Oil Screen/Filter for 196FML engine.

[bfe71730]

Look on the bottom left side, there is a cap with a hex-nut head, should be 24mm. This is your drain plug and there is a spring w/the filter inside, the filter looks like a thimble. I take my skid plate off just so the oil will drain freely and won't be dripping everywhere. after all the oil is drained, you might want to hold it over a bit on it's sidestand just to be sure all the old oil is out.

[mdionis]

Thanks for the quick reply and answer. I was getting a bit worried on how I was going to drain the oil. Short of turning the machine upside down.

Thanks Again,

Mike

Originally Posted by bfe71730

Look on the bottom left side, there is a cap with a hex-nut head, should be 24mm. This is your drain plug and there is a spring w/the filter inside, the filter looks like a thimble. I take my skid plate off just so the oil will drain freely and won't be dripping everywhere. after all the oil is drained, you might want to hold it over a bit on it's sidestand just to be sure all the old oil is out.

[ImEazy]

Originally Posted by mdionis

This may be a stupid question, but like in the previous post I don't have an oil drain screw. How can I successfully drain the oil, what would I need to remove. Where can I get a oil drain screw to put in where it should be?

Thanks,

Mike

You can get one at your local auto parts store. I seen them at Advance
auto parts for about $3 or $4. They were magnetic as well. The drain
plug that came in mine is magnetic also. It had a bunch of small particles
of metal on it as did both of my kids 125's as well. I changed the oil
before ever running them.

[fratermus]

Originally Posted by ohbowhntr

Mine only has the screen in there, no filter, but I have the OHC engine also. I am thinking about experimenting with this next oil change and slipping a liite magnet in the screen to see if it pick up any more shavings.

Anyhow know if any of the Honda 200 magnetic drainplugs fit the Chinese 200s?

[RookieBiker]

Originally Posted by ImEazy

I have the 169FML engine as well. It has a drain plug on the bottom
of the engine. Here's a couple pics. You can see how the hole in the
skidplate doesn't line up for draining.

http://www.eazys.net/GY200/drain.jpg

http://www.eazys.net/GY200/drain2.jpg

On My 150 Maxfine the manual indicates the larger side bolt shown in your photo, that contains the screen, is the drain. I have been changing my oil through there. Is that not right? Seems like all the oil comes out just fine as the bike leans that way and it actually becomes about the lowest point.

[Beerslayer]

If your MaxFine has a drain plug you might be better off to use it. There is probably a little well on the bottom where the plug is that will tend to collect the little metal particles from the breakin period. When you shut down the motor, the particles in suspension will accumulate on the bottom of the crankcase. While you can drain out most of the oil by removing the filter cap on the side, it looked to me like there would still be a little oil left in the bottom of the crankcase.

I had to remove my skid plate to get to the drain plug the first time I changed my oil. While I had the skid plate off I cut a bigger hole in it so I could get to the plug.

Try pulling your skid plate off and see if there is a plug in the bottom of the motor. It looks like a bolt head sticking down there.

If indeed there is no drain plug, then you are limited to using the filter cap to drain the oil. If you drain it immediately after riding, most of the particulates will still be suspended in the oil and will come out with it.

Good luck!

[RookieBiker]

Originally Posted by Beerslayer

If your MaxFine has a drain plug you might be better off to use it. There is probably a little well on the bottom where the plug is that will tend to collect the little metal particles from the breakin period. When you shut down the motor, the particles in suspension will accumulate on the bottom of the crankcase. While you can drain out most of the oil by removing the filter cap on the side, it looked to me like there would still be a little oil left in the bottom of the crankcase.

I had to remove my skid plate to get to the drain plug the first time I changed my oil. While I had the skid plate off I cut a bigger hole in it so I could get to the plug.

Try pulling your skid plate off and see if there is a plug in the bottom of the motor. It looks like a bolt head sticking down there.

If indeed there is no drain plug, then you are limited to using the filter cap to drain the oil. If you drain it immediately after riding, most of the particulates will still be suspended in the oil and will come out with it.

Good luck!

Thanks - I will check it and see if there is another drain on the bootom. That all makes sense - just never looked underneath since it was marked in the manual as the drain plug.

[RookieBiker]

Well no drain on the bottom of the 150 and the fiter cap and outlet are actually forming a small dip at the bottom of the engine which makes it the absolte lowest spot so I guess for this engine the filter cap is the drain.

