Dong Fang DF250RTG [Archive] - ChinaRiders Forums

MustangMiddle24

11-10-2018, 07:22 PM

culcune

11-10-2018, 07:25 PM

The specs on the sales website seem exaggerated with claims of 80+Mph and 67MPG.

Exaggerated??!! I hope not because I just bought me a bridge from the same seller...

:lmao:

Barnone

11-10-2018, 09:20 PM

I made a blocking plaie and removed all the air injection plumbing. Cleans up the engine.
As far as top speed and MPG I just got the bike on Friday afternoon in the crate so it will be a while before I break her in. Need to register it anyway before I can do much riding.
My TU250X get up to 85 MPG. Odometer on it is correct.
So I assume the DF250RTG will be ok MPG wise.
$1700 delivered.
Oh, and it did come with four mirrors.

Barnone

11-11-2018, 09:39 AM

I am totally thinking about getting one of these because the price is right. What is the top speed it can get and how is the real world MPG? Does it feel quality enough or rattle bad?

The specs on the sales website seem exaggerated with claims of 80+Mph and 67MPG.

It would be epic if you could make a video of this going down the road since it is so new no one else has!
Just got the bike in the crate on Friday afternoon and just took a short ride after putting it together so cannot answer your questions.

It seems to be decent China bike quality. I have owned about seven Chinese bikes over the years with good success but they are not Japanese bike quality. Don't buy one if you cannot turn a wrench.

Probably won't be able to answer any performance question for a while as I will be breaking in the bike as per the owner's manual.

Don't see the value of a video of the bike going down the road plus don't have a video camera anyway other than my cell phone.

I had two DF250RTBs over the years and the last one I owned for 4 years with little trouble. It had a cruising speed of about 60 MPH. Definitely not an Interstate bike. If you want to go faster than that then this is not the bike for you.

Barnone

11-11-2018, 10:34 AM

Added a mini tack.

JerryHawk250

11-12-2018, 04:48 PM

Any road time yet?

Barnone

11-13-2018, 08:50 AM

Jerry.
Just a few kilometers around the block as the bike is not registered. Hopefully that will be done this week.
The odometer reads in Ks I think. Speedometer might be optimistic as the acceleration seems very good even with low breakin RPMs. I will check it with my speedometer app when I get a Ram cell phone holder for her.
Added some bar end mirrors from Amazon. I have used these on other bike and like them.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0QLNWC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Might want to narrow the handlebars a bit.

You getting some snow in Cajun Land?

JerryHawk250

11-13-2018, 09:12 AM

I'm really liking the bike. :tup: You could always invest in a digital speedo. There are a few out there that would look and work perfect on that bike.

No snow down south but north La. is getting a little.

Barnone

11-13-2018, 09:26 AM

I don't mind the odometer reading in K as my long gone Ural did the same and I got use to it. There is no trip meter but there is a reserve on the petcock.

Weldangrind

11-13-2018, 11:45 AM

Barnone, I suspect you have a cat hidden in that muffler. If so, I bet there's more power hiding in there.

Barnone

11-13-2018, 11:51 AM

Yep. There is cat in the header pipe. Not going to mess with that now. Also doubt that it would make much difference in power.

JerryHawk250

11-13-2018, 12:11 PM

Yep. There is cat in the header pipe. Not going to mess with that now. Also doubt that it would make much difference in power.

From my experience on the hawk it makes a big difference. I would do it after you have it broke in.

Barnone

11-13-2018, 02:17 PM

Removed the cat on many bikes in the past with little or no difference in performance. Just more noise so I will leave it be.

JerryHawk250

11-13-2018, 03:40 PM

Removed the cat on many bikes in the past with little or no difference in performance. Just more noise so I will leave it be.

I guess it's different from bike to bike. Hawk cat was pretty restrictive. It was like pulling a cork. Just removing the cat I had to up the main jets from a 110 to a 115 and the 110 was a little on the fat side with the cat. Porting the head opened it up even more. From looking at the picture I really don't see a cat in the header unless it is in the muffler itself.

Barnone

11-14-2018, 09:19 AM

The owner's manual has a photo that shows that cat in in the header pipe close to where the muffler is so I will leave it be. The engine has a decent sound that I am surprised passed ETA.

The engine is a 165fmm Honda OHC CB250 clone at 223 cc.

The valve adjust adjustment clearances on the metal tag on the frame show a value of .02-.04 mm for both valves.
Does that seem right?

JerryHawk250

11-14-2018, 10:25 AM

MDStroup

11-14-2018, 11:36 AM

Oooh! Another CB option. That is great to know. I wonder what kind of speed you can get from her.

Barnone

11-15-2018, 07:51 AM

I'm sure the CB250 has a less restrictive head and exhaust than the Hawk. .02-.04 mm sounds about right for the CB250.
Do I need an angled feeler gauge to check the valve clearance on the CB250 OHV clone engine? I have straight feeler gauges that I guess could be bent?

Barnone

11-15-2018, 07:52 AM

Oooh! Another CB option. That is great to know. I wonder what kind of speed you can get from her.

Me too! I won't know for several weeks since I am in the break in period.

JerryHawk250

11-15-2018, 07:58 AM

Do I need an angled feeler gauge to check the valve clearance on the CB250 OHV clone engine? I have straight feeler gauges that I guess could be bent?
From looking at your pictures it looks like you could use a straight feeler gauge on the exhaust. Doesn't look like you have much room on the intake side. You may have to use an angled feeler gauge on the intake.

MustangMiddle24

11-16-2018, 06:31 PM

Me too! I won't know for several weeks since I am in the break in period.

What speed are you getting in the break in period and does it struggle to get there? Also are you loctiting everything?

Barnone

11-16-2018, 07:23 PM

What speed are you getting in the break in period and does it struggle to get there? Also are you loctiting everything?

Owned 50 or more bikes ( British bikes, Japanese bike, Chinese bikes, Russian bikes) over the last 60+ years and never loctited any of them and never had a problem with parts falling off. Seems to have good power but I am not pushing her yet. Also need to check the speedometer accuracy.

Barnone

11-16-2018, 07:29 PM

Just got the Certificate of Origin and the sales receipt from the seller so will register her next week. Then I can put some kilometers on her.

Barnone

11-16-2018, 08:53 PM

Remove the upper engine mount at the top. That should give a little more room to get to the aduster.
Yep, tight in that area. Looks like I need a 24mm wrench to take that cap off?

JerryHawk250

11-16-2018, 09:02 PM

Might be easier to get to if you remove the tank.

Barnone

11-16-2018, 10:42 PM

We shall see when I need to do the first valve check/adjustment. Be a while.

Barnone

11-17-2018, 11:22 AM

My valve cap is 23mm on the 200. Should be the same on yours.
jeffery,
Thanks but I measured the nut at 24mm and a 24mm socket fits in it just fine. Headed to Harbor Freight with a 20% off coupon to buy something else so will buy a 24mm wrench too.
What value did you use to set the valve clearances?

Barnone

11-17-2018, 04:28 PM

Sold the CT70 clone but might buy another one as it was a good ride and was easy to haul .

Barnone

11-19-2018, 04:01 PM

Got her all registered and tagged today. Waiting on insurance to be completely legal to ride.

Barnone

11-19-2018, 06:14 PM

First legai ride late today. She moves right along. Doing the slow break-in but did run her up to 50 MPH and the speedometer was only optimistic by 2 MPH so that is good.
50 MPH 4700 RPM on the mini tack in 5th gear.
She seems to handle very well.
Will ride her out to the beach tomorrow looking for a bikini to take some photos like this one from my long gone DF250RTB.

JerryHawk250

11-20-2018, 08:20 AM

Barnone

11-21-2018, 10:28 AM

Off topic but just changed the rear tire on my Suzuki TU250X. Old tire was worn out in just over 5k miles riding in the mountains. Not complaining as the curves and elevation changes are much more fun than here in flat Florida.

Bruces

11-21-2018, 08:29 PM

I would be worried about you riding around in a bikini like that ,but it sounds like you have done it before and survived .

