Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant?

SpudRider · 04-28-2017, 02:36 PM

Has anyone tried adding Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant to his fuel? Here is the link to a description of the product at the Lucas website.

https://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-t...fuel-treatment

Walmart sells it for $3.83 in the smallest bottle (5.25 ounces).

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lucas-Oil...ingMethod=p13n

Walmart also sells the quart bottle for $8.87. This seems to be the best value.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/16777813?...&wl13=&veh=sem

SpudRider · 04-28-2017, 02:46 PM

2LZ · 04-28-2017, 03:36 PM

Thank you for posting this Spud!

Gerry at CSC highly recommends this product during break-in periods on all of their motorcycles. I bought a pretty large bottle for that reason and have been adding it to every fill-up in all of my motorcycles.

SpudRider · 04-28-2017, 04:12 PM

2LZ,

What is your assessment of this product after using it? I am tempted to give it a try, myself.

Megadan · 04-28-2017, 04:30 PM

If you are doing this for lubrication and cleaning properties, the old timers in the Goldwing world (and myself and many others) use Marvel Mystery Oil or Stabil Marine (has lubricating properties and better protection against condensation) and swear by it. 2 ounces per 5 gallons of MM0 is all it takes to keep the 4 very finicky and intricate Keihin carbs working perfectly and prevents their teeny tiny internal passages from getting clogged up (a common issue on GL1000-1200's). A 32oz bottle of MMO is around 4 bucks, and lasts for 16 fill ups - or 80 gallons - on my Goldwing.

I recently switched to Stabil Marine 360. It's a little more expensive than MMO, but it has made a huge difference on any post 1+ week storage startups (back to those teeny passages of the GL carbs). It also helps with ethanol blend fuels as well, and only takes one ounce per 10 gal.

jbfla · 04-28-2017, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider

Has anyone tried adding Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant to his fuel? ...........

I put in a shot glass full every tank...when I remember...

It feels oily to the touch, so I feel it may be more of a lubricant than a cleaner, but that is speculation.

I don't think there is any way to prove if any of the additives are beneficial as far as engine wear, without tearing down the engine, taking measurements, and then comparing to engines that have not had the additives.

You're welcome to tear down my engine to check.....

jb

SpudRider · 04-28-2017, 05:35 PM

JB & 2LZ,

Do you guys notice any difference in fuel mileage and/or engine performance when you forget to use the Lucas product?

jogirob · 04-28-2017, 06:49 PM

I bought that additive just because it was recommended by CSC during the break in process. I put in a tiny amount when I was shutting the bike down for the day. The next day the engine kept stalling, about 3 times within the first minute of starting the engine. On the 3rd try I gave it a little throttle and that seemed to stop the stalling while idling. It stalls no matter if the engine is cold or warm. Usually after sitting for a few hours. There have been a few times when I've been coasting at low RPM's when suddenly the engine cuts out.

I didn't start adding the fuel treatment until about mile 180 or 2 visits to the gas station. Recently, at around mile 275, I added a larger amount of the same treatment to a full tank of gas and noticed that It's not stalling as often. Maybe the fuel additive that was added initially by CSC was getting too diluted and not as effective after subsequent fill-ups?

SpudRider · 04-28-2017, 07:16 PM

Thanks for you feedback, Rob.

My RX3 has been running well for over 25,000 miles without the Lucas fuel treatment, but I might still experiment with it. It certainly wouldn't hurt to run the Lucas fuel treatment to clean out my fuel injector, et cetera.

jbfla · 04-28-2017, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpudRider

JB & 2LZ,

Do you guys notice any difference in fuel mileage and/or engine performance when you forget to use the Lucas product?

I haven't noticed any difference in mileage or performance.

I keep track of every tankful of fuel. Mileage depends more on the use of the throttle and the terrain.

As much drama as I have had with the engine, it starts with the first push of the starter button, never stalls, and has the same power/performance as it did when new...

....in fact, it seems to be running better....except for the strange noises.

jb

Working_ZS · 04-28-2017, 08:04 PM

I've used this stuff since day one. I did my first valve adjustment at 500 miles and the next at 4400, when the bike started to stall while coasting down from highway speed with the clutch pulled in. Only the exhaust valves needed adjustment, there was no reduction in the intake valve clearances. I can't say for sure that the Lucas is responsible, but I can't say that it isn't either. I usually put in a squirt with each one or two gallon fill up, I couldn't tell you the exact amount.

