hot wires?

[jayg]

A friend of mine blew a hole in his piston with this.

[Jaime]

On a china Bike?

[CoolWhip2Go]

Originally Posted by jayg

A friend of mine blew a hole in his piston with this.

On a motorcycle???? There are many factors to take into account before accusing the HotWires as being the culprit. Two things are going to cause this to happen, one is a plug that was too hot and a LEAN condition.

[SpeedSouth]

Originally Posted by CoolWhip2Go

There have been a lot of negative info in regards to the Nology HotWires, however, let's take into account that if these wires did not work, Nology would not have a limited lifetime warranty on these.

I'm sorry, but that is just flawed logic. A company will choose to offer a warranty (even a "limited lifetime") for a variety of reasons, the very least of which may be based on the claims made by said company.

Watch any infomercial. They claim to grow hair (among other things), reduce weight, tighten your abs, increase fuel mileage and a great number of other things. Most of which, simply aren't true.

Now, I haven't tested this product, and likely never will, so I will refrain from claiming it will or won't work. I remain skeptical, but willing to accept any facts provided.

I would also like to point out, however, that I am firmly in the camp of: If I want more power, I'll get a bigger bike.

[CoolWhip2Go]

Originally Posted by SpeedSouth

I'm sorry, but that is just flawed logic. A company will choose to offer a warranty (even a "limited lifetime") for a variety of reasons, the very least of which may be based on the claims made by said company.

Watch any infomercial. They claim to grow hair (among other things), reduce weight, tighten your abs, increase fuel mileage and a great number of other things. Most of which, simply aren't true.

Now, I haven't tested this product, and likely never will, so I will refrain from claiming it will or won't work. I remain skeptical, but willing to accept any facts provided.

I would also like to point out, however, that I am firmly in the camp of: If I want more power, I'll get a bigger bike.

I agree with you. I was just trying to explain that they do stand behind their product.

Speaking of informercial, I love the one where Ron Popeil sprays bald spots with what appears to be "hair paint" to make it look like you have hair!

Back to the subject.... I am one of the most skeptical people in the world, so i totally understand where you're coming from, however, having installed the items I'm recommending in my bike, i noticed a difference in performance, acceleration, and the way the engine runs which is why I'm trying to share my findings with others. These minor, inexpensive upgrades which totals around $60 or so, is well worth it IMO for a more responsive bike which in turn makes it more fun to ride.

Of course, in my review of the products on LifanMoto, you will see that I'm a realistic person and flat out tell you that it's not going to turn your 200cc engine into a 500cc Ninja, however, it does make your bike a lot more fun to ride due to how responsive it becomes with those upgrades.

[CoolWhip2Go]

Originally Posted by SpeedSouth

I'm not a member at that other site, so I couldn't see any of the stuff attached in that thread. I don't know if it was pictures, links to other sites or documents of some sort.

I could (and will eventually) search for this "hotwire" on my own, but for now...color me skeptical.

It's hard to simply accept a "seat of the pants", "I just did this mod and hope I didn't waste my time and money" review. But, I guess a before and after dyno run is too much to expect.


I hope it works well for you. It would be great if you could provide more details...like maybe some pictures the members of THIS site can see.

I don't know how to upload a PDF of "HotRod Bikes" article on the Nology HotWires, but here's a snippet of their review. If you'd like a copy of the article, please PM me your email address and I will be happy to email it to you. The rest are collective quotes from magazines (bold) that had write ups on the Nology HotWires.

Hot Rod Bikes

"With peak power the best yet at 52.3 hp. More importantly, average power is a whopping 47.1 horsepower, compared to stock at 40.9 horsepower."

Dirt Bike

"Nology HotWires are one of the least expensive parts of any kind that make a performance difference you can feel."

American Iron Magazine

"The results were amazing. Simply by replacing the spark plug wires our maximum horsepower climbed 11% from 47.0 to 52.3, and the torque jumped 8% from 58.8 ft-lb to 63.6."

Thunder Alley

"Many riders I talked to are skeptical when you tell them they can get horsepower increases from something as mundane as plug wires. But the Nology HotWires do exactly that."

[katoranger]

Not advocating either way, but if it is true that American Iron gain 11 percent in horsepower that would take most of our china 200s up 1.76 hp.

16hp to 17.76hp.

That would be noticable on a butt dyno.

I still need more hard data to be sold. $50 is alot to spend on my bike. Buys alot of gas.

Allen

[CoolWhip2Go]

Originally Posted by katoranger

Not advocating either way, but if it is true that American Iron gain 11 percent in horsepower that would take most of our china 200s up 1.76 hp.

16hp to 17.76hp.

That would be noticable on a butt dyno.

I still need more hard data to be sold. $50 is alot to spend on my bike. Buys alot of gas.

