Mini ATV front Suspension - Page 2

waynev · 11-12-2009, 07:26 AM

Yes W&G, i used the bathroom scale on the arbour press with a pc of 3/4" plywood on it and a tape measure standing up so i could compress the shocks while reading the tape measure to check travel and the scale for spring rate.

jeffjr464 · 11-26-2009, 05:19 AM

i wonder if there is a shock the right size to bolt on instead of the springs

PCD · 11-26-2009, 06:46 AM

The mini 50cc ATV springs are NOT the same as the springs on my mini 110cc atv.
Isnt that sweet :evil: :evil:

In an earlier post in this thread I mentioned I ordered them.

So...first it was the single exhaust instead of dual...then the hubs were obviously different...then the dual exhaust which did not fit correctly and will take more modification, now the shocks are much different.

Eye to eye is the same, but spring diameter, coil diameter, spring length, and rod diameter are MUCH smaller than whats on the quad now.

If anyone "new" is reading this, you can go search my posts on the above items instead of me cluttering up the forums rehashing everything here.

Plain and simple this is not the same quad with just a bigger engine. Its a redesign and I dont give a flying tuck what John says, its a different quad.

Keep in mind he didnt even know they were coming with single exhaust instead of dual (like the old 50cc) until I told him and even then I had to send a pic.

The frame MUST be different or bigger which is why the mini ATV dual exhaust is such a pain to install and is not going to fit correctly. This is not like TurboT having to finesse the parts on but eventually they fit and it looks good...I have one side on OK and the other 3" out...and I had to bend the living daylights out of the headpipe to even get that.

I'll take pictures of the springs later today and update this post.

TurboT · 11-26-2009, 03:59 PM

Odd. I'm interested to see the pictures.

waynev · 11-26-2009, 07:55 PM

So they are different, are the new shocks on your 110 any softer than the one in your hand?, my son's 50cc is hard as a rock, i stil lhave to put the springs in that i cut down though, that should help.

PCD · 11-27-2009, 12:54 AM

I have to pull one of the stockers off first, but if the stockers are real shocks, then I'll cut them and reinstall. I'm not holding my breath.

If both sets are fake, and spring rates similar, then I'll probably put the smaller ones on as is. Maybe.

I can get the stockers to compress a little by leaning on the bars, but I can also get the new ones to compress about 1/2" by leaning on it "with gusto" so to speak.

I need to get one off the bike for a fair comparison.

EDIT: No time today, will try and get to it before the weekend is out. I think I have an open slot between 01:00AM and 03:00AM

waynev · 12-27-2009, 09:13 AM

Well with all this time off for the holidays it's given me time to do some work on my quads, finally got the cut-down-spring shocks on my sons 50cc GIO, before i could barely move the front end, like i mean about 1/4" with all my weight pushing on the front end, now with the cut down springs it now moves about 1-1/2" with my weight on it, still not too much but much better than before.

Weldangrind · 12-27-2009, 11:46 AM

All you did was cut down the coils to improve the spring rate? Did it lower the quad by much?

waynev · 12-27-2009, 12:46 PM

YES, at noted in my first post, cutting 3/4" off the more compressed coils on the one end did yeild a lower spring rate as tested on the scales, the quad sits no lower, but now has a bit of movement to it, before it was rock hard, the springs were very preloaded and cutting the 3/4" off released the preload tension and now the front end will move, not much ( 1-1/2" ) but much more than stock.

waynev · 12-27-2009, 04:00 PM

Ok quad is all together now, it seems the new front brake hubs only worked with the silver wheels i won off the auction, lucky i had them, so i can see how you had problems PCD, with the different bolt patterns and center hole size, i wonder if in years past they had different front hubs since the silver wheels i got fit the new ( might be old ) front drum brake hubs and also fits the back of my sons 50cc quad.

Anyways all is back together, but it now won't start, i blew a fuse, replaced it and noticed something is shorting when i hit the stater button, time to put the tools away and break out the meter.

Here's a few pics of the front end now and the quad with the silver wheels.

I also had time to put the Beast Performance shocks on my T1 as the stockers were also hard as rock, i needed to grind the top of the shocks a bit so i could bolt them in on the top, but other than that they easily fit and are 200% better than the stock shocks, which did not move at all.

waynev · 12-28-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by waynev

Anyways all is back together, but it now won't start, i blew a fuse, replaced it and noticed something is shorting when i hit the stater button, time to put the tools away and break out the meter.

Ok, got it to fire today, turns out when i reinstalled the shock bolts i pinched the blue wire that went to the remote stop/start from the starter button hence the direct short when trying to start it.
I was also having problems starting it after washing, so i pulled every wiring plug apart and gave it a generous helping of di-electric grease, hope that helps.

