It looks like this forum has been dead for a while.
Posting here in hopes that someone can offer advice for a new rider.
I just ordered the DF250RTG from Venom Motorsports, 80% assembled.
Does anyone have any particular advice about these bikes, or experience any particular issues? I just want to know what to watch out for and what to inspect out of the box.
I'm aware of the bike's limitations, and lower general quality control over other bikes, but I'm handy with a wrench, and have been wanting a small-displacement bike for 6yrs.

I'm aware some folks have issues with spokes, brakes, wiring, and fastener quality, but what are some of the other issues to look for?

I can post updates on this forum as we move forward. I just ordered the bike today.

[grumpyunk]

Given the likely date of manufacture, a new battery will likely be needed unless the seller installed one. I'd check all 'snap together' connectors to be sure they are seated, look for or check loose engine mounts, exhaust fasteners, axles, brakes, etc. Sometimes the torque is not applied... Everyone seems to suggest draining the oil and replacing with fresh sold locally oil. Indications are the oil installed is not that good.
Check all fuel fittings, and make sure the throttle cable will return freely.
In general, check for loose fasteners all over.
tom

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Thank you kindly!

I'm interested to hear what peoples' experience is with Venom Motorsports' warranty. I purchased the 3yr, unlimited mileage.

I imagine it might be bunk, but it's better safe than sorry.

What are the most common parts you've had to replace over time, due to QA/QC?

I'm going to hold onto the bike through the winter months, and while I don't want to make any upgrades yet beyond stock, I understand that some part replacement may be necessary.

For this bike in particular, what resources are available for parts, other than Venom? I know the motor is a clone of an older Honda CB motor, but isn't exactly the same.

I understand that this forum has been around for awhile, and a lot of questions have been asked and answered already.
I hope not to frustrate anyone with my questions.
Thank you for your time and experience.

[grumpyunk]

Once you decide on changes, there is a source on FB that sells a few things. One quick change is the shifted woodruff key that advances the spark timing just a bit. You can also get roller-tipped cam followers, and a cam that has a bit more aggressive lift, timing and maybe overlap. Larger bore pistons & cylinders may be fitted. Some require boring the case to accommodate the larger diameter.
Of course a less restrictive exhaust system will help as would a larger bore carb.
All can be done, but the engine is not a performance engine. It was designed for the 'every two year' oil change parts of the world. Brozz250 and CSC both have parts for the engine. There is also a FB member that will port the head. A bare head, or complete, are available if you want to grind your own.
The CSC SG250 engine has a balance shaft mounted down below the starter motor. It is designed to reduce vibration, and of course costs more.
tom

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Bike came in today! Mismatched certificate of origin, but I dunno if that'll be an issue. Corresponding with Venom about it

I'll be putting it together, and I'll send an update soon!

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Bike is together, and it only took a few hours, as I had to figure out how to jack a bike without a bike jack.
Ended up using a step-ladder, and two ratchet straps hooked to the handlebars to lift the front.
Now having issues with stalling, I'm sure it's due to the cold weather here next to Lake Erie. If the issues persist, I know there's a brass plug in the carburator that's hiding the air/fuel mix screw. Has anyone had any luck messing with that?

I appreciate it, ya'll.

[grumpyunk]

When new, the engine is a bit tighter, and will have more trouble idling. You can bump the idle rpm for a few hundred miles, and then back it off as a possible way to prevent stalling. The mix may be a bit lean, or the idle rpm too low. Go with the easy one first, and bump idle rpms.
Used to work in the Mistake by the Lake, i.e., Cleveburg. Years in the past when there were Browns and Indians. And lake effect snow in the eastern high ground. Have not been back since leaving for CA in 1977.
tom

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Thanks for the input, Tom! I'm riding blind here with my first bike, so it's much appreciated.

Messed with the idle speed screw for awhile, and I found a spot that's comfortable for the bike. I imagine it'll have less stalling issues in better weather, and once broken in.