Allen

What!!!? Allen, that 1.76HP increase is like giving it a shot of NOS!!! LOL I'm just kidding guys!!!!

What I'm saying is that the engine runs better. You're right, $50 is a lot to spend these days with the way the economy is. I see a lot of people buying these $100 - $300 exhaust cans for their bike and all they get out of that is a nicer sounding bike with some nice exhaust "bling" and small performance gains.

$60 +/- for a plug & wire is really nothing if you take into account the benefits of having better combustion, a cleaner chamber, cleaner exhaust, cleaner plugs, and a smoother, more responsive engine don't you think??

I mean I spend over a $120 to give my car a "tune up"; replacing cap, rotor, plugs, air filter and what do I gain?? Nothing other than a smoother running car. So you can consider the HotWires & Silver plug as a sort of "tune up" for the bike, but with more positive results than just a smoother running engine. Just my take anyways.

To make it very clear. I respect everyone's opinion on this discussion. 8)

[katoranger]

Just saying that I really don't need it, but that I am sure it does make it a difference. Just not sure if I need one.

Allen

[Qingdao]

Originally Posted by CoolWhip2Go

...$60 +/- for a plug & wire is really nothing...

Just fyi a box of 8.5 Accels from Advance cost $29, and you have enough wire left over for your whole garage... including your lawn mower and O/B motor.

[knothead]

Here's an idea for plug wires that has stood the test of time. Hang around anyone who builds drag motors and you'll see them doing this.

Get rid of the resistance in the plugs and wires.
Many bikes have a 5K ohm resistor built into the plug wire cap. Take it out an insert a steel rod in it's place or just replace the cap with a non resistor version. If the wires are resistor wires, ditch them for solid copper. You will notice a bit of a difference even on a Chinese 200.
What happens is the resistance reduces the spark intensity a little and stretches out it's duration. Take the resistance away and the spark becomes very short but very hot (sound familiar? it should and I'm getting to that part).
The down side to non resistor wires is the radio noise. You can hear it over the radio.. but the big problem is it's interference with electronic circuits... like CDI units.
The upside it that it works and is VERY cheap to do.

There are two ways around the downside.

1. add a small amount of resistance back to the wire. 1K ohm will work just fine on most stock ignitions.

2. Add a capacitor and shielding to the wire. Sound familiar? The reason you don't see this approach very often is due to it's cost and the fact that capacitors won't hold up for very long when dealing with the voltages involved (+40,000 volts...there are caps that will hold up, but they are BIG and very expensive). Caps work by having thin layers of a conductive material spaced out wit a semi-nonconductive material. They are delicate, often using an electrolytic fluid inside the housing. If the layers of material break down or the electrolyte leaks out, the capacitor is toast. ... This is the big complaint leveled against the Nology wires, they break down quickly and no longer work.

So if you're bound to mess with plug wires, shop around and find a low/no resistance cap. It'll only cost you about $4 US and you should see the same changes that the $45 Nology wires give and a good deal more reliability.

[VinceDrake]

Good post Mr KnotHead!

The following is not intended to be controversial or agrumentative, Apologies to those who may be angered....

Three points I wanted to bring up about Ignition Systems in general:

a) Capacitors take time to charge. Just like a battery, a capacitor/condensor takes a ceratin amount of time to charge, the coil fires at the same time, unless you advance your timing, mechanically or electronically, Therefore Capacitor in the secondary Ignition system = Retarded igntion timing! Will result in a somewhat smoother idle and low speed operation, but lower overall horse power.

b) Higher *potential* spark voltage means nothing. You can put a MSD super coil on your chine bike fairly easily. The MSD coil *Can* produce up to 60,000 Volts. Will your china bike run at 60,000V with the coil installed? No! The ignition coil only discharges at the voltage required to travel the ignition wire, and jump the gap at the spark plug. Therefore, if you have a 20,000V stock coil, and a .025" gap, it will run about 12,000V. With a 60,000V coil and .025" gap, it will run about 12,000V.

c) Higher *actual* spark voltage means nothing. You can increase your plug gap, and increase your spark Voltage Dramatically. Larger Gap=Higher Voltage. Weather or not the stock coil can jump that gap at maximum load and RPM is another matter entirely. *BUT* Larger Gap=Hotter plug, Hotter Head *and* Somewhat retarded ignition timing.

That being said, if your a/f mixture lights at 12,000V, it's going to light at 40,000V. The intensity of the spark will make an engine easier starting, and less prone to misfiring, but Does absolutely nothing for absolute Horsepower!

To break it down to historic data, and tuner tricks from the days of old:

In the old days, tuners all had Accel or MSD Super coils, perhaps an entire distributor on their modified Chevys, Fords, etc. But the engine/Carby was modified! The MSD distributors were much easier to modify advance than stock, and the very wet mixtures needed Required higher spark voltages to run reliably, especially when you add a lumpy cam to the mix. Also, Most stock disty's of the day Gagged completely at 6,000rpms, right where the engine was nearing it's modified horsepower peak. Modified ignition voltage on a stock engine did nothing. Just added some shiny stuff to look at when you opened the hood.