11-26-2009, 06:46 AM	#18
PCD Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Newmarket On Canada Posts: 382	The mini 50cc ATV springs are NOT the same as the springs on my mini 110cc atv. Isnt that sweet :evil: :evil: In an earlier post in this thread I mentioned I ordered them. So...first it was the single exhaust instead of dual...then the hubs were obviously different...then the dual exhaust which did not fit correctly and will take more modification, now the shocks are much different. Eye to eye is the same, but spring diameter, coil diameter, spring length, and rod diameter are MUCH smaller than whats on the quad now. If anyone "new" is reading this, you can go search my posts on the above items instead of me cluttering up the forums rehashing everything here. Plain and simple this is not the same quad with just a bigger engine. Its a redesign and I dont give a flying tuck what John says, its a different quad. Keep in mind he didnt even know they were coming with single exhaust instead of dual (like the old 50cc) until I told him and even then I had to send a pic. The frame MUST be different or bigger which is why the mini ATV dual exhaust is such a pain to install and is not going to fit correctly. This is not like TurboT having to finesse the parts on but eventually they fit and it looks good...I have one side on OK and the other 3" out...and I had to bend the living daylights out of the headpipe to even get that. I'll take pictures of the springs later today and update this post. __________________ Good, Fast, or Cheap....Pick Two.
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11-27-2009, 12:54 AM	#21
PCD Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Newmarket On Canada Posts: 382	I have to pull one of the stockers off first, but if the stockers are real shocks, then I'll cut them and reinstall. I'm not holding my breath. If both sets are fake, and spring rates similar, then I'll probably put the smaller ones on as is. Maybe. I can get the stockers to compress a little by leaning on the bars, but I can also get the new ones to compress about 1/2" by leaning on it "with gusto" so to speak. I need to get one off the bike for a fair comparison. EDIT: No time today, will try and get to it before the weekend is out. I think I have an open slot between 01:00AM and 03:00AM __________________ Good, Fast, or Cheap....Pick Two.
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12-27-2009, 11:46 AM	#23
Weldangrind Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Sardis, BC, Canada Posts: 25,977	All you did was cut down the coils to improve the spring rate? Did it lower the quad by much? __________________ Weldangrind "I figure I'm well-prepared for coping with a bike that comes from the factory with unresolved issues and that rewards the self-reliant owner." - Buccaneer
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11-12-2009, 07:26 AM	#16
waynev Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,097	Yes W&G, i used the bathroom scale on the arbour press with a pc of 3/4" plywood on it and a tape measure standing up so i could compress the shocks while reading the tape measure to check travel and the scale for spring rate.
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11-26-2009, 05:19 AM	#17
jeffjr464 Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 3	i wonder if there is a shock the right size to bolt on instead of the springs
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11-26-2009, 03:59 PM	#19
TurboT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Surrey, B.C., Canada Posts: 2,185	Odd. I'm interested to see the pictures.
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11-26-2009, 07:55 PM	#20
waynev Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,097	So they are different, are the new shocks on your 110 any softer than the one in your hand?, my son's 50cc is hard as a rock, i stil lhave to put the springs in that i cut down though, that should help.
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12-27-2009, 09:13 AM	#22
waynev Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,097	Well with all this time off for the holidays it's given me time to do some work on my quads, finally got the cut-down-spring shocks on my sons 50cc GIO, before i could barely move the front end, like i mean about 1/4" with all my weight pushing on the front end, now with the cut down springs it now moves about 1-1/2" with my weight on it, still not too much but much better than before.
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12-27-2009, 12:46 PM	#24
waynev Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,097	YES, at noted in my first post, cutting 3/4" off the more compressed coils on the one end did yeild a lower spring rate as tested on the scales, the quad sits no lower, but now has a bit of movement to it, before it was rock hard, the springs were very preloaded and cutting the 3/4" off released the preload tension and now the front end will move, not much ( 1-1/2" ) but much more than stock.
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12-27-2009, 04:00 PM	#25
waynev Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,097	Ok quad is all together now, it seems the new front brake hubs only worked with the silver wheels i won off the auction, lucky i had them, so i can see how you had problems PCD, with the different bolt patterns and center hole size, i wonder if in years past they had different front hubs since the silver wheels i got fit the new ( might be old ) front drum brake hubs and also fits the back of my sons 50cc quad. Anyways all is back together, but it now won't start, i blew a fuse, replaced it and noticed something is shorting when i hit the stater button, time to put the tools away and break out the meter. Here's a few pics of the front end now and the quad with the silver wheels. I also had time to put the Beast Performance shocks on my T1 as the stockers were also hard as rock, i needed to grind the top of the shocks a bit so i could bolt them in on the top, but other than that they easily fit and are 200% better than the stock shocks, which did not move at all.
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