Barnone

11-23-2018, 09:45 AM

Black Friday Pricing at Belmont
https://www.belmontebikes.com/
https://www.belmontebikes.com/products/2018-sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg
$200 off the DF250RTG

MDStroup

11-23-2018, 10:41 PM

I don't remember if the question was ever asked or answered, but is this motorcycle using a CG or CB motor?

Really want a white version.

MDStroup

11-23-2018, 11:40 PM

CB250 OHC 223cc 165fmm
Get a white one at $1599 today.

Nice!!!
So what horse power does this bike have?

I may just do that if my one deal falls through. Looking at buying a Suzuki gs550es Monday!

Barnone

11-25-2018, 11:16 AM

Picked up a set of open end wrenches including a 24mm one. The adjuster covers were very tight.
See the melted rubber on the muffler. Seems I rest my boot heel there. Might have to make a heat shield cover.

Barnone

11-25-2018, 01:28 PM

That CT70 clone might be the 5.5 litre gas tank would give a lot more range than the 2.4 original CT70. By the way yore bike looks good parked at the doughnut shop. But where is the side cover. Picture is on Belmontbikes site.
Belmont asked permission to use my photos on their website and their Facebook account.
The side cover fell off and I was unable to find it. I have one on order from Belmont.
I had one of those Ice Bear CT70 clones and it had the larger tank that you mentioned.

Barnone

11-25-2018, 01:34 PM

Made a foot rest to keep my heel off the muffler.
Thought I had one of these to put on the foot rest around here in my shop but it might be in my shop in WNC.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/113396937578
Now I need to get the melted rubber off the muffler.

Weldangrind

11-25-2018, 03:15 PM

I've removed goo like that from a muffler by getting the muffler good and hot, and then giving it a quick wipe with a wadded up rag. Welding gloves are a good idea.

Barnone

11-25-2018, 03:36 PM

^^^^
I will try that after next ride.

Barnone

11-25-2018, 03:52 PM

Just saw the tiny sticker on the engine that informed me to not exceed 50 kph (31 MPH) for the first 300 km (186 miles) and do the first oil change at 300 km.

chuck

11-25-2018, 06:09 PM

:lmao::lmao:Just saw the tiny sticker on the engine that informed me to not exceed 50 kph (31 MPH) for the first 300 km (186 miles) and do the first oil change at 300 km.
Good luck, trying to control yourself

Barnone

11-26-2018, 08:52 AM

:lmao::lmao:
Good luck, trying to control yourself
Already guilty as I ran her up to 60 the other day. Couldn't help it.

Barnone

11-26-2018, 02:45 PM

Hooked up one of my Aosom bicycle trailers to the DF and took her for a test run. All is well. I use these trailers in the mountains when I have to make a garbage, recycling, grocery, etc run.

Azhule

11-26-2018, 08:22 PM

Just saw the tiny sticker on the engine that informed me to not exceed 50 kph (31 MPH) for the first 300 km (186 miles) and do the first oil change at 300 km.

I wouldn't worry too much about that... I was hitting 80+ mph well before the 10km marker ticked on my China Bike :hehe:

If you do things right, the early onset of excess speed wont hurt these engines/transmissions one bit

Barnone

11-29-2018, 04:43 PM

Just got the pad off Ebay and installed it on the bracket I made to keep my heel off the muffler.
I Wii clean the rubber off with some steel wool and touch it up with some rattle can flat black.

ben2go

11-29-2018, 08:48 PM

Nice upgrade.

MDStroup

12-02-2018, 03:20 PM

Wish the displacement was a bit closer to the 250 mark then what it is, but it is a step in the right direction.
I had a question, what carb is on this bike? Also does anyone know what the compression is?

Barnone

12-02-2018, 04:25 PM

Zongshen 250cc 165FMM Air Cooled Motorcycle Engine
Performance Parameter
Engine Mode ZS165FMM
Engine Name CB250D-G
Engine Type Single cylinder,4-stroke, air-cooling,camshaft upward
Displacement(ml) 223
Dimension(mm×mm×mm) 375×297×405
Net Weight(kg) 31
Max.Power(kw/r/min) 12/7000
Max.Torque(N.m/r/min) 17.5/5500
Compression Ratio 9.3-9.9:1
Bore and Stroke(mm×mm) 65.5×62.2
Ignition method CDI
Lubrication method Pressure and Splash
Min.Fuel Consumption(a/Kw.h) ≤354
Starting method Electric/kick
Clutch method Manual Wet Multi-Plate
Gearshift Method Constant mesh,two stage transmission, 5-speed Gearshift

Barnone

12-02-2018, 04:42 PM

Carb Dekni PZ30

Tuning manual PZ30 is like PZ26
http://www.ccwthariders.com/uploads/9/7/7/9/9779070/pz_carb_tuning_manual.pdf

Azhule

12-02-2018, 05:15 PM

What China bike were you riding at 80+ MPH?

I like to ride the Mrs. Bashan "WILL" 200 at those speeds to get myself to the mountain trails a wee bit faster :D I have held 75 to 80+ mph for several hours (2 to 4) at a time and the bike is still running strong after 4k miles :crazy:

197cc Lifan engine is powering that little bike... 17t and 39t sprockets to help get that highway speed... little issues "off road/mountain trailing" with that gearing choice and my massive 108lbs on the bike (lost some more weight recently :cry: )

Riggs

12-02-2018, 05:44 PM

Hooked up one of my Aosom bicycle trailers to the DF and took her for a test run. All is well. I use these trailers in the mountains when I have to make a garbage, recycling, grocery, etc run.

Hey Barnone. How fast can you go towing that bicycle trailer?

And if trailer is modified please elaborate. Thanks.

Barnone

12-02-2018, 06:04 PM

Never over 65 MPH towing the trailer behind my long gone W650. Only mod is changing out the tires and wheels from the bicycle ones after they wore out. Now I am running pit bike wheels on both the trailers. Have one of the trailers in Fort Myers Fl for the winter. The other is in WNC close to Robbinsville, NC. Use the one in the mountains a lot. Not so much in FL.

Azhule

12-02-2018, 11:54 PM

Have you checked the accuracy of your speedometer?

I have, it has a digital Trail Tech Vapor with an extremely accurate speedo after I measured the wheel and did the initial maths, took a ride, it was a little off and I played around with the numbers for a few rides until it was dead on accurate with a 5 mile trip from pops garage to a local gas station.

Now with 83 mph showing on both a follow vehicle and 2 GPS devices (one phone, one garmin) and the bike was showing 82.6 (and slowly climbing) mph on the speedo :hehe:

No way I would still be around going slow on I-25... round these parts speed limit is 65 to 75 mph from my house to the mountains... traffic rarely goes slower than 80 though...

MDStroup

12-03-2018, 12:30 AM

I have, it has a digital Trail Tech Vapor with an extremely accurate speedo after I measured the wheel and did the initial maths, took a ride, it was a little off and I played around with the numbers for a few rides until it was dead on accurate with a 5 mile trip from pops garage to a local gas station.

Now with 83 mph showing on both a follow vehicle and 2 GPS devices (one phone, one garmin) and the bike was showing 82.6 (and slowly climbing) mph on the speedo :hehe:

No way I would still be around going slow on I-25... round these parts speed limit is 65 to 75 mph from my house to the mountains... traffic rarely goes slower than 80 though...

Wow! That engine has some get up and go!! What model exactly do you have?

MDStroup

12-03-2018, 12:32 AM

Carb Dekni PZ30
No choke but it starts up just fine if you give it a little throttle.
Tuning manual PZ30 is like PZ26
http://www.ccwthariders.com/uploads/9/7/7/9/9779070/pz_carb_tuning_manual.pdf
Thanks. So it doesn't look like you can upgrade the carb to a larger one as it already has a larger one on it.

Azhule

12-03-2018, 12:23 PM

Wow! That engine has some get up and go!! What model exactly do you have?

Goes by many "model names"

Bashan "WILL" 200 ; BS200GY-9 ; Roketa DB-03-200 ; was last made back in 2014

Well, I think that is enough of my nonsense in Barnone's thread :D this is about a DF250RTG after all :hehe:

Barnone

12-04-2018, 01:03 PM

Put some saddlebags on her.

2LZ

12-04-2018, 05:42 PM

Wow! That engine has some get up and go!! What model exactly do you have?

