Templar X 250
 

Anyone on here heard of this bike? Powersports Max has them listed for around 1750, and at a quick glance, they are a pretty decent looking ride. To me, they are new to the crowd, but, for all I know they have been floating around a bit. Curious to know what you guys may know. The Suzuki style shrouds on the tank scream second generation RMZ 250, which always a plus with me :tup:

Seriously though, the little bike looks pretty dapper for being fairly priced…….

I have not heard of them, but it comes with a Zong 19hp engine. Could be a great bike.
https://www.powersportsmax.com/produ...ducts_id/23812

Looks promising. Has all the pieces for street legality. Just need to see if your state recognizes it for the street.

Oh I’m not going to take the leap of faith on it…. I’d just never seen it before, and it does have some promising bits about it. It really has a “Nicot” look too it, which is who builds the new Orion 250. The hot start lever, or at least it appears to be, on the clutch side has me scratching my head. Or possibly it’s the choke?

I like the suspension and engine upgrades, but they list it as "off-road only." I'm guessing that means the MCO says "dirt bike" and it doesn't have an FMVSS label. Usually, these "off road" bikes don't have EPA certification, but the listing for that bike says it is EPA approved.


So, I'm confused. I'd be interested if it was clearer that I could register it.

Nice catch ExMxer

Maybe they haven't paid the fees and gone through the process of getting it approved for road use. There must be an administrative process to get EPA approval, if nothing else. I do not see a cat bulb (maybe one in the exhaust, but I doubt it).

I would have snagged one for my son if available when we made the mistake of getting the TBR7

But the list of highend components is defintitely impressive.
-that engine:clap:
-engine guard plate!
-decent footpegs
-roller throttle ass'y
-short shifter with a real folding tip and a tucked in brake lever!!?!
-21"/18" wheels with knobbies
-adjustable USD forks!?!?
-adjustable KKE rear shock
-and is that a compression release lever for easy starting on the left hand grip?!?!!
-a kill switch (not high end, but good to have)
-even the seat looks more substantial than most enduros!

I’ve done some digging on this thing (day off today), and I can’t find crap. I cannot find an oem, but man this thing screams Nicot to me. It is impressive, but I’d be rather scared to buy one from those guys. Pretty rough dealings several folks have had. But that bike next to the Orion, sure looks like a close cousin………

It does seem too good to be true. With all of these features, and the Zhongshen 250 on top of that, and less than $2000. Game changer? I would like to see and touch one of these in person before believing it. It is possible that the bike does exist. The real question is What is the quality of these components? The tech specs are there, but what are they really like? Where do those dual piston calipers come from, or any of these parts? China is developing it's own "Name brands" and some are getting very good. Is it possible that they are becoming the victim of their own legacy of cloned brands getting cloned?

I would buy one, just to test the theory. I can afford it, but can't get away with it at the moment -too many toys in the garage as it is;)
And besides, my real goal is to acquire a GPX TSE250 so I am saving up my mojo for that:lmao:

By the way, I created a set of postable jpg from the photos on the web page to post on the forum in this thread, but then noticed a scary little warning that the pics are the property of powersportsmax, and any use will be fully prosecuted (or something like that).

Newbie here. I've been researching this bike for a couple of days. For whatever reason yesterday they dropped the price by $50 so I placed my order today. From what I can see this is a Zongshen 250 FMM motor. Seems extremely popular in Russia. If you can stand to use Google translate on some YouTube videos there's quite a bit of information on the engine. Appears to also be the same engine in the Orion rbx250l only with a five-speed transmission and not counter balanced. EGL A16 Pro has lots of similarities to frame and suspension...

The Powersportsmax X-Pro Titan 250 and Titan 250 DLX are near-identical twins of the older Orion RXB250 as far as looks are. However, Orion changed updated their look and the Titan has soldiered on as its own bargain niche dirt bike and dual-sport (it doesn't have the upgrades that the older and current RXB has, like suspension, 6-speed trans, etc).

But, Powersportsmax has a lot of connections to factories in China, so my guess the Titan was made either in the same factory or used the same parts that were pieced together and badged as an 'X-Pro'. Their power in the industry is evidenced by them renaming many different bikes with the 'X-Pro' brand, such as the Hawk, and the Vader.

I think this new bike is an updated version of the Titan and may or may not be from the same OEM as the Orion, but at least uses many of the same parts.

The Chinese motorcycle industry is made up of many 'manufacturers' who oftentimes will buy their parts from a few sources and piece together bikes. The scooter side of it is a good example of this. In other words, the 'manufacture' puts the bikes together from parts it obtained from suppliers (the same suppliers other manufacturers use), has them EPA certified and thus legitimizes the 'manufacturer' as its own identity, even though it might have pieced together scooters from the same suppliers, and many scooters look the same.

