Bigger engines for Chinese bikes? - Page 2

culcune · 01-25-2019, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Megadan

As far as road bikes go, there are a few out there that were sold in the US. You can keep your eyes out for a CF Moto 650NK. There are a few new ones still floating around out there. Again, these bikes are generally several thousand dollars. You can still find 2014 and 2015 CF Moto 650's for sale with zero miles on them. It might be possible to get them at a heavy discount so the dealer can just get rid of it lol.

I understand that there were issues with the CFMotos that kind of killed them off here. A year or two after losing them, they stepped up and improved them. There was a Chinabike HATER on mychinamoto, an expat living in China, who ended up getting a model of the CFMoto which would have been a year or two after they left the US market, and he ended up taking back what he had thought of Chinese bikes. He has tens of thousands of miles on his, and has ridden from China to Europe and back on his. Sad we never got to see them with the improvements. I cannot recall what particular issue made them out to be dismissed here, but CFMoto simply stopped bringing in their two-wheel offerings to the US.

NzBrakelathes · 01-25-2019, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by culcune

I am hoping and guessing that with the rollout of fuel-injection, the bikes might get a slight bump in power; I do know that American Lifan's head guy told me that they are going to put the KP200/KPR200's fuel-injected/liquid-cooled engine in the XPect enduro making it 'more' than just another Chinese 200/229cc enduro. Hawk is supposed to be fuel-injected any day now.

EFI isn’t the best from china and a small bike I’d rather have a carb unless s true road bike
Delphi is ok but confused people and it has a fewniggly things and not perfect.
There’s not much diag stuff and I’ve found most issues are easier solved without it as the diag only shows direct faults but not the imperfections in running which more or less know what common sensors etc just need replacement

Chineeske · 01-26-2019, 11:14 AM

I just opened a new thread on this, I won't install a 'bigger' engine into my Chinabike but for sure a stronger one

DualSport · 01-26-2019, 01:47 PM

I don't even take my XR 650L on interstates and freeways. It does 80MPH easy but the wind and bad drivers over stretches of hundreds or thousands of miles..

I did go from NC to FL once using only highways and state roads but that took a long time..

timcosby · 01-27-2019, 01:55 AM

i recall a thread where someone put a 350 in the hawk

NzBrakelathes · 01-30-2019, 09:04 AM

Honda NX400 is a Hawk?

jimwildman · 02-04-2019, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NzBrakelathes

Honda NX400 is a Hawk?

No you got that backward, kinda. The hawk was baed on the nx150 bros.

That said the hawk makes a good platform for a replica build.

Mine is a red hawk, with the frame painted red, has an xl500 engine on it and, xr350 forks, swingarm and shock.
The guy at the honda shop thought it was a Dominator.

Asked if i had changed the fairing or something.. so he know something was different but being thet we never had alot of them here he misidentified the bike.

When I handed him the registration he said, Oh!

I may just sticker it up and call it a replica.

Skyteamst90 · 02-20-2019, 01:31 PM

I have done a little internet research, as sure as some of you folks, and I have found there are 350 and 400cc sized engines made by the Chinese, however, most only get about 25 hp max, whereas KTM 390 gets quite a bit more. It would be nice to see the Chinese market make a 325, 350 which would have at least 30 hp, to bolt into these bikes. It would add a little more torque and on-road performance for the American roads.

The second problem of buying that other than 233cc engine would be parts for the 300cc or 400cc, I have no idea where to look, and I don't trust the Taobao or Alibata websites

My wife lives in Brazil at the moment, and I am trying to see if she can get me a Honda XRE300cc engine, which is air-cooled and about 25 hp.

Megadan says its right, if they were to design a machine which has a better front and rear suspension, a little bit more hp, and a couple of little other things, it would be a great little bike for $3,000.

Red Hawk · 02-20-2019, 05:00 PM

Not to be a wet blanket here, If you drop 30 + Hp in a China bike you'll have a HUGE smile followed by a reaizaion the swing arm / rear shock won't take large jumps and the front forkes are WAY too thin. You'll find the limits fast, upgrades will be next. Cush drive, bigger front brakes, suspension.

I love the idea !!

MDStroup · 02-20-2019, 07:15 PM

If the Loncin Cbt250 was imported, i would buy it in a heartbeat! I just love the looks of it and i like twins.

https://imgur.com/a/5gHwcPL

Or what ever this bike is called.

robertj1984 · 05-16-2023, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Megadan

Nobody is talking about an engine swap here. This is about other bikes with larger engines.

Don’t be a jerk.. I would love to find a 250 ninja engine for sale near me at a fair price and put it on my hawk..

Thumper · 05-16-2023, 08:08 PM

These 250s can get pretty hot if you work them on the trail.