Took it out down the road and back, and noticed some bouncing that gets severe at 35mph. Checked the wheel for trueness, and it's horizontally true, but lopsided vertically. Took the wheel to a locally owned powersports mechanic, and we'll see. I didn't want to mess with it too much, because improperly handled spoked wheels can kill.

So far, I'm actually mildly impressed with the seemingly good parts quality where it matters. The turn signals are junk, so is the taillight, and from what I'm gathering, the spoked wheels can have issues.

48F and rainy here, near Sandusky, OH. Good day to sit in the garage and troubleshoot a bike.

Never been out West yet, Tom, but I grew up in Akron, the "Rubber Capital of the World" of a simpler time.

[grumpyunk]

There is a biker on YT channel named 'Pacific Mike', who laces spoked wheels from a stack of spokes, a hub and a rim. He goes through how to lace them to get round and even tension on the spoked.
I have only one spoked bike any more, my Honda CB350 bought so many years ago, so did not watch too closely. A good bike shop(bicycle moreso than cycle) can tune a wheel so each spoke is as taut as the others, and the rim runs true in both planes. You can spin it and put a finger to impact, and each spoke sounds about the same as the others when they are done properly. It is not rocket science, but you do have to pay attention and likely end up trimming some spokes when done. As a kid with a bike with skinny tires I replaced a few, and new nothing about what i was doing. still vertical and above ground, so it must not have been too far off. wish they had the internet in the '50s.
tom

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Wheel is still in the shop, small business. I'm sure he's a busy man. Snowmobiles are huge around wintertime.

I'd like to thank Barnone, Grumpyunk, Indianaman and JerryHawk250 personally for their experience with this bike, and Chinese bikes in general. This bike is hard to research, and a large portion of my info was gained from this forum. So, gentlemen, you are appreciated.

This is a very cool community, and it's where I'm starting with motorcycles. My next bike may be a Royal Enfield Himalayan, but that's quite a while off yet.

My first ever "bike" was built out of an old mountain bike and a $300 Amazon Chinese moped kit. The sense of freedom I experienced on that little 70cc bike was absolutely astounding to a 15y/o. I've since served 5yrs on Active Duty with the Army, and that has wrought its' own difficulties, but here we stand today.

I'm sure many of you have similar stories, and I appreciate you all for documenting your experiences here.

Merry Christmas, everyone, and I wish you safe riding this upcoming year!

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Decided to put ammo can panniers on it, and working on painting the mudguards, battery covers, and fuel tank John Deere yellow.

Noticed there was minor paint chippage, and the paint job wasn't all that great, so I'm throwing a coat of tractor paint on the metal pieces to prevent rust. I think the yellow will give it a bumblebee look as well.

The ammo can panniers will be using .50 Cal ammo cans, and I think they're a perfect size for this size of bike. I really didn't want to shell out money for saddlebags, so this oughta work. I'm using the same design as "Fortnine" on Youtube.

One mounting point is the rear shock stud, just drilled a hole in the ammo can and mounted it on that stud with the acorn nut. The other mounting point is a piece of 1/2in allthread connecting both cans, resting on top of the bar behind the seat, with the allthread protected by a vinyl hose. The connecting bar is secured to the seat bar with hose clamps.

I may post pictures here of the finished product, if I can figure out how to imbed images.

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Anyone know anything about luggage racks? I'm thinking about putting one on this bike, but with the least fabrication possible.

[SoyBeanSandwich]

Rear sprocket swap installed!

Went from a 38T down to a 35T. I live out in rural OH, with 55mph roads aplenty. Hopefully this will increase the pep in the higher gears.

I also did a LED blinker swap by wiring a resistor into each of the rear signals in order to fool the blinker relay. I'll think about an LED relay swap down the line, and it's not like I'm powering a bunch of electronics.

1,000km achieved! Three oil changes, and the rear drums are no worse for wear.