Azhule has the World's Faster Bashan WILL! Of course, it helps that he tips the scales at about 85 pounds, soaking wet... ;-)

Azhule

12-04-2018, 06:08 PM

Azhule has the World's Faster Bashan WILL! Of course, it helps that he tips the scales at about 85 pounds, soaking wet... ;-)

It's amazing how fast a toothpick can go sitting on top of an engine with wheels :lol: , I'm free for any land speed records if anyone wants the same title on their bike ("Worlds Fastest China Bike" badge/sticker sales soon to follow) :hehe:

Nice saddlebags, is the exhaust heat going to be friendly with them being that close?

Barnone

12-07-2018, 12:47 PM

More photos. Off to the beach to find a bikini model.

JerryHawk250

12-07-2018, 01:49 PM

Bags and foot rest look nice. :tup:

MDStroup

12-07-2018, 03:08 PM

Loving how this is turning out so far. Will definitely keep my on this as my other motorcycle deal fell thru.

Keep us updated if any mechanical problems arise! Hoping none do for you though.

I only hope one day they will start selling a china bike that is highway capable.

Barnone

12-07-2018, 05:36 PM

Only have 200 KMS on her. No issues , knock on wood.
You need to look at the Chinese Genuine G400C that is finally coming to the USA. That bike is Interstate capable.
Didn't find any bikini models at the beach so will have to try again.

Barnone

12-09-2018, 09:35 AM

Fixing to head out to the ranch to do some more mowing.

ben2go

12-09-2018, 12:15 PM

I'm about to go shovel snow and ice.

Barnone

12-12-2018, 09:45 AM

I'm about to go shovel snow and ice.

It was 45 f this morning here in SWFL. Too cold for me.

Barnone

12-13-2018, 05:27 PM

Nothing exciting. Just oiling and adjusting the chain. Sure would be nice to have a centerstand. Installed some flush mounted rear LED turn signals and going to install the same on the front.

ben2go

12-13-2018, 05:32 PM

I know what you mean. That center stand cost pocket change for us. In China, that's a day's wages.

Barnone

12-13-2018, 06:01 PM

I know what you mean. That center stand cost pocket change for us. In China, that's a day's wages.
My Suzuki TU250X doesn't have a center stand either.

Azhule

12-13-2018, 06:06 PM

Installed some flush mounted rear LED turn signals and going to install the same on the front.

Can't see the design of the turn signals so I'm tossing this out there :)

Did you check local laws and measure the distance between them? In some states the turn signals must be a certain number of inches apart or cops get all giddy and start handing out plenty of tickets :hehe:

JerryHawk250

12-13-2018, 08:21 PM

Having a center stand is a life saver for waxing and cleaning the chain or fixing a flat. That why I fabricated my own.

Barnone

12-14-2018, 10:42 AM

Having a center stand is a life saver for waxing and cleaning the chain or fixing a flat. That why I fabricated my own.
I would like to see photos of your center stand to see if I could rig one up for the DF and TU.

JerryHawk250

12-14-2018, 10:49 AM

I would like to see photos of your center stand to see if I could rig one up for the DF and TU.
Click on the link in my signature. It's attached to my skid plate but you sure could fabricate some kind of adapter plate.

MustangMiddle24

12-23-2018, 10:51 PM

Barnone

01-01-2019, 04:10 PM

Had a nice ride out to the ranch today. First time in a while that I didn't have to haul stuff out there in my truck.

jsumd

01-12-2019, 06:40 PM

I'm seriously thinking about getting one of these with my redneck Christmas check. Very nice

Barnone

01-15-2019, 11:47 AM

Now I can park the Dong in front at the Starbucks down the street.

JerryHawk250

01-15-2019, 11:48 AM

Now I can park the Dong in front at the Starbucks down the street.
LOL, Love it. :tup:

Barnone

01-18-2019, 01:18 PM

Restoration of the 1929 BMW R25 is complete. Front disk is not original. LOL

JerryHawk250

01-18-2019, 01:30 PM

Nice restoration. lol. She's looking good. :)

jsumd

01-18-2019, 04:45 PM

Now I can park the Dong in front at the Starbucks down the street.

Don't forget the MacBook to write your novel.

Barnone

01-19-2019, 07:55 PM

Don't forget the MacBook to write your novel.
Oh? I gotta go buy a MacBook now?

ben2go

01-20-2019, 02:27 PM

Oh? I gotta go buy a MacBook now?
Well, the well-rounded hipsters always carry MacBooks and are in the middle of writing novels or screen plays. They also seem to favor riding around on older Euro bikes or Cafe Racers.

Barnone

01-30-2019, 02:32 PM

Page Field Fort Myers FL
Kinda chilly here in FL @ 60 F.

JerryHawk250

01-30-2019, 02:35 PM

Nice shot! :tup:

ben2go

01-31-2019, 10:35 AM

Page Field Fort Myers FL
Kinda chilly here in FL @ 60 F.
I believe Robbinsville got a little ice a few days ago.

Barnone

02-03-2019, 10:01 PM

I believe Robbinsville got a little ice a few days ago.
Yep,glad I am in flat Florida. Be back in R'ville soon.
Swimming with the grandsons today here in FL.

Barnone

02-07-2019, 07:07 AM

Off topic but I ordered a e-bike in the crate and am having fun ridling it around the hood.
Added some plastic ammo boxes and a trailer hookup so I could carry more stuff. Also pull that trailer behind the DF and the TU.

Barnone

02-07-2019, 07:09 AM

Trailer behind the DF.

ben2go

02-07-2019, 09:31 AM

That electric bike should do well down in FL. No hills to kill the battery fast.

Merlin

02-07-2019, 10:30 AM

Page Field Fort Myers FL
Kinda chilly here in FL @ 60 F.
Could you post a link for those black saddle bags? I've found em in brown but my black bike need black bags. Thanks

Barnone

02-08-2019, 11:00 PM

Could you post a link for those black saddle bags? I've found em in brown but my black bike need black bags. Thanks

They are small.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019F9GKEQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

MDStroup

02-24-2019, 01:31 AM

I have always meant to ask, what are the differences between this bike and the new CSC "cafe racer"?

Barnone

02-25-2019, 10:24 PM

$2400 vs $1700?
I don't know anything about the CSC Cafe Racer.
Google both bikes and see the difference.

Barnone

02-26-2019, 12:28 PM

Took a ride out to the ranch to feed the cows and donkeys. The donkeys were not so keen on the moto as they had never seen one before but they got use to it when they smelled the sweet feed.

60 MPH on speedometer is 57 MPH on GPS app, not bad.

Miss not having a trip odometer but it does have reserve on the petcock.
It does have a choke. Just found it on the carb.

She moves right along.
She is going to be more fun in the mountains of WNC than in flat Florida.

MustangMiddle24

02-28-2019, 10:04 AM

What tires came with the bike and do they seem like decent quality so far?

Barnone

03-07-2019, 03:08 PM

http://www.df-motor.com/product_show.asp?id=750
https://www.belmontebikes.com/collections/200cc-250cc/products/2018-sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?variant=13650188468290

Tires seem to be just fine.

2LZ

03-07-2019, 03:24 PM

Really cool bike, Barnone. Nice to see others getting the stuff we in CA can only drool over!

Barnone

03-10-2019, 10:50 PM

The choke is on the carburetor and I didn't know it existed until I saw it one day. It has three positions and I had been running on half choke since I put the bike together. As you can guess it really wakes up when it is running with the choke off. WOW

The tires are the Cordial brand.

Changed the taillight to a retro one.

Barnone

03-10-2019, 10:58 PM

Off topic but last Sunday I bought a 2012 Royal Enfield 500 with a Cozy sidecar attached.
It has less than 3 k miles on it. Fun to drive.

ben2go

03-11-2019, 01:24 PM

Did you sell the Ural?

Barnone

03-12-2019, 09:14 AM

Did you sell the Ural?

Sold it last fall to a Russian from NYC that had it picked up from me in WNC and taken to LA for an addition to a rental fleet. $300 a day.
Wanted to try a lighter weight sidecar rig.
Thought about putting a sidecar on my TU but found the RE at a great price, almost the same as adding a sidecar to my TU. Gonna haul it along with the DF to the mountains in a few months where both will be much more fun to ride than here in Southwest Florida.