A liquid jacketed ZS 297cc is available on some imports we have available. Counterbalanced, DOHC, and 6 speed, too. I haven't found one that is street legal out of the box, but their are conversion kits for lighting. Some "300" are 270-ish displacement making 25hp, but the 297cc engine makes 30hp. This sounds great!

One example of this is the TM38 (Trailmaster). It's about $4k right now.

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timcosby Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: robertsdale alabama usa Posts: 1,007	i recall a thread where someone put a 350 in the hawk __________________ 1991 harley heritage softail classic 2016 hawk kaw h1 400 tripple 13' long chopper in progress 2009 johnny pag bar hog 2004 hd electra glide ultra classic shriner edition 1997 harley davidson 1200 sportster 1972 harley davidson amf sx250
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Skyteamst90 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Minneapolis, mn Posts: 175	250-400cc engines I have done a little internet research, as sure as some of you folks, and I have found there are 350 and 400cc sized engines made by the Chinese, however, most only get about 25 hp max, whereas KTM 390 gets quite a bit more. It would be nice to see the Chinese market make a 325, 350 which would have at least 30 hp, to bolt into these bikes. It would add a little more torque and on-road performance for the American roads. The second problem of buying that other than 233cc engine would be parts for the 300cc or 400cc, I have no idea where to look, and I don't trust the Taobao or Alibata websites My wife lives in Brazil at the moment, and I am trying to see if she can get me a Honda XRE300cc engine, which is air-cooled and about 25 hp. Megadan says its right, if they were to design a machine which has a better front and rear suspension, a little bit more hp, and a couple of little other things, it would be a great little bike for $3,000. __________________ On the radar: CSC - TT250 Moto Aventure ride 2020. "If everyone is thinking the same thing, no one is thinking." Gen. Patton. -2017 Suzuki SV650 -2015 BASHAN - STORM Current mods: LED headlight & tail light, LED fog light, JT 428-130 chain, 47t rear sprocket, 4-fuse box, oil-cooler, CSC TT205 hand controls, 32" handlebars, aftermarket 295mm rear shock, digital speedo & tach, USB/12 volt accessory; painted flat-black. -2005 Skyteam ST90 (sitting in pieces) -2003 Buell Blast - SOLD
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02-20-2019, 05:00 PM	#24
Red Hawk Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: NEPA Posts: 273	Not to be a wet blanket here, If you drop 30 + Hp in a China bike you'll have a HUGE smile followed by a reaizaion the swing arm / rear shock won't take large jumps and the front forkes are WAY too thin. You'll find the limits fast, upgrades will be next. Cush drive, bigger front brakes, suspension. I love the idea !! __________________ 2018 Hawk P&P Decked .040 off the head. 17/43 D.I.D. 428, NGK Iridium plug, DeCat, Wrapped pipe, Custom S.S. Muffler core, Nibbi PE30 115/35, L.E.D. Lights, Digital Cluster, USB port, Cutting Bord skid plate, Oil cooler w/ custom CRF oil filter inline, 5Wt fork oil, Rear Shock, CNC Back Rack, 30mm FAT bars, Bark Busters, ProGrips, Adjustable levers, Shinko 700’s lots of Loctite!
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05-16-2023, 08:08 PM	#27
Thumper Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: Kansas City Posts: 2,237	These 250s can get pretty hot if you work them on the trail. A liquid jacketed ZS 297cc is available on some imports we have available. Counterbalanced, DOHC, and 6 speed, too. I haven't found one that is street legal out of the box, but their are conversion kits for lighting. Some "300" are 270-ish displacement making 25hp, but the 297cc engine makes 30hp. This sounds great! One example of this is the TM38 (Trailmaster). It's about $4k right now. __________________ -2022 5 speed Templar X Orange, OEM 51T rear sprocket, 14T front sprocket -NOS 2020 KTM 250SX (2-stroke motocross), less than 10 hours on it Last edited by Thumper; 05-16-2023 at 08:57 PM.
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01-26-2019, 11:14 AM	#18
Chineeske Join Date: May 2018 Posts: 29	I just opened a new thread on this, I won't install a 'bigger' engine into my Chinabike but for sure a stronger one
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01-26-2019, 01:47 PM	#19
DualSport Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 173	I don't even take my XR 650L on interstates and freeways. It does 80MPH easy but the wind and bad drivers over stretches of hundreds or thousands of miles.. I did go from NC to FL once using only highways and state roads but that took a long time..
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02-20-2019, 07:15 PM	#25
MDStroup Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 207	If the Loncin Cbt250 was imported, i would buy it in a heartbeat! I just love the looks of it and i like twins. https://imgur.com/a/5gHwcPL Or what ever this bike is called.
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