When is a Templar not a Templar?

Fast_Freddy · 04-25-2023, 09:30 PM

When it has a X or M suffix. Aside from the engine these Templars have very little in common, as I continue to discover.

I attempted to install my new JTR210.46 rear sprocket today only to discover that it doesn't fit. The bolt circle diameter is slightly larger than my oem sprocket. It also turns out that my oem sprocket has 47 teeth, not 49. My fault for not double checking that. I checked it months back with a flashlight in a cold, dark garage and it looked like 49 to me at the time.

If any Templar X/M owner wants a new black JTR210 46 tooth rear sprocket, let me know.

Thumper · 04-26-2023, 09:44 AM

Crap

Can you check dimensions of the original sprocket? Need values for the diameter of the center hub fitment, diameter enter to center for the bolt pattern, number of bolts. That should be enough to look at JT sprocket dimensions.

The dimensions for the 210 with a photo from the JT website can be seen on the Templar resource, and we can add compatible sprocket for the Templar.

Fast_Freddy · 04-26-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

Crap

Can you check dimensions of the original sprocket? Need values for the diameter of the center hub fitment, diameter enter to center for the bolt pattern, number of bolts. That should be enough to look at JT sprocket dimensions.

The dimensions for the 210 with a photo from the JT website can be seen on the Templar resource, and we can add compatible sprocket for the Templar.

I think I found it! My oem rear sprocket is 520 pitch, 125mm inner circle, 150mm bolt circle, 6x 8.5mm bolt holes.

JTR897 should fit.

vividpixel · 04-26-2023, 03:05 PM

I'd take that sprocket off your hands! Just got my Templar X put together recently and that's certainly on the to-buy list.

Fast_Freddy · 04-26-2023, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vividpixel

I'd take that sprocket off your hands! Just got my Templar X put together recently and that's certainly on the to-buy list.

PM'd.

Fast_Freddy · 04-28-2023, 07:18 PM

I ordered one JTR897.44 to test fit. I'm 99% sure it's a perfect fit but 100% is more betterer. FWIW a guy on facebook installed a JTR210 on his Templar but had to enlarge the hub holes to get it installed. I considered slotting the holes slightly but consider that a last resort option.

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TemplarM250 · 05-01-2023, 12:51 AM

Yes I ran into the same issue. I also have an extra JTR210 sprocket for my M. JTR897 is good to go on the M, I just installed a JTR897.45 rear this weekend.

Fast_Freddy · 05-01-2023, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TemplarM250

Yes I ran into the same issue. I also have an extra JTR210 sprocket for my M. JTR897 is good to go on the M, I just installed a JTR897.45 rear this weekend.

Thanks! What model year is your M? Did it come with a 47 tooth or 49 tooth rear sprocket? This is great info to include in the Templar resource guide. Previously it was thought that both the X & M used JTR210.49 stock.

TemplarM250 · 05-01-2023, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Thanks! What model year is your M? Did it come with a 47 tooth or 49 tooth rear sprocket? This is great info to include in the Templar resource guide. Previously it was thought that both the X & M used JTR210.49 stock.

My M is a 2022 model and came with a 47 tooth rear sprocket. Interesting enough it also came with a 100/90-18 tire mounted and when I got a replacement wheel for it they sent me a 110/100-18 tire mounted on the new wheel.

Fast_Freddy · 05-18-2023, 11:01 PM

I installed a JTR897.44 rear sprocket today and it was a perfect fit for my '22 base Templar. It appears that if your oem sprocket has 49 teeth you need JTR210 and if your oem has 47 teeth you need JTR897.

Fast_Freddy · 05-19-2023, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jc3

I think the M has more in common with the non-labeled than the X. The X seems to significantly upgraded.

Yeah, the Templar family must have 3 baby daddies. 2 frames, 2 engines, 3 forks, 3 shocks, 2 wheel sets, et al.

Fast_Freddy · 05-21-2023, 12:26 AM

Just when it seemed like Templar rear sprocket fitment was clear, some guy on facebook claims that JTR897 didn't fit his '22 Templar M. Now I can't be sure if there's any consistency between Templar models and rear sprockets. AFAIK every X so far uses JTR210 and every known base model uses JR897 but we have one M using each.

04-25-2023, 09:30 PM	#1
Fast_Freddy Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Pennsyltuckey Posts: 291	When is a Templar not a Templar? When it has a X or M suffix. Aside from the engine these Templars have very little in common, as I continue to discover. I attempted to install my new JTR210.46 rear sprocket today only to discover that it doesn't fit. The bolt circle diameter is slightly larger than my oem sprocket. It also turns out that my oem sprocket has 47 teeth, not 49. My fault for not double checking that. I checked it months back with a flashlight in a cold, dark garage and it looked like 49 to me at the time. If any Templar X/M owner wants a new black JTR210 46 tooth rear sprocket, let me know. __________________ 22 Templar 250 Last edited by Fast_Freddy; 04-28-2023 at 07:28 PM.
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04-26-2023, 09:44 AM	#2
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,360	Crap Can you check dimensions of the original sprocket? Need values for the diameter of the center hub fitment, diameter enter to center for the bolt pattern, number of bolts. That should be enough to look at JT sprocket dimensions. The dimensions for the 210 with a photo from the JT website can be seen on the Templar resource, and we can add compatible sprocket for the Templar. __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it
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04-28-2023, 07:18 PM	#6
Fast_Freddy Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Pennsyltuckey Posts: 291	I ordered one JTR897.44 to test fit. I'm 99% sure it's a perfect fit but 100% is more betterer. FWIW a guy on facebook installed a JTR210 on his Templar but had to enlarge the hub holes to get it installed. I considered slotting the holes slightly but consider that a last resort option. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 __________________ 22 Templar 250
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05-01-2023, 12:51 AM	#7
TemplarM250 Join Date: Sep 2022 Location: Minnesota Posts: 21	Yes I ran into the same issue. I also have an extra JTR210 sprocket for my M. JTR897 is good to go on the M, I just installed a JTR897.45 rear this weekend. __________________ 2022 Templar M 250 28 mm KIMISS carburetor 125 main 42 pilot Needle clip at center DID x-ring chain JTR897 45 tooth rear sprocket
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05-18-2023, 11:01 PM	#10
Fast_Freddy Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Pennsyltuckey Posts: 291	I installed a JTR897.44 rear sprocket today and it was a perfect fit for my '22 base Templar. It appears that if your oem sprocket has 49 teeth you need JTR210 and if your oem has 47 teeth you need JTR897. __________________ 22 Templar 250
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04-26-2023, 03:05 PM	#4
vividpixel Join Date: Feb 2022 Location: Nevada, USA Posts: 88	I'd take that sprocket off your hands! Just got my Templar X put together recently and that's certainly on the to-buy list.
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05-21-2023, 12:26 AM	#12
Fast_Freddy Join Date: Nov 2022 Location: Pennsyltuckey Posts: 291	Just when it seemed like Templar rear sprocket fitment was clear, some guy on facebook claims that JTR897 didn't fit his '22 Templar M. Now I can't be sure if there's any consistency between Templar models and rear sprockets. AFAIK every X so far uses JTR210 and every known base model uses JR897 but we have one M using each. __________________ 22 Templar 250
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