Barnone

03-12-2019, 09:27 AM

I lost the left side cover on my DF, maybe I didn't have it snapped on properly. The dealer wanted $79 for a replacement so I put on a number plate that I had in the junk box.
Had to make up an 8 until I could get one.

Barnone

03-19-2019, 11:02 PM

I received a package today from China and it was a replacement for the side panel that I lost months ago. I never contacted them about the lost panel, maybe they found about it here. I will make sure it is properly installed.

Barnone

03-22-2019, 08:37 PM

Installed the cover and put a zip tie under so it can't be seen just in case it tries to fly away again.

RedCrowRides

03-23-2019, 08:00 AM

- On that sidecover deal ,HD Sportsters have one side cover that is notorious for flying off ,the problem literally went on for years ,to the point YouTube has a veritable plethora of Videos showing how to zip tie that cover down to avoid the issue .

It really didn't matter if the retainer clips were properly engaged or not ,it would still fly off at speed with alarming regularity , I suspect your experience may be a similar situation , if there is a way to add a little zip tie magic as backup in an unobtrusive manner I'd highly recommend it .

Barnone

03-23-2019, 06:43 PM

I did put a zip tie on it as I said in my previous message.

ben2go

03-24-2019, 01:51 PM

Barnone

04-07-2019, 08:21 PM

Think I can fool the BMW guys?

ben2go

04-09-2019, 02:50 PM

Nah, the cylinders aren't laid out left and right.

Barnone

04-09-2019, 04:15 PM

BMW R25 drive shaft model. Mine is the chain drive model.

ben2go

04-10-2019, 08:57 PM

I forgot about those.

Barnone

04-19-2019, 08:41 PM

Going to head to the mountains of Western North Carolina where the motorcycle riding is wonderful in a month for the summer. The girls are ready to go.

Barnone

04-28-2019, 09:06 PM

Something a little different. My new to me 2012 Royal Enfield C5 with Cozy sidecar with some optional upgrades. At the local RE dealer's open house bikini bike wash.

culcune

04-29-2019, 12:06 AM

Wow...those are some nice farkles!!

Barnone

04-29-2019, 08:18 AM

^^^^^
Unfortunately or maybe fortunately they did not stay on the rig.

solo

05-01-2019, 01:29 PM

This bike is electric start only? No kick start? It has disc brake front and drum break rear? And the absolute maximum top speed is 80ish mph?

Barnone

05-01-2019, 02:43 PM

This bike is electric start only? No kick start? It has disc brake front and drum break rear? And the absolute maximum top speed is 80ish mph?
If you are asking about the RE it has a kickstarter and estart.
The DF does not have a kick starter.

solo

05-02-2019, 03:15 PM

If you are asking about the RE it has a kickstarter and estart.
The DF does not have a kick starter.

I'm referring to DF250RTG/Venom Sportster Chopper 250cc (was told same bike). What is DF and RE exactly? I'm guessing shortening of model names.

Barnone

05-02-2019, 09:21 PM

I'm referring to DF250RTG/Venom Sportster Chopper 250cc (was told same bike). What is DF and RE exactly? I'm guessing shortening of model names.

The DF250RTG does not have a kick starter. It is a carb bike so is easy to push start if needed.

culcune

05-02-2019, 09:28 PM

The DF250RTG does not have a kick starter. It is a carb bike so is easy to push start if needed.

Since it uses the same engine as all the Dongfang full-size bikes, you should be able to add one if you needed to? But, as you pointed out you don't necessarily need one.

solo

05-04-2019, 02:28 AM

Since it uses the same engine as all the Dongfang full-size bikes, you should be able to add one if you needed to? But, as you pointed out you don't necessarily need one.
I see. Off-topic question, does any kickstart kit work. Is there a specific one I have to buy. Can you recommend a kickstart kit for the DF250RTG?

solo

05-04-2019, 02:36 AM

So what is the top speed exactly of DF250RTG? Some websites clain 60 mph, some 70 mph. I recall someone in this forum saying 80 mph. Which one is? DF250RTG is 100 lbs lighter then the DF250RTC. This has to be the reason why DF250RTC top speed is 5 mph slower than DF250RTG, according to ww.df-motor.com.

Barnone

05-04-2019, 09:58 AM

I see. Off-topic question, does any kickstart kit work. Is there a specific one I have to buy. Can you recommend a kickstart kit for the DF250RTG?

Would be difficult to install a kickstarter on the DF250RTG as the photo indicates.
A new engine cover would be required plus the muffler would probably need to be modified and internal parts added. I have had many bikes with kickstarters and never used them so I don't think it is necessary. If you insist on getting a bike with a kickstarter you should look at a different bike. Batteries today are very good and if one failed on the DF it would be easy to push start.

Don't know what the top speed is of the DF250RTG as I have had mine only up to 65 or so MPH indicated. You want a high speed bike you should look at a larger displacement one.
The engine is a 223 cc 165FMM engine.

I think this a very good bike for the $1800 delivered.

https://www.belmontebikes.com/collections/200cc-250cc/products/2018-sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?variant=13650188468290

Barnone

05-04-2019, 10:09 AM

Since it uses the same engine as all the Dongfang full-size bikes, you should be able to add one if you needed to? But, as you pointed out you don't necessarily need one.

I don't know of any current DF bikes that have a kickstarter. I think they all have the 223cc 165FMM engine.
http://www.df-motor.com/Product.asp?BigClassName=Motorcycles

culcune

05-04-2019, 10:24 AM

solo

05-04-2019, 12:26 PM

Would be difficult to install a kickstarter on the DF250RTG as the photo indicates.
A new engine cover would be required plus the muffler would probably need to be modified and internal parts added. I have had many bikes with kickstarters and never used them so I don't think it is necessary. If you insist on getting a bike with a kickstarter you should look at a different bike. Batteries today are very good and if one failed on the DF it would be easy to push start.

Don't know what the top speed is of the DF250RTG as I have had mine only up to 65 or so MPH indicated. You want a high speed bike you should look at a larger displacement one.
The engine is a 223 cc 165FMM engine.

I think this a very good bike for the $1800 delivered.

https://www.belmontebikes.com/collections/200cc-250cc/products/2018-sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?variant=13650188468290Thanks for the information. The DF250RTG is pretty much the poor man's Kymco Spade 150. Identical in terms of speed and weight.

solo

05-04-2019, 12:39 PM

I don't know of any current DF bikes that have a kickstarter. I think they all have the 223cc 165FMM engine.
http://www.df-motor.com/Product.asp?BigClassName=Motorcycles

Is engine of DF250RTG reliable. Does the engine feel sketchy at high speeds. Does it power wheelie? Is it good in stop in go traffic? How does the exhaust sound? Is it on the louder side? Does this bike have good low-end or mid-end or high-end power? Sorry if I ask too many question.

Barnone

05-04-2019, 01:01 PM

Their dual-sport photos show one, but then again, does anyone actually sell their dual-sport? No one here seems to report owning anything other than their street bikes (including you). And as you pointed out, it seems more of a hassle to retroactively fit one if one were to be found, other than finding a DF dual-sport being parted out on Ebay.
DF250RTE might have a kickstarter and it in the picture but that might be the 167FMM engine at 229cc instead of the 165FMM at 223cc in the DF250RTG.

I don't think the 167FMM engine is EPA compliant in the USA anymore?

The DF250RTE is available at the same place where I bought my DF250RTG
https://www.belmontebikes.com/products/2018-dongfang-hawk-250cc-gas-dirt-bike-df250rte

Barnone

05-04-2019, 01:27 PM

Is engine of DF250RTG reliable. Does the engine feel sketchy at high speeds. Does it power wheelie? Is it good in stop in go traffic? How does the exhaust sound? Is it on the louder side? Does this bike have good low-end or mid-end or high-end power? Sorry if I ask too many question.

Don't know if the engine is reliable as I don't have many miles on the bike.

Don't know what sketchy means.

I don't do power wheelies.

Does not have a problem keeping up in traffic.

It has a decent sound but not too loud.