I bought a quart initially and now refill that bottle from a gallon jug that I picked up at Walmart for $30. I've still got 3/4 of that left and I'm at 5800 miles now.

fjmartin · 04-28-2017, 10:02 PM

Spud, I've been using the Lucas upper cylinder cleaner/lube since day 1. I've never put in fuel without adding it. I keep a 4oz squeeze bottle in my kit which has 1/4oz marks on it so I can put in a 1/4oz per gallon. So I can't comment on whether my fuel mileage is better or the bike runs better since it has only run with it. What I can say it my bike runs well but I'm only at 6500 miles so I think it too early to say really anything about it's benefits. To me it's cheap insurance. Since it's more of a lube than a cleaner...according to a bunch of things I read on the net...so it must be true, I used the Lucas cleaner at mile 4000 and plan to do it every 4000 miles or so for a tankful.

Azhule · 04-28-2017, 10:53 PM

Said this already somewhere on this forum...

Lucas fuel treatment contains "PIB" aka Polyisobutylene... PIB helps with fuel tension, water removal, and fuel droplet sizes (want to be the same size)... it is one of the many "fuel system treatments" that I have tested and I found that Lucas Fuel Treatment and Upper Cylinder Lube "works as advertised"... takes a while (a few thousand miles) to clean up existing (carbon) deposits, but overall it's an "OK" product, buy it on sale or with a coupon code (Advance Auto) and make sure you use it every fill up for best results

1 to 1.5 ounces for every 5 gallons of fuel... first doze I always used 1.5 ounces per 5 gallons... then 1 ounce every 5 gallons after that

Inroads · 04-28-2017, 11:21 PM

MMO is about half the price of Lucas but couldn't say which is better.
I think both are valuable if for no other reason for lubing the fuel pump.

SpudRider · 04-29-2017, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megadan

If you are doing this for lubrication and cleaning properties, the old timers in the Goldwing world (and myself and many others) use Marvel Mystery Oil or Stabil Marine (has lubricating properties and better protection against condensation) and swear by it. 2 ounces per 5 gallons of MM0 is all it takes to keep the 4 very finicky and intricate Keihin carbs working perfectly and prevents their teeny tiny internal passages from getting clogged up (a common issue on GL1000-1200's). A 32oz bottle of MMO is around 4 bucks, and lasts for 16 fill ups - or 80 gallons - on my Goldwing.

I recently switched to Stabil Marine 360. It's a little more expensive than MMO, but it has made a huge difference on any post 1+ week storage startups (back to those teeny passages of the GL carbs). It also helps with ethanol blend fuels as well, and only takes one ounce per 10 gal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inroads

MMO is about half the price of Lucas but couldn't say which is better.
I think both are valuable if for no other reason for lubing the fuel pump.

I see Walmart is selling Marvel Mystery Oil for $3.88/quart.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Marvel-My...&wl13=&veh=sem

