Qlink XF200 Battery Failure

[Barnone]

Hey,
You guys jinxed the battery in my XF200 with all your battery troubles.

I went to ride her because it was her turn in the rotation and she lite up the headlight for a second or two and then nothing. Would not crank a bit with the e start but no problem right? Wrong, I started her with the kick starter but she would just idle with a bad battery. Would not rev so could not be ridden.

Anyway, I pulled the battery out and went to Batteries Plus to get a replacement but no dice.
Out of twenty or so batteries none were the right size. Well I'll try WalMart before I hit the internet and got lucky with one that fit without the rubber boot. It was a tight fit but good to go.

[2LZ]

So far mine's been good!....but one never knows. I don't trust ANY stock batteries in ANY bikes I've ever owned.
Better go shopping at Walmart myself....just in case.
If you locate one there Barnone, please post the part#! :D

[FastDoc]

The batteries are all old, and Chinese. :wink:

I ordered one for a DR200SE and it was perfect.

[SpudRider]

I'm sorry to hear of your battery trouble, Vince. :? Although they are more expensive, the Shorai batteries are also an excellent choice; however, I think they might still be backordered. :roll:

Spud :)

[Weldangrind]

I'm amazed that the batteries in our atv's (2007 and 2008) still work. The 200 really relies on a good battery, since there's no kick start.

[SpudRider]

My Zong came equipped with a new, Yuasa battery. I installed the battery acid as I assembled the bike, and the motorcycle started right up after I put some gasoline in the fuel tank. :) The Yuasa battery did an excellent job for several years before I needed to replace it with a Motocross/Yuasa YTZ7S battery.

Spud :)

[Barnone]

So far mine's been good!....but one never knows. I don't trust ANY stock batteries in ANY bikes I've ever owned.
Better go shopping at Walmart myself....just in case.
If you locate one there Barnone, please post the part#! :D

My battery was good until Monday and then immediate failure.

The battery that I bought at Walmart and installed in my Qlink XF200 is a Everstart ES9BS sealed battery for $45.00 plus tax.

It is a tight fit.

It is made in China.

The battery in my 2005 Yamaha XT225 that I have had since almost new is still original. The bike has been sitting in NC for the winter for the last two years with no charger on it and she fires right up. Don't know what brand since I have never had it out of the bike.

Surprised that no one mentioned my experience with the kick starter. Started with the dead battery but she did not not rev up so the Q was not ridable!

[dmmcd]

Surprised that no one mentioned my experience with the kick starter. Started with the dead battery but she did not not rev up so the Q was not ridable!

I was wondering about this. I would think since it has a kicker, that it should be able to run without a battery. If not, what's the point of the kick start?

Once it is running, the alternator or magneto or whatever it has should provide enough juice to keep it running, otherwise you would always be draining the battery. Any thoughts on why it wouldn't run? Does the battery act as a voltage sink and regulator?

[Weldangrind]

You need a healthy battery to run a modern street bike, because the magneto can't provide enough power for spark and the always-on headlight. On my atv, I can run with a virtually dead battery, because I can switch the headlight off.

Many years ago, I had an XS650 Special, and I couldn't even kickstart it if the battery was dead. It needed close to nominal voltage in order to start. I regard the kickstart to be a backup in case the solenoid or starter fails, not in case the battery dies.

[FastDoc]

You need a healthy battery to run a modern street bike, because the magneto can't provide enough power for spark and the always-on headlight. On my atv, I can run with a virtually dead battery, because I can switch the headlight off.

Many years ago, I had an XS650 Special, and I couldn't even kickstart it if the battery was dead. It needed close to nominal voltage in order to start. I regard the kickstart to be a backup in case the solenoid or starter fails, not in case the battery dies.

Yup. +1

[FastDoc]

Don't know what brand since I have never had it out of the bike.

Betcha it's a Yuasa.

Made in USA. 8)

[Wild_Alaskan]

dont see why it wouldn't rev, if it will start with the kick it should run. usually its fuel injection that has that type of issue. on my lifan and xr motors the battery and ignition circuits do not rely on each other.

[Barnone]

I don't know why it would not rev either. Idled just fine but give it the gas and it would bog and die. Puzzling.

[SpudRider]

I don't know why it would not rev either. Idled just fine but give it the gas and it would bog and die. Puzzling.
My failed CDI unit did the same thing. While riding, the bike would die on me, so I would coast to the side of the road. :roll: Then, after a short rest, the bike would start, but when I applied throttle to start riding, the engine would shut down. :x

Spud :)

[dmmcd]

You need a healthy battery to run a modern street bike, because the magneto can't provide enough power for spark and the always-on headlight. On my atv, I can run with a virtually dead battery, because I can switch the headlight off.

This makes no sense. Following this logic, the battery would die every few hours of riding, if the charging system is unable to keep up with the load. The magneto HAS to be putting out enough power to run all systems, plus a little extra to charge the battery after starting. I know a lot of people that convert their track bikes to run battery-less, they pull of the starter to save weight. I also know of other people who pull the magneto and run a total loss system with a small battery...

[Barnone]

Maybe my battery had an internal short but the guy who load tested it said it had 9 volts with the load on it. I tested it with a volt meter and it had 12.4 volts.

Like I said earlier I could kick start the Q and it would idle but bog and die if I twisted the throttle even after warm up.

[Weldangrind]

You need a healthy battery to run a modern street bike, because the magneto can't provide enough power for spark and the always-on headlight. On my atv, I can run with a virtually dead battery, because I can switch the headlight off.

This makes no sense. Following this logic, the battery would die every few hours of riding, if the charging system is unable to keep up with the load. The magneto HAS to be putting out enough power to run all systems, plus a little extra to charge the battery after starting. I know a lot of people that convert their track bikes to run battery-less, they pull of the starter to save weight. I also know of other people who pull the magneto and run a total loss system with a small battery...

You're absolutely right, depending upon how the stator is wound. With China street bikes, think of the battery as a capacitor that works in concert with the stator. I have a few dirt bikes that don't use a battery at all, so I can see where my logic makes no sense. All I can tell you is that if the battery on my old XS650S was flat, I could kick it all day with no joy.

[Wild_Alaskan]

barnone do you have a wiring diagram for your bike you could post on here?

[trevort]

I haven't had the chance to or needed to study the wiring doagram on my Q yet, but I have a Yamaha Rd400 and if the rear brake light burnt out the bike would not run until you replaced it. So who knows if there is an open circuit like a guage light or turn signal being out causing the problem

[david3921]

I can attest to what barnone is saying. I had to replace my battery also on my XF200. It's two years old. Of course, I don't know how long the battery sat in the bike before I bought it. Anyway, I put it back in this year to start and no go. It did the same as bar's when I kick started it. It would idle but bog when throttling. I didn't try it with the battery out, however. I wonder if that would make a difference. There is a wiring diagram in both the english version manual from Andrew and the portuguese one.

[Weldangrind]

I'd be worried that running with no battery at all would take out the CDI.

[FastDoc]

I'd be worried that running with no battery at all would take out the CDI.

It can indeed cause problems and I don't recommend it either.

[Weldangrind]

Stumbled upon some more info. According to DrAtv, engines with a DC CDI must have a battery to generate spark, whereas the AC version can run without a battery. http://www.dratv.com/distty.html

[BrianW]

I put many, many hours on my Hondoid with no battery at all connected in. Never gave me any trouble besides a sore instep.

Eventually got tired of kicking and bought a new battery.

[humanbeing]

Bring a spare "cap" will solves those ??? .
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