It is a 223cc OHC engine
Manufacturer specs take with a grain of salt!
Max.Power(kw/r/min) 12/7000=16 HP
Max.Torque(N.m/r/min) 17.5/5500=12.9 lbf.ft

The Kymco Spade is a monkey bike. I have had several of those types of bikes.
Great fun bikes.
150cc
https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-kymco-spade-is-the-cheap-new-2-999-motorcycle-1797922486
"The bike’s utility is limited by its speed—or lack thereof. At full bore on a flat road, I managed to eke about 60 mph out the bike "
The Spade’s claimed hp is 12.5 horsepower at 7,000 RPM and again taken with a grain of salt.
Spade 150 $3,199 MSRP*
*
Plus Set-Up and Destination Charges

solo

05-04-2019, 03:56 PM

Don't know if the engine is reliable as I don't have many miles on the bike.

Don't know what sketchy means.

I don't do power wheelies.

Does not have a problem keeping up in traffic.

It has a decent sound but not too loud.

It is a 223cc OHC engine
Manufacturer specs take with a grain of salt!
Max.Power(kw/r/min) 12/7000=16 HP
Max.Torque(N.m/r/min) 17.5/5500=12.9 lbf.ft

The Kymco Spade is a monkey bike. I have had several of those types of bikes.
Great fun bikes.
150cc
https://jalopnik.com/the-2018-kymco-spade-is-the-cheap-new-2-999-motorcycle-1797922486
"The bike’s utility is limited by its speed—or lack thereof. At full bore on a flat road, I managed to eke about 60 mph out the bike "
The Spade’s claimed hp is 12.5 horsepower at 7,000 RPM and again taken with a grain of salt.
Spade 150 $3,199 MSRP*
*
Plus Set-Up and Destination Charges

Sketchy as in unsafe or dangerous at high speed. So 60 mph on flat with DF250RTG without redlining it. And 65 mph on flat with DF250RTG redlining? assuming it's on 5th gear (final gear). The DF250RTG ia only 3 inches in length longer than the Spase 150. It can be considered a mini street bike like the Groms and Z125. How much miles do you have currently on your DF250RTG? I'm leaning strongly towards buying the DF250RTG or the ADV 190.

Barnone

05-04-2019, 04:02 PM

Never have red lined the DF250RTG.
Unsafe at high speed? Motorcycles are dangerous at high speed.
Buy whatever you want.

solo

05-04-2019, 04:08 PM

Never have red lined the DF250RTG.
Unsafe at high speed?
Buy whatever you want.

Yes because these are chinese motorcycle not japanese motorcycle.

solo

05-04-2019, 04:12 PM

DF250RTE might have a kickstarter and it in the picture but that might be the 167FMM engine at 229cc instead of the 165FMM at 223cc in the DF250RTG.

I don't think the 167FMM engine is EPA compliant in the USA anymore?

The DF250RTE is available at the same place where I bought my DF259RTG
https://www.belmontebikes.com/products/2018-dongfang-hawk-250cc-gas-dirt-bike-df250rte
Thanks for the suggestion, I might consider it.

Barnone

05-04-2019, 04:15 PM

Yes because these are chinese motorcycle not japanese motorcycle.

If you are blaming the bike then you should not buy one.

culcune

05-04-2019, 04:37 PM

I just looked at the EPA/DOT list and the 165FMM engine is the one certified across their lineup for 2019. So, the kickstarter might be a no go for newest the dual-sport, if we even get any of the new ones.

Barnone

06-19-2019, 08:18 PM

Finally got the bikes to the mountains of Western North Carolina where the riding is great.
The DF by the UPS "shed".

Barnone

06-20-2019, 08:40 PM

On our bridge across the creek.

JerryHawk250

06-21-2019, 09:21 AM

Nice pics of the DF. :tup: Like the UPS shed.

Barnone

06-24-2019, 01:49 PM

Had to take a run into town to pick up a prescription for my wife so it was the DF's turn. She is a pleasure to ride on the curves and elevation changes here in the mountains of Western North Carolina. She moves right along.

Stopped here on the way back to catch up on all the local gossip.

Need a center stand!!!

Barnone

06-27-2019, 06:42 PM

Great day for riding here in the mountains of Western NC and Eastern TN. The DF is a joy to ride here.

Barnone

06-27-2019, 06:45 PM

It's a 1929 BMW R25! The guy on the other BMW is on a ride from NYC to LA CA.

Barnone

07-01-2019, 08:02 AM

Me on the Dragon Eastern TN and Western NC.
Fun ride.

JerryHawk250

07-01-2019, 08:19 AM

:tup: Great pic. I envy you. One of these days I'll make it there. I was going to go last year with my brother-in-law but had other obligations to take care of first.

Barnone

07-01-2019, 08:57 AM

Jerry,
Let me know if you come and we can meet up. I should be here in WNC until late October.
Be riding my DF or this.

JerryHawk250

07-01-2019, 09:14 AM

Sounds like a plan to me. Now all I have to do is talk my brother-in-law into leaving one of his bikes home so we will only need one trailer and truck to make the trip. lol

Barnone

07-01-2019, 01:00 PM

Sounds like a plan to me. Now all I have to do is talk my brother-in-law into leaving one of his bikes home so we will only need one trailer and truck to make the trip. lol
How many bikes you all bringing?

JerryHawk250

07-01-2019, 02:11 PM

How many bikes you all bringing?

Three and possibly four if I put the Hawk in back of the truck.

Barnone

07-05-2019, 09:41 AM

Celebrating the 4th of July on my RE rig. Just great to ride the bikes here in the mountains of Western NC and Eastern TN.
Today is the DF's turn the be ridden

Barnone

07-09-2019, 03:49 PM

Got 200 km or 120 miles with 1.4 gallons of fuel which equals 85.71 MPG on the DF today here in the mountains of WNC.

JerryHawk250

07-09-2019, 04:00 PM

Got 200 km or 120 miles with 1.4 gallons of fuel which equals 85.71 MPG on the DF today here in the mountains of WNC.

Wow! that's pretty good. :tup: I only average around 65 mpg on my Hawk.

Barnone

07-13-2019, 09:05 PM

I get better MPG on all my bikes here in the mountains as there are no stop lights and very little traffic. Less MPG in Florida because of all the lights and stop and go traffic. Performance seems very good for 223 cc. I thought the speedometer was optimistic but comparing it to the speedometer app on my phone it is off maybe 2 MPH at 60 MPH.
The DF parked next to a hot shot female's bike. She really smokes the Dragon. I did pass two Harleys today on the Dragon, that pisses them off.
The DT250RTG is a fun bike to ride here in the mountains with all the curves and elevation changes.

Barnone

07-13-2019, 09:17 PM

Lots of photos of my Royal Enfield flying the flag on the 4th of July.

JerryHawk250

07-30-2019, 03:00 PM

I'm glad to see someone is out enjoying riding there bike. :tup: Dang rain just doesn't want to go away from here. Forecast for the weekend looks god though. I don't mind getting a little wet. :D

Barnone

07-30-2019, 04:54 PM

I got soaked on the way home today. By mistake I didn't pack my rain jacket ! It is on the DF now. Get wet just about every ride but I don't leave the house if is raining. Been a wet summer here so far. I am kinda use to it.

JerryHawk250

07-30-2019, 05:15 PM

My rain suite stays in my trunk. Rain storms can pop up any time during the summer here.

Barnone

07-30-2019, 06:01 PM

My rain jacket was suppose to be in right saddlebag but a senior moment left it having on a hook in the basement. The rain pants were in the left saddlebag.

Barnone

08-01-2019, 09:19 AM

A guy asked me if my DF was a Triumph and he was serious. I just pointed to my license plate tag and he was happy.
Kinda dwarfed by the real BMW.

Barnone

08-01-2019, 09:23 AM

Added a small top box to the back so I could carry more stuff. Maybe will fit a milk crate.
On the Dragon US 129 WNC ETN. Lots of crashes there.

RedCrowRides

08-01-2019, 05:51 PM

Woot i crashed on the Dragon , did not get hurt and bike only got minor scrapes.

Barnone

08-01-2019, 06:01 PM

Red Crow,
Don't know if you read the sign on the tree behind my DF but it says BUSA DOWN which is what we call any bike crash on the Dragon.