[ImEazy]

Originally Posted by ImEazy

You can get one at your local auto parts store. I seen them at Advance
auto parts for about $3 or $4. They were magnetic as well. The drain
plug that came in mine is magnetic also. It had a bunch of small particles
of metal on it as did both of my kids 125's as well. I changed the oil
before ever running them.

Well I took and drained the oil once again today. I wanted to take the
drain plug to the parts store to see if I could get a magnetic one. Well
they only had M12 x 1.25 and M12 x 1.75 ones that wouldn't work. The
one outta my GY is M12 x 1.50. So I got on the web and found one that
I may invest in once I have the funds. Unfortunately they are a little
more than a few dollars. Almost $20 to be exact. A couple links that I
found.

Zip Ty Racing.
http://www.ziptyracing.com/products/...px?id=MTA1Mw==

Dual Star. This is the one I want.
http://www.dual-star.com/index2/Bran...ain%20Plug.htm

Some reading from a KLR650 site...

What size is the oil plug?
The oil plug thread is M12 x 1.50. Moose makes a magnetic drain plug (p/n M0103), and Dual Star makes a low-profile one. (You can also knock some of the hex off of the Moose plug with a lathe or grinder.) Cutting down the drain plug is a good idea for off-roading, as it can stick out past the skid plate. One Moose adopter reported having to run a thread die over the plug to get an easy fit into the drain hole. A further option is Honda p/n 92800-12000.

Could this be the same Honda part number as the XR200? After a google
and ebay search I came up emty handed. Hope this helps...

[DeethDaa]

Imeazy,

There are two oil filters on these engines, as ther are on the Hondas. One is the wire mesh located on the lower left hand side (altenator side). The other is a rotor type affair, which is bolted onto the crank on the right side of the engine (clutch side). The oil is passed into this filter from an oilway in the clutch cover. As it is mounted on the crankshaft this filter is rotating at engine rpm, and so works as a centrafuge. On these engines you will need to remove the clutch cover to gain access to it. Hope this helps.

I have labeled pullin-gs's photos below:

http://www.nalyd.freeserve.co.uk/GY200/mm8.JPG

http://www.nalyd.freeserve.co.uk/GY200/mm6.JPG

[ImEazy]

Thanks for the info. That's what I was wondering from the pic in the manual. Does the internal filter need to be cleaned as often as the screen? I just changed the oil the other day and the screen was comepletely clean, no metal shavings at all. I have no idea as to how many miles are on this thing. Still working to afford a speedo cable. laughs.

[DeethDaa]

ImEazy,

I have owned three small bore SOHC Honda engines (CB100N CB125 XL125) when I was in in my teens. I only cleaned these filters when I had cause to remove the clutch cover. I never owned them for any length of time. I also owned a CB500T (inline twin) which also had the same type of filter. However there was a cover on the clutch casing which allowed you access tho the filter without having to remove the entire clutch cover. Initially when I owned this bike, I would clean it every oil change. But due to the the hassle and small amount of debri, I eventually did it about twice a year.

I've also owned British bike which used this principle. However they used one of the crank webs as the centifuge. There was a large blanking screw which you could remove to clean out the web. However the crank had to be removed from the bike to do this (complete engine dismantle) therefore it was not what you would call routine maintainance.

I've recently bought a GY200, which uses the OHC Honda clone engine. I personally intend to make this an annual task. I don't recall ever seeing a time/milage scale in any manual for this. If anyone knows different, I would be interested to hear.

[ImEazy]

Originally Posted by DeethDaa

I've recently bought a GY200, which uses the OHC Honda clone engine. I personally intend to make this an annual task. I don't recall ever seeing a time/milage scale in any manual for this. If anyone knows different, I would be interested to hear.

I was thinking about once a year as well. Depends on what I have to do for replacement gaskets. I'll get to it eventually. I did do a web search to find out about this type of filter, but don't remember reading about any time frame. If I can find the time I'll look again and let you know. Thanks again.

[CathastrophiX]

Oil plug M12x1,5 with magnet SEK89=$12

http://www.jofrab.se/commercePortal/...fromSearch=yes

[ImEazy]

Thanks for the link CathastrophiX. I tried to view the site three different times, but it wouldn't load comepletely? I'll probably just go with the one I mentioned earlier as this looks to be in Sweden. Shipping may be more than it's worth. I have to get a job before I can really afford anymore anyhow. Still trying to get a speedo cable. Laughs...