I am sure the Templar is a quality bike, along the same lines as owners of the Titan dirt bikes and dual-sports have attested to, so should be worth a look as long as one is able to plate them in their particular state.

Nice! Post up pics as soon as you get your hands on it, for you will be doing us all a great service :clap::clap::clap::clap. Secondly, kudos to you for stepping up to the plate on a new (and I seriously mean that term) purchase we can ooh and ahh over. You may very well be responsible for starting a trend :thanks:

Buy it!! Test the waters for us! Hell if you get one and hate it, my dumbass might buy it off of you. I’ll let you roll the dice first……. My son really wants a new scoot, and he’s a broke college student / National Guard soldier. I could send him your way :). Besides, we are only 3 short hours apart…..

I'm glad you posted the question about this bike. Will be fun to see exactly what I've really bought. Its curiosity only that I purchased the bike. How is it possible to have a spec sheet as lengthy for under 2k... Will post plenty of pics and information...

Good man! Takin' one for the team..... :thanks:

Powersportmax's Titan DLX looked like the old Orion RXB before they updated it in styling and engine. However, the Titan did not have adjustable suspension and a few other goodies the Orion had, but it was (still is) a bargain for its price, and the members who purchased it and posted about it seemed to like it. This bike seems to be a step up from the Titan, and I am sure it will be a quality bargain dirt bike that will serve you well (of course, taking the 'Chinese' into account as one has to do with most any sub-$2k Chinese bike).

I am guessing that with Powersportmax's connections, this bike is made by the same OEM as the Orion bikes (hence it looks like the RXB) but Powersportsmax did not spec it out with all the same bits as the Orion.

I’m willing to bet you nailed it. Just make sure the bet is small…….

I'm also thinking for myself to take another for the team, I seen it and couldn't help become so hooked by that Zong true 250 and its supermoto potential style at that price, just what's the deal with the MCO? If it comes saying "dirt bike", does that stop it from being registered in any state (I'm in Louisiana btw) regardless of it being EPA approved?

I have that same question in Tennessee. That's a concern for me.as well..

Seems like several companies are coming out with this configuration in Europe and US. I did notice in the bikes last photos of the box you can read X7-CB250F as a model #.. I need to see the casting #s on this engine...
I did get a email from powersportsmax stating my status has been updated to "order verified". Guess I will find out all these answers soon enough.

'Dirt Bike' on the MCO won't stop if from being registered in ANY state, BUT there are several states that the answer would be no. However, many dealers have been sending out MCOs that state 'Motorcycle' which seems to be a good loophole for other states, at least for now. The answer would lie in what the MCO states on it.

With me living in Arizona, I take if for granted that it would be registered here based on its street equipment as they do not look at what is on the MCO. That was the loophole with the RPS Hawk and Magician which are also EPA certified as 'Off-road Dirtbike' (that is what it states on Powersportsmax's website for the Templar and the Titan as far as what the bikes are certified as) but it seems like many states had started cracking down on the Hawk. I guess we shall see what is printed on the MCO.

Yep, that’s what I’m waiting to see, along with who produced this thing. I got 5 bucks on Nicot. Any takers???

You guys got me thinking about getting one.....

Thinking more seriously about this, but the website for this particular bike doesn't specify anything about shipping.
What did Powersportsmax charge you for shipping?
Did you pay 1700 or 1632 (plus shipping)?

On the XPro site, this sucker is listed at 2059. If you have an interest in this ride, I'd jump soon. Gut feeling says it's gonna go up quick......

It is in the fine print--it is $299 for shipping so about $2K exactly shipped to your home.

Some updates. For the MSO this is the response I received.

"The certificate of origin defines it as dirt bike but it has same specs as on road vehcles.
We provide paperwork for you to get registration but we dont guarantee it can be registered as road legal. You need to check with your local DMV."

Found out that the Bike is Manufactured by Zuumav Wuyi. "Zuumav CB250" being sent to several companies such as Powersportsmax...

Seems like there is alot of praise for this engine "zs172fmm-3a" in UK, Russiac Etc. Positive being torque, power and reliability. Negative being Vibration and maxed out displacement for upgrading HP. Some did mention timing chain stretch on 7 to 10k bikes but not on the Zongshen engine another manufacturer...

Looks like I owe someone on here 5 bucks :lmao:

This Templar 250 looks like fun. It has a nice long list of better components. But I am going to stick with my Storm for now, and help my son learn to ride and grow into his new TBR7. Depending on how things go (financially), I am still focusing on the GPX TSE 250R. More than twice as much money, but I still want a two stroke enduro.

My first bike was more like my Storm as a heavy 15hp entry level dirtbike (practically "state of the art" at the time-a Suzuki TS250 2 stroke). I do miss that engine. This modern GPX makes nearly 40hp, has MUCH stiffer and lighter frame, better and adjustable suspension, way better handlebar controls, way better foot controls/pegs, electric start, and GPX is developing a good reputation.