Thom Foolery

08-02-2019, 10:34 PM

Barnone

Hello, fellow df250rtg owner here.
I never received an owners/users manual, the company I got it from is pretty terrible.
That being said, you seem to be the only other person on the internet that owns one. I hope you don't mind me asking a couple of questions.

What is the recommended oil? I'm nearing the 150 mile mark.

I found my choke a few months back but never messed with it, I think its sitting in the middle but don't remember without running out to my garage, any recommendations?

Barnone

08-02-2019, 11:47 PM

Congrats on getting a DF250RTG. Nice little bike.

I didn't find the choke on my DF for a while either. In the middle is half choke and I think up is full choke and down is off choke or vice versa.

She will run very good and strong when the engine is warmed up and the choke is off.

My DF is completely stock except I did remove the air injection pump and put a plate over the inlet where the air is injected.

As far as the oil goes after 300 kms (odometer is in km not miles) I put in Shell Rotella Full Synthetic 15W40 which I run in all my diesel tractors and motorcycles.

Engine oil specified in the manual is 15w40

Thom Foolery

08-03-2019, 06:27 AM

Thank you so much! I feel like that is some need to know information. And yes it is a fun little bike! And in my opinion a great bike for the money!
Thanks again for your time.

Thom Foolery

08-03-2019, 07:14 AM

Also; is their any benefit to removing the air pump? I've seen other people mention this on other sites, but I'm not sure I ever saw an explanation as to why.
Thanks again.

Barnone

08-03-2019, 09:34 AM

Keep us updated with you experience with the bike and please post some photos.

I am surprised that more of the DF250RTG haven't sold. It is a solid simple little lightweight bike.

I am thinking about buying another one and putting a lightweight sidecar on it. Maybe this winter when I am back in Southwest Florida.

At the overlook on the Dragon US 129 ETN/WNC

Barnone

08-03-2019, 09:45 AM

Also; is their any benefit to removing the air pump? I've seen other people mention this on other sites, but I'm not sure I ever saw an explanation as to why.
Thanks again.
I think removing the air pump will make the engine run a little cooler. Plus cleans up the engine a bit. No big deal either way.

I do not plan to remove the catalytic converter. I think the engine with the stock muffler sounds just great. Not too loud but nice note. Also the carb seems to be jetted just fine as is.

I did add a piece of metal to the bike to keep the heel of my boot off the muffler.

Thom Foolery

08-03-2019, 02:54 PM

You've got a very good looking bike.
I've not really done any modifications to mine. Did wrap the exhaust, I know it's not for everyone but I think it fits the bike. And I agree the exhaust on the bike sounds good, got a nice low rumble to it.

I rode to work this morning, and put the choke all the way down and wow I could tell a difference immediately. So thank you for that information!

Barnone

08-03-2019, 04:12 PM

Like that white. First one I have seen. Maybe someone here will buy a red one. Oh I did change the turn signals which I would not do again.
Any trouble registering your DF?

Thom Foolery

08-04-2019, 06:40 AM

I originally wanted the black, but I'm pretty satisfied with the white.
The only registration problems I had was because they sent me the tittle with the wrong year.... So after another week I was able to get it registered with no further problems. Did you have any registration issues?

Honestly any negative issues I've had with the bike are more to do with the company I received it from.
Wrong tittle
Only received 2 of 4 mirrors
No user/owners manual

My speedometer broke in the first month, but the company is so bad they ignored me for the next two months in order to run out my limited warranty. The worst customer service I've ever experienced.
So I tell everyone I recommend the DongFang but to stay away from RedFoxPowerSports. (Hope it's ok to put up the name, really want to warn people away from them.)

Barnone

08-04-2019, 08:43 AM

Fine with me to name a poor seller.

I don't remember have any problems registering my DF. Bought mine here https://www.belmontebikes.com/collections/200cc-250cc/products/2018-sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?variant=13650188468290

I lost the left side cover somewhere so ordered another from them. Probably my fault. It arrived from China in a month or so. I drilled a hole in it at the bottom and zip tied it so it hopefully won't be lost again.

I received the four mirrors but didn't use them as I had some better bar end mirrors in my junk box.

Fixing to head to the Dragon for a run before the rains start.

Barnone

08-04-2019, 12:46 PM

Oil page from manual.

Thom Foolery

08-05-2019, 08:54 PM

Thanks for posting that page. I think I might try to see if Belmontbikes can get me a copy of the manual. I assume you had to order your replacement side panel from them?

Barnone

08-05-2019, 10:54 PM

The manual is kinda of a generic one. Not worth a lot of effort to get it in my opinion. It was for a different model of Dong Fang with the same 165fmm CB125 clone engine. There are videos on Youtube to do all the maintenance on the DF.

Belmont ordered the panel I lost and it came in the mail from China.

Barnone

08-10-2019, 06:40 PM

Does my DF makes me look fat or is it the riding suit? LOL That is one of the Honda riding suits from back in the 1990's and still in good shape. 30 years old.

The DF is a blast to ride here in the mountains of WNC/ETN. It has enough juice.

Barnone

08-18-2019, 07:31 AM

Barnone

08-18-2019, 07:43 AM

Couple more photos

JerryHawk250

08-19-2019, 08:36 AM

My DF ($1800) is dwarfed by a Honda Rune ($20,000) and a Kawasaki Concours 14 ($13,000) at the Deal's Gap Motorcycle Resort at the start of the Dragon on the North Carolina side.
Guess which one gets the most questions?

Not knocking the big bikes as they will eat up the miles in comfort and speed.

The bike looks a lot smaller than I thought it was. But know it was just as much fun if not more than the big bikes. :D One of these days I'll make it up that way and ride the Dragon.

Barnone

08-19-2019, 09:30 AM

^^^^^
Jerry,
Yep it is small but also nice and lightweight.
I thought you were coming to the Dragon?
I am in SW Florida (family funeral) and will be back in motorcycle mecca by Sunday. I will be there until late October.

Selling my Royal Enfield with Cozy sidecar so might put a light weight sidecar on my DF.

JerryHawk250

08-19-2019, 09:35 AM

Too much going on around the house right now. I am planning on taking a vacation towards the end of September. Should be nice and cool by them.
A side car on that little bike will look great.

NzBrakelathes

09-01-2019, 09:14 AM

I do not understand why the VERY popular Dual Sport bikes in the USA run the CG motor (cheaper older design less power) yet this bike runs a CB OHC engine, so they must meet EPA or regulation?
If anything the CG is a retro old design and the CB is a slightly more modern and wee bit more powerful engine better suited to off road.

You guys sure get some weird stuff States side

franque

09-01-2019, 09:19 AM

CB is older than CG. The CG was designed after they discovered that running the cam in plain bearings (à la CB) would cause them to destroy themselves quickly, thus the CG was developed. cf. https://global.honda/heritage/episodes/1975cg125.html

Sorry for the threadjack.

Barnone

09-04-2019, 09:49 AM

Both the Honda CB125 and CG125 are still in production in different countries around the world.

Barnone

09-04-2019, 09:57 AM

Just perfect riding weather here in the mountains of Western North Carolina.
Here is my RE rig flying the Ride For Kids flag to publicize the upcoming ride sponsored by the Deal's Gap Motorcycle Resort Sept 28th.

JerryHawk250

09-04-2019, 10:08 AM

Weather has been perfect here too. I rode Friday through Monday and caught up on some much needed ride time. Clocked in a few hundred miles. :D The rest of this week and into next week looks to be just as nice. If I didn't need to drive my truck to carry work related stuff to work I would be riding it all week.

Barnone

09-05-2019, 03:45 PM

Fun ride here in the mountains of Western North Carolina and Eastern Tennessee. Here she is at the Cheoah Dam. Perfect weather for riding. She is running just great. Knock on wood!

Barnone

09-10-2019, 02:57 PM

My last ride on my Royal Enfield with Cozy sidecar was last Sunday when I took a friend's 97 year old mother on a birthday ride over the Dragon US 129 WNC/ETN. Great fun. My RE is now going to a new home in upstate New York.