04-28-2017, 02:36 PM	#1
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant? Has anyone tried adding Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant to his fuel? Here is the link to a description of the product at the Lucas website. https://lucasoil.com/products/fuel-t...fuel-treatment Walmart sells it for $3.83 in the smallest bottle (5.25 ounces). https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lucas-Oil...ingMethod=p13n Walmart also sells the quart bottle for $8.87. This seems to be the best value. https://www.walmart.com/ip/16777813?...&wl13=&veh=sem __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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04-28-2017, 02:46 PM	#2
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	__________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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04-28-2017, 03:36 PM	#3
2LZ Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Volcano, Ca Posts: 7,070	Thank you for posting this Spud! Gerry at CSC highly recommends this product during break-in periods on all of their motorcycles. I bought a pretty large bottle for that reason and have been adding it to every fill-up in all of my motorcycles. __________________ "Light a fire for a man, and you heat him for a day. Light a man on fire, and you heat him for the rest of his life." 2007 Suzuki DRZ400S (SM convert) 2009 Q Link XP 200 1967 BSA B25 250cc Starfire 2022 Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 2023 Royal Enfield Scram 411 1948 Royal Enfield Model G 350
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04-28-2017, 04:12 PM	#4
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	2LZ, What is your assessment of this product after using it? I am tempted to give it a try, myself. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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04-28-2017, 05:35 PM	#7
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	JB & 2LZ, Do you guys notice any difference in fuel mileage and/or engine performance when you forget to use the Lucas product? __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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04-28-2017, 04:30 PM	#5
Megadan Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 7,940	If you are doing this for lubrication and cleaning properties, the old timers in the Goldwing world (and myself and many others) use Marvel Mystery Oil or Stabil Marine (has lubricating properties and better protection against condensation) and swear by it. 2 ounces per 5 gallons of MM0 is all it takes to keep the 4 very finicky and intricate Keihin carbs working perfectly and prevents their teeny tiny internal passages from getting clogged up (a common issue on GL1000-1200's). A 32oz bottle of MMO is around 4 bucks, and lasts for 16 fill ups - or 80 gallons - on my Goldwing. I recently switched to Stabil Marine 360. It's a little more expensive than MMO, but it has made a huge difference on any post 1+ week storage startups (back to those teeny passages of the GL carbs). It also helps with ethanol blend fuels as well, and only takes one ounce per 10 gal.
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04-28-2017, 06:49 PM	#8
jogirob Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: west Sacramento, ca Posts: 36	I bought that additive just because it was recommended by CSC during the break in process. I put in a tiny amount when I was shutting the bike down for the day. The next day the engine kept stalling, about 3 times within the first minute of starting the engine. On the 3rd try I gave it a little throttle and that seemed to stop the stalling while idling. It stalls no matter if the engine is cold or warm. Usually after sitting for a few hours. There have been a few times when I've been coasting at low RPM's when suddenly the engine cuts out. I didn't start adding the fuel treatment until about mile 180 or 2 visits to the gas station. Recently, at around mile 275, I added a larger amount of the same treatment to a full tank of gas and noticed that It's not stalling as often. Maybe the fuel additive that was added initially by CSC was getting too diluted and not as effective after subsequent fill-ups?
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04-28-2017, 07:16 PM	#9
SpudRider Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 25,054	Thanks for you feedback, Rob. My RX3 has been running well for over 25,000 miles without the Lucas fuel treatment, but I might still experiment with it. It certainly wouldn't hurt to run the Lucas fuel treatment to clean out my fuel injector, et cetera. __________________ Spud "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience." Mark Twain 2015 Zongshen ZS250GY-3 (RX3) 2006 Zongshen ZS200GY-2 (Sierra 200) 2005 Honda XR650L 2004 Honda CRF250X 1998 Kawasaki KDX220 Mods made to my Zongshen ZS200GY-2: http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=6894
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04-28-2017, 08:04 PM	#11
Working_ZS Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 365	It Doesn't Seem To Hurt I've used this stuff since day one. I did my first valve adjustment at 500 miles and the next at 4400, when the bike started to stall while coasting down from highway speed with the clutch pulled in. Only the exhaust valves needed adjustment, there was no reduction in the intake valve clearances. I can't say for sure that the Lucas is responsible, but I can't say that it isn't either. I usually put in a squirt with each one or two gallon fill up, I couldn't tell you the exact amount. I bought a quart initially and now refill that bottle from a gallon jug that I picked up at Walmart for $30. I've still got 3/4 of that left and I'm at 5800 miles now.
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04-28-2017, 10:02 PM	#12
fjmartin Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Redmond, WA. Posts: 534	Always use it Spud, I've been using the Lucas upper cylinder cleaner/lube since day 1. I've never put in fuel without adding it. I keep a 4oz squeeze bottle in my kit which has 1/4oz marks on it so I can put in a 1/4oz per gallon. So I can't comment on whether my fuel mileage is better or the bike runs better since it has only run with it. What I can say it my bike runs well but I'm only at 6500 miles so I think it too early to say really anything about it's benefits. To me it's cheap insurance. Since it's more of a lube than a cleaner...according to a bunch of things I read on the net...so it must be true, I used the Lucas cleaner at mile 4000 and plan to do it every 4000 miles or so for a tankful. __________________ 2017 BMW F800GS Adventure
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04-28-2017, 10:53 PM	#13
Azhule Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: CO Posts: 1,525	Said this already somewhere on this forum... Lucas fuel treatment contains "PIB" aka Polyisobutylene... PIB helps with fuel tension, water removal, and fuel droplet sizes (want to be the same size)... it is one of the many "fuel system treatments" that I have tested and I found that Lucas Fuel Treatment and Upper Cylinder Lube "works as advertised"... takes a while (a few thousand miles) to clean up existing (carbon) deposits, but overall it's an "OK" product, buy it on sale or with a coupon code (Advance Auto) and make sure you use it every fill up for best results 1 to 1.5 ounces for every 5 gallons of fuel... first doze I always used 1.5 ounces per 5 gallons... then 1 ounce every 5 gallons after that __________________ "Think as you like... but this self proclaimed Professor is always right" - Buckshot "You never know what someone is hiding beneath their smile..." - NinjaTom - R.I.P.
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04-28-2017, 11:21 PM	#14
Inroads Join Date: May 2015 Location: Wimberley Texas Posts: 193	MMO is about half the price of Lucas but couldn't say which is better. I think both are valuable if for no other reason for lubing the fuel pump.
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