I will bypass the injection system and mix, for rock solid dependable engine lubrication.

Looks like we have another source:


https://www.amazon.com/X-PRO-Templar...s%2C105&sr=8-3

Your MCO will need to state Motorcycle. You should be able to request that from the dealer. You can register a dirtbike as street legal in Louisiana but will be a big pain in the rear jumping through all the hoops. Best place to go for registration and tags is one of the Notary/Tag shops. They will go out there way to make sure it gets done. There in business to make money. I've register three Chinese bikes at my local Notary/Tag shops and couldn't of taken more than 15-20 minutes. Avoid the DMV. They will be clueless on what to do and will put no effort in looking anything up.
BTW, what part of Louisiana are you from?

That’s great! Someone will have your back during the entire process….. Amazon makes sure their customers are taken care of. At least, it’s always been that way for me

Hopefully, that will be the case. X-Pro is PowerSportsMax's twin brother, but selling exclusively on Amazon. Same company, according to this thread here.

X-Pro and Powersportsmax are generally one and the same dealer, and 'X-Pro' is a brand of Powersportsmax. They don't promote that because they seem to have slightly different prices from their online store vs. their Amazon store. Powersportsmax (and the Amazon store by default) are generally a powerhouse dealing in Chinese bikes. The owner of Powersportsmax lives in China (I got this information several months ago) and generally has some kind of special relationship over most all the brands. They relabel many bikes as 'X-Pro', such as the 'X-Pro Hawk' but then started getting into their own branding of unique bikes like the Titan and now the Templar. They do get the financing to purchase the last several bikes of a manufacturer so as to gain a kind of command of the sales market (Safer Wholesale out of Illinois does this as well). They were able to obtain quite a few of the last bikes right before the COVID pandemic hit, and still had bikes in stock when others were clear out of them. One thing I do appreciate is the fact that they will take bikes off their listing when they no longer have them in stock, so one does not have to read all the fine print to see that a bike is on 'pre-order' rather than in stock. Remember those months-long waits during the pandemic from some dealers? They got people's money up front, and seemingly dragged them along for months and months. Now, it wasn't all their fault as the manufacturers probably tell them, "1 more month!" and it ended up taking 6, but when bikes did become available at a higher wholesale price, they there were members reporting that dealers were trying get more out of them. Again, not entirely their fault, but at least Powersportsmax only lists what they have in stock or can source and ship rather than string a customer along. Now, there are members, and I am sure Yelp reviews, showing negative experiences for other reasons, so they aren't entirely without 'sin' but at least they only show what they can sell.

Received the bike today. Box was beat to heck & shipping frame mangled.. But only a few scratches nothing major..

As for the Bike. Wow! I'm impressed. Quality is a lot better than I was expecting. Everything is greased, tight and straight. I'm going over everything.. Zuumav build quality has my approval. So impressed I'm questioning should I order a 2nd. Can't see the price going down. I should test it for a week at least...

Wow, that sounds awesome man, I'm glad it turned out pretty solid. I'm looking for a bike to buy within the coming week, and when I seen this one, I had to run here to grab some info. I think I'm going to go ahead and snag one off of Amazon this coming Monday, and I'll be updating everything on here.

I see that the price went up $100, and so did the delivery. Other amazon delivery prices are $299. Still it looks like an attractive deal when you read the specs, esp. with 21"/18" tires and adjustable hydraulics on the suspension. Tires are very dirt-oriented!

Amazon is generally more expensive now. Didn't used to be!
The original source is still showing stock. It is also possible that Amazon is sponsoring the original source, and hence the higher price.

The plastics on that bike are straight off an 07 thru 09 Suzuki RMZ 250, with the exception of the tank. So, they are easily had through any major plastic company, with multiple color options if you ever wanted a color change. Graphics would be simple to find, and have custom made to whatever your heart desires. Not sure about the headlight cover, but everything else should easily swap. Just some options for down the road.........

Obviously these are made in China. Wuyi is Chinese, Zuumav sounds Russian. There are Zuumav CB250 vids on YT, all in Russian. I'm guessing they are Zuumav-spec'd bikes being sent to the US straight from China. Unless Powersportsmax is now importing from Russia too, but I doubt it.

I'm curious who makes the suspension on these...... My son and I are seriously debating getting a pair of these things. As in, both are scrambling the web trying to find any and all info we can. Or, to the point if we have trouble tagging them, to heck with it. We could just trailer them to the trails on a weekend getaway Father and Son style. This could be a nice college graduation present to him..... And to myself, his tuition wasn't cheap!!!!

Btw, what is the little lever above the clutch? Hot start? Choke?