JerryHawk250

09-10-2019, 03:52 PM

That is awesome! :tup:

Barnone

09-10-2019, 04:19 PM

Before the ride getting ready to load up at the overlook TN side of the Dragon. The plan was to ride as long as she was ok and we would stop and she could get in her daughter's car if she wanted out but she wanted to stay in the whole way across.

Barnone

09-11-2019, 08:23 AM

Here she is enjoying the ride.

JerryHawk250

09-11-2019, 08:24 AM

Another happy motorcycle rider. She can check this one off her bucket list. ;)

Barnone

09-11-2019, 08:37 AM

Thanks for posting that page. I think I might try to see if Belmontbikes can get me a copy of the manual. I assume you had to order your replacement side panel from them?

Manual at https://df250rts.club/index.php/product/dong-fang-250cc-manual/
Not sure this is what you want.
Looks like they have some neat items for the 165fmm engine. Anybody deal with them?

wedooit

09-12-2019, 04:51 PM

Barnone, thanks for the great pictures, you are a good man!!! Thanks for your posts and info as well!!!

This story is probably not the place to put this, and I don't mean to interrupt your thread...

I miss traveling to Greensboro, Highpoint.....years and years ago, my Dad was a Thomas school bus distributor....Dad and I made many trips there to pick up busses. During one winter there, was an ice storm, we flew in on Eastern Air, To Greensboro, the plane barely made a stop at the end of the landing strip, and of course plane was late because of storms, etc. The Greensboro airport at that time was fairly primitive, and surprised it was a lighted field. The taxi driver wouldn't drive us to Highpoint, and my Dad knew him from all the times we flew there. Dad drove the taxi on black ice (us being from Montana we knew ice and snow)to Highpoint that night. The poor driver sat in the front, and he smoked at least 3 packs. I'll never forget it.

Barnone

09-14-2019, 06:53 AM

I am delivering my Royal Enfield Cozy sidecar rig to the buyer's nephew in Duck Town, TN this morning. Then it is off to a new home in New York. Don't know what is next. Maybe a Vespa scooter?

Chenbot

09-15-2019, 07:14 PM

Barnone

09-15-2019, 07:57 PM

Hey y'all, I recently found this form and it seems to be the only one talking about the df 250rtg and I was looking at it do y'all think it would be a good first bike for a student? Is it reliable to ride every day?

I do not think a DF250RTG or any Chinese bike is a good first bike. Your need to buy a good quality used Japanese motorcycle like a Suzuki TU250X. Find a good dealer in your area and go see what they have. You need a bike that a dealer or an independent shop can work on and get parts for. Most shops will not work on Chinese bikes.

Barnone

09-18-2019, 12:29 PM

Had a flat tire while I was riding the Dragon on my DF. My wife had to come get me in my truck.

When I got home I pulled the rear wheel off and to my surprise I found 4 broken spokes one of which caused the flat tire. I have never had a broken spoke on a motorcycle. Probably have owned 40 bikes with spoke wheels over the last 60 plus years. I did nothing to cause the four spokes to break.

Contacted the seller
https://www.belmontebikes.com/collections/200cc-250cc/products/2018-sportster-250cc-chopper-street-legal-df250rtg?variant=13650188468290
and after going back and forth found out that they cannot supply the spokes and I have to buy a new rear wheel and it would have to be shipped from China and take 4 to 6 weeks to get here. Price with shipping would be about $120. Air freight is around $170 so that is out of the question.

Just received this from them
"Good morning Vincent,
Unfortunately however they're informing me now the rim is in production phase of assembly. He told me he was working on an estimated date when it'd be able to be shipped out, but couldn't confirm this as of now.

I do understand the urgency in getting this issue resolved. I told the manufacturer to keep me updated with every step. Once they've informed me the estimated date for it to be ready to ship, I will let you know immediately.

I do apologize for these delays. If you need anything else in the meantime, please just let me know. "

I pulled out one of the unbroken spokes to measure it and saw scarring on the end that goes in the wheel hub so that spoke might soon break.

Maybe Dong Fang knows there is a problem with the spokes on the rear wheel.

So now I am advising not to buy a DF250RTG until I am satisfied that there is not a danger with breaking rear wheel spokes on the bike.

Will check if there is any recalls at https://www.nsc.org/road-safety/safety-topics/vehicle-recalls

JerryHawk250

09-18-2019, 01:31 PM

Barnone

09-18-2019, 02:30 PM

What's the length and diameter of the spokes? Aliexpress has a decent price on stainless steel spokes and would probably get them quicker.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32847119938.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.31cf2e0eCFN 64f

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32862806319.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.31cf2e0eCFN 64f
Thanks.
I measured the spoke length at 17 cm and ordered some from Tasharina Corp. Should be here next Wednesday or so. Comes in a set of 72.

JerryHawk250

09-18-2019, 02:43 PM

I really need to order some myself. I know I'm pushing the stock ones. Knock on wood I haven't broken one spoke yet. I have over 6900 miles on my Hawk now. I do check them regularly. Usually every other ride. I find a couple of loose ones every now and then.

JerryHawk250

09-18-2019, 02:52 PM

Yes you were lucky. Is the angle wrong?

Barnone

09-18-2019, 04:20 PM

Don't know if the angle is wrong.
I took out one of the unbroken spokes and a crack is starting to form at the bend. It is hard to see in the photos but it is there. Just a matter of time before that spoke will break.

JerryHawk250

09-18-2019, 04:43 PM

Typical Crappy Chinese metal. Put some good spokes on it and call it good.

JerryHawk250

09-18-2019, 05:35 PM

You have a good point there. With the low mileage and type of riding you are doing you shouldn't have spoke failure already.

ripprt1

09-21-2019, 07:43 AM

I'm with him

Indianaman

09-21-2019, 02:58 PM

I got my DF250RTG about a week ago, and I really like the bike. However I am having stalling issues. I just started a thread in the street section with more details, I would be super appreciative if anyone can help me out because I really want to get back on the road ASAP because I have been having such a good time with this little bike! Thanks in advance

culcune

09-21-2019, 11:04 PM

Hey y'all, I recently found this form and it seems to be the only one talking about the df 250rtg and I was looking at it do y'all think it would be a good first bike for a student? Is it reliable to ride every day?

I would argue that Chinese bikes are fine as first bikes, thanks to YouTube and this forum. You will learn how to maintain them, adjust what needs to be adjusted, and repair them. Most members have dual-sports and a comparative dual-sport to the rtg in price is the Taotao TBR7. Member Motocheez has an extensive number of videos on several Chinabikes on YouTube. He had dozens on the Hawk 250, but more recently has newer videos on the TBR7, the Brozz 250, and more recently, the Hawk DLX 250 (fuel-injected--no carb to mess with). The Lifan X-Pect 200 is also arguably a best buy among Chinabikes if you have a dealer nearby as they are trying to emulate a name brand bike with their own network of dealers. Not to mention they have arguably the best quality bikes among the motorcycles from China. And the X-Pect is also fuel-injected giving you one less thing to have to adjust.

The thing about them is that you will get to learn about motorcycles mechanically, and realize that they are far easier to work on than you might have thought.

That being said--a used Japanese bike will be theoretically higher quality AND less worry if you really don't want to get your hands dirty, but they are unknown, and you can get someone's problems if you don't know what to look for.

NzBrakelathes

09-22-2019, 10:18 AM

Here’s a Chinese lads opinion

Barnone

09-23-2019, 08:42 AM

Indianaman

09-23-2019, 12:33 PM

It turns out that my issue was with the idle mixture screw adjustment. The carb was running rich. Per JerryHawk's suggestion, I drilled out the screw cap on the bottom of the carb and adjusted it to 1 and 1/2 turns out. Runs great now!

Barnone

09-24-2019, 10:11 PM

Got the spokes today and replaced the five broken one. I going to take it to a local shop and have him true the wheel. Never had to fool with that in over 60 years of motorcycle ownership so don't wanna learn it now. If the wheel stays together I will keep the bike. Kinda leary of shipping a bike to Canada that is not legal in Canada. I can see the bike being in limbo at the US/Canada border.

I actually want to keep the bike as it is a good bike to ride.

Not impressed with Belmonte's ability to supply parts. They seem to have order all the parts from China. I found the spokes on Walmart of all places. They had them listed so I ordered them through Walmart.