To Sum Up:

Ignition voltage means very little. Adding resistance *or* capacitance to the secondary ignition circuit does not increase horsepower. Reliability can increase slightly. What improves ignition systems dramatically is Spark on time, every time i.e. the advance curve must match the engine's needs. Something I think is woefully lacking on china-bikes...

YMMV, IMHO, Professional Driver on a closed course, do not try this at home, etc.

--Vince

[Qingdao]

I was thinking about this today and it hit me like a bag of oranges to the groin.

No more energy from combustion can be obtained by producing more spark.

Here is why. Highschool chemistry tells us that there are exothermic reactions (like internal combustion). All reactions require activation energy to start. The change in obtained energy is not affected by the activation energy.

However, the time in which the reaction takes place can change. Meaning a bad coil, plug, wire, CDI ect... could make the reaction take longer or not at all.



The point here is that ignition is essential to making an engine run proper; however, it is not going to change the amount of power from an engine.

To change the power you must increase the amount of reactions (increase volume of the chamber or presurize the gasses in the chamber), or make the flow of the reactants and products faster (by smothing the ducting in which it flows).

In redneck speech (which I most certainly am and I AM PROUD TO BE). If you want more power get more displacement aka bigger bike.

[Oklahoma_Outlaw]

Well I waited a month for this discussion to settle down before I thought to comment. Regardless of what technical data is presented, and web articles sponsored by competitors. Its the user of the product himself that provides the most expert evaluation of any product.

Its been two months since we started selling this product at the Lifan-Moto store. After selling two dozen sets I'm very pleased to announce that there have been ZERO negative reviews of the Nology Hot Wire. Every single user of the product has found it to increase performance including myself.

Here are some of the reviews by actual owners....

i installed mine as well tonight, and i am really impressed by want a single thicker wire can do to improve the bikes power. i highly recommend this!

got it all set up works great....... everyone should buy these if they have not............ best upgrade yet>>>>

it runs like it got additional 1 HP or something.. throttle responses slightly quicker and RPM goes up a bit quicker as well. Idles much better and i love it!

Well I finally installed my Hotwire tonight. I could definitely feel the difference. The throttle response and acceleration was a big improvement! I'm going to feel much more confident in traffic when you need a little extra to navigate the idiots talking on their cell phones and doing their makeup in the mirror or to get around the guy doing exactly 5mph under the speed limit.

+1 All I'm going to say is that my bike runs GREAT! I'm happy with my "Nologized" bike

WOW! I love this mod! the bike now starts first try with no sputtering, the acceleration has defiantly improved (i noticed around 55-65mph is where it really shines)

My brother and I have identical scooters. I weigh 20 pounds more than him and can jump him off the line and pull away from his ass now. THANKS!!!!!!!!!

Got my Hot wire on today.Deff hits harder,throtle responce improved, Looks bad ass.I think after engine and carb up grades the hot wire will
really shine!!! For under 50.00 Deff. a good mod!!

So far, the HotWires is working great! Again, the throttle response is practically instant and the bike definitely accelerates faster. Not bad for just replacing the plug wire for under $50 don't you think?

Just wanted to follow up on this after a 20 mile ride to truly test out the HotWires. The acceleration from a dead stop is truly unbelievable. I'm not kidding you when I say it really makes the engine come to life (and NO, I don't work for NOLOGY )! There was strong pull through every gear and I didn't even have WOT.

Its not like adding another 100cc in displacement...but it was the throttle response and acceleration that got my attention. Seem to help the bike get more out of the powerband. So a big thumbs up from me.

I received my HotWires today and installed it. WOW!!!! The bike started with ease, idles really well, and throttle response was instant! Took the bike for a spin around the block; WOW! There was a noticable increase in how fast the bike responded and got up to speed. Acceleration was definitely much faster.



This post is not to inflame any subject but to share actual reviews by users like ourselves with similiar motorcycles. I felt that a delayed response on this would give all of us that own this product more than ample time to evaluate it. Yes I have the Nology Hot Wire installed on my own LF200iii. I do not have it in my truck, my wifes car or any other vehicle I own due to my own uncertainty of adverse reaction to electrical and or computer components in those vehicles. For our application on our China Bikes I have found this product to be safe to internal components while giving noticable performance gains.

The owners of this product have spoken. There has been a resounding chorus of positive experiences and testimonials from users just like you and myself. I encourage you to try this product and decide for yourself.

If I can help in any way or answer any questions please do not hesitate to contact me here or on the Lifan Moto Forum.

Thanks, Stan

[DDG1976]

When they start selling for around $9.99, I might try it.