Okay who going to try it?

[katoranger]

http://www.ecotrons.com/Small_Engine_EFI_PNP_kit.html

[dmmcd]

I'm tempted... I was expecting the price to be in the $1k range.

I don't know that it would actually do much for you, but it would give easier tuning options if you are playing with intake and exhaust modifications. Pretty cool little kit!

[2LZ]

Holy cow! 8O That looks like the real deal! Closed loop and everything!
Boy,....tempted.

[katoranger]

It really is not bad at $300.

So it on another forum. Thought Andrew might need another gadget on his Q. :lol:

[Weldangrind]

I think it's perfect for your tractor, Kato. :lol:

[JTCAndrew]

and I think 2LZ Should get one for his "Q" and let us all know how it works out! LMAO - JK

This is really nicely priced......Hmmmmm Gadget Boy passes on this one - for now anyway...... :wink:

[FastDoc]

Very interseting! Great price. Looks like a semi-involved instalation but not too bad.

If I was keeping the PP400 that wowuld be an AWESOME upgrade! It could improve everything from mileage and range to starting and throttle response. I like it. Also, with CL FI a guy could do whatever he wanted with exhaust. No carb tuning. I really like it.

[davidsonsgccc]

that is cool. probably make a pretty good accelleration gain.

[Barnone]

.....Hmmmmm Gadget Boy passes on this one - for now anyway...... :wink:
Say it ain't so........

[FastDoc]

It would be great for a guy out West who rides over lage changes in altitude, and/or wants to use different exhausts. Say a stock one for commuting and a louder one for off road.

It would be a natural on a KLR adventure bike! :P

[katoranger]

I'll stick to the $40 carb and $5 jets.

[Jim]

I'll stick to the $40 carb and $5 jets.

Me too ;)

[mizke]

that kit is pretty sweet, the only part that id like some more information on is the throttle body/intake manifold. id like to see how its built and how it operates before i drop down the cash on something like that..

so i will be sticking with the carb and cheap jets... for now :twisted:

[Zugzug]

Actually thats pretty nice. Couple that with a turbo and you could have one heck of a Q.

[FastDoc]

Actually thats pretty nice. Couple that with a turbo and you could have one heck of a Q. :lol:

[SpudRider]

If a good fuel injection kit only costs $299, why do the bike manufacturers charge so much for fuel injection? It makes one wonder. ;)

Spud :)

[BillR]

If a good fuel injection kit only costs $299, why do the bike manufacturers charge so much for fuel injection? It makes one wonder. ;)
Spud :)
I think you hit that right on the head... :wink:
Plus all the emission certifications for a production vehicle. Quite a chunk of change to get that done, to my understanding.
I've looked at another EFI version that plainly states it is not certified for on-road use, racing only.
Still, the geek wants one real bad... 8)
Bill R

[FastDoc]

I understand, Bill. It really speaks toi me too!

Good point, Spud. And if retail is $300 cost to manufacturer will be closer to $150 I bet.

[katoranger]

Sounds like someone may be trying it over at scootdawg. I will see if I can find the thread.

[katoranger]

Here we go.
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=discussion&action=display&thread=37715

[SpudRider]

Here we go.
http://scootdawg.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=discussion&action=display&thread=37715
You are always finding, and sharing very interesting information with us; thank you for posting the link to the scooter EFI project! :D

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I really like this idea. It will be interesting to follow.

[SpudRider]

I understand, Bill. It really speaks toi me too!

Good point, Spud. And if retail is $300 cost to manufacturer will be closer to $150 I bet.
Do we know who manufactures this EFI unit? Xingyue manufactures engines in China for Rotax. Xingyue also manufactures the Pitster Pro LXT 400, and Xingyue chose to place a Rotax top end on the LXT 400 engine. This Rotax top end was originally equipped with fuel injection, Brother Bill. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

I thought about that.

Better mixture control would improve power, mileage, range, smoothness, and starting in very cold weather, all small issues with this bike. Whereas it works good now, I bet with FI it would work great.

This would be a great mod for the next owner. :P

[SpudRider]

I thought about that.

Better mixture control would improve power, mileage, range, smoothness, and starting in very cold weather, all small issues with this bike. Whereas it works good now, I bet with FI it would work great.

This would be a great mod for the next owner. :P
I agree. I think it's possible Xingyue manufactures this EFI unit for Rotax, and is now selling it, or a copy of it, on the open market. ;)

Spud :)

[FastDoc]

After this bike goes a few thousand miles and proves itself I think it would be a great mod, again for the next owner. I have 1,200 miles on the XY/PP and I really like it, but today I rode the KLX. It's been sitting depressed in the garage while the XY/PP got all the riding. The KLX is a magnificent piece of engineering. A real pleasure to look at, ride, and to own.

[Weldangrind]

It sounds like you're trying really hard to talk yourself out of fuel injection, Doc. :lol:

At the end of the day, you can't necessarily extract more power from a fuel injection system (I know that's not the only point). The stoichiometrically ideal 14.7:1 ratio is not ideal for maximum power; that closer to 12:1 in most cases. As Doc says, it would provide easier starting and faster warm-up, but I doubt that O2 sensor is wideband, and I doubt the sotware maps out a progressively richer mixture.

Still, it would be really cool if someone tried it and proved me wrong. :D

[FastDoc]

I bet on it's worst day the FI provides a more accurate mixture than a China-carb! 8)

[katoranger]

I would be interested to see what kind of mpg improvement it provides. The new honda elite 110 comes with FI. Suppose to break the 100mpg mark.