Barnone

09-24-2019, 10:15 PM

I ordered a CT70 clone from that guy in New Orleans. I sold my RE rig so with the DF down I was bike less. I left my TU250X in Fl so I would have a bike to ride there if I had to go to FL which I did.
I gotta ride about every day.

Barnone

09-29-2019, 11:48 PM

She is on the road again. Seller said they will give me a $50 credit on my account.
Nice ride on the Dragon. Changed her from a 1929 BMW to a 1929 Indian. lol

Indianaman

10-03-2019, 03:15 PM

Indianaman

10-03-2019, 03:21 PM

18696

Indianaman

10-03-2019, 09:02 PM

It does use the speedo cable which just screws on. The existing speedo sits on a bracket. the one I bought has a smaller diameter so I just drilled holes in between the stock ones. One of the reviewers on amazon figured out how to program the speedo to change it to mph and adjust the speed readout. I followed his instructions to the letter and worked perfectly for me. Mine has been rained on a few times with no issue so the quality is adequate

Indianaman

10-03-2019, 10:02 PM

I’m very happy with mine.

Figuring out how to wire the tach up took me an embarrassingly long time, so I will save you the trouble. Run the tach wire to the CDI under the gas tank. If memory serves, I believe it was to the blue wire in the plug. I just stripped the wire and plugged the OE connector over it. I set the speedo hz to the same specs as “Justin n.”’s review and is nearly dead nuts. I tested it on one of those street side speed trailer things they leave around rich neighborhoods to scare people into slowing frown.

Indianaman

10-03-2019, 10:51 PM

My college lit professor would be rolling in her chair for my incipient lack of a block quote here and of a formal reference,but here goes:

“with the key in the "OFF" position, press and hold the button on the back and turn the key to "ON." The gauge will display "P 0 0 0 0." Using a short press to change number and long press to change position, you want to change that reading to " P 6 6 1 0" - This enters the menu to change the settings.

1st menu: screen reads 00466 - This is the frequency used to calibrate the speedo and represents 46.6hz = 60KPH. I had to change mine to read 00505 (50.5 hz). You may have to play with this setting depending on the bike and wheel size. short press to move to the next menu.

2nd menu: screen reads 1001. This is the setting for KPH. using the long/short press method above, set this to 1002 for MPH.

turn key back off, then on again and the gauge is now set to MPH. Like I said, I had to play with the frequency to get the speed to read correctly.

Initially, the speed in MPH was reading about 10% fast (Indicated 50mph - actual speed 45mph). To fix this, i increased the frequency to 50.0, that got ti very close. Some fine tuning to 50.5 got it dead on.”

Seems complicated, but there is only one button on the back of the gauge which caters to my room temperature IQ. If I can figure it out, you shouldn't run into any trouble.

JerryHawk250

10-04-2019, 08:14 AM

I replaced mine with this one.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QB61XQW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Had to drill 2 mounting holes and connect 3 wires. Maybe a 10 minute swap and looks clean. Plus the colors change and you get a tach.

I had looked at the speedo when I first got my hawk but wasn't sure if it would of connected to my cable. At the time there weren't any reviews on it or any information on calibrating.

Barnone

10-06-2019, 09:05 PM

Had a nice ride up to and over the Dragon today on my DF. Little rain and no traffic. Saw two Zero electric bikes on the road for the first time today. They are quite and quick.

Barnone

10-08-2019, 09:46 AM

Indianaman,
Got the speedometer from Amazon. No instructions were included. Might wait for the one from China before I install either one. No rush either way.

Barnone

10-08-2019, 09:49 AM

I now think that the broken spokes were caused by the spokes not being seated all the way in the hub so I feel better about the bike. She is a joy to ride here in the mountains.

Barnone

10-08-2019, 09:55 AM

Indianaman,
Got the calipers in the mail so am ready to measure. I tried taking the cover off the front sprocket last night but gave up as there must be another bolt that I need to remove. I removed four bolts but could not find another.
Will take another look today. Three in the photo and another down by the shifter. Where is the other? Pain in the butt not having a center stand.

JerryHawk250

10-08-2019, 10:13 AM

Some CB250 have three bolts on the sprocket cover. One on top by the starter and two on the bottom. One on each side of the shift shaft. On these Chinese engine is probably only has the one bolt on bottom. GC only has two. One on top and one on bottom. May just be glued on with the paint. Take a rubber mallet and break the seal.

Barnone

10-08-2019, 01:04 PM

Two bolts to remove the cover like Jerry said.
My DF already has a 17 tooth front sprocket. It is stamped 428-17T YOXI.
I will go measure the diameter of the center hole.

JerryHawk250

10-08-2019, 01:08 PM

And just like the Hawk a 17 tooth is a tight fit.

Barnone

10-08-2019, 01:32 PM

I measure the diameter of the shaft and it appears to be 20mm. Hard to measure without taking the sprocket off. Just to check my measuring I measured the uninstalled 17 tooth sprocket for my new CT70 clone and the hole is 17mm.

Maybe this 17T will fit the DF.

https://www.amazon.com/Wingsmoto-Sprocket-428-17T-Motorcycle-Dirtbike/dp/B010UQKODQ

16T but 17 should fit.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010UQKM92/ref=psdc_404786011_t2_B010UQKODQ

JerryHawk250

10-08-2019, 01:47 PM

The JT sprocket would be a JTF1264.17 https://www.amazon.com/JT-Sprockets-JTF1264-17-Steel-Sprocket/dp/B0068OCQVI/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=jtf+sprocket&qid=1570556739&s=automotive&sr=1-6

Indianaman

10-08-2019, 01:56 PM

That is eerily similar looking to the sprocket on mine.. It is possible that my teeth counting procedure lacks something to be desired. I'd place the blame on the tooth fairy skipping over my childhood zip code. So I guess the next fun exercise will be finding a rear sprocket in the future.

Indianaman

10-08-2019, 02:28 PM

I FINALLY got my new seat from amazon that came all the way from China. I ordered it before my bike arrived about a month ago. I am extremely happy with the way it looks and took all of 2 minutes to install. It’s much firmer than stock but getting rid of the hump is nice so I can sit further back. I’m only 5’8 but I always felt a little cramped on the stock seat. Plus look how f&@*n good it looks!

Indianaman

10-08-2019, 02:34 PM

I also painted my front fender and side covers with rustoleum bedliner, happy with the way those turned out as well. I origionally wanted to do just a satin black, but decided I wanted some texture as well.

If anyone is interested, it seems that all the 21" "Café Racer" seats on amazon are drop in replacements.

Barnone

10-08-2019, 02:49 PM

On my long gone DF250RTB in order to change the gearing a smaller rear sprocket was required. My mini tach reads about 5k RPM at 50 MPH. 6K RPM at 60 MPH.

Like that seat. Which one on Amazon?

JerryHawk250

10-08-2019, 03:00 PM

I agree. The seat looks great. :tup:

Indianaman

10-08-2019, 03:23 PM

My bike has been waking up quite a bit, I'm almost a 200 miles and its loosening up after every ride, so gearing is less of a concern than it was 100 miles ago.

Have you played with the carb at all? I know I'm running a hair rich.

I was also thinking of removing the air injection. Is it okay to remove it with while keeping the stock muffler/cat, or should I wait until I get a new slip on?

Indianaman

10-09-2019, 12:59 PM

I mocked up some potential mods on photoshop today, below is the before and after.

I am considering doing a vertical license plate mount on the axel and chopping the fender flush with the frame, removing the passenger grab handle, and upgrading to RFY air adjustable shocks.

I like the vintage look the bike has now, but I’m torn on moving to more of a “brat” style bike.

Thoughts?

Barnone

10-09-2019, 01:23 PM

Haven't touched the carb on my DF. I would think that it would be running EPA lean. Bike seemed to run fine to me as is.

I made a plate to cover the hole on the head when I removed the air injection. A little plastic cap covers the tube in the intake. No other changes are required as the air is pumped down stream of the exhaust valve. I have removed the AIS on several bikes with no issues. Might make the engine runs a little cooler but no performance gains that I could tell.

I like the muffler on the bike as it has a nice sound.