Templar 250 (not X or M)

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Thumper

Take a look at post #!9 in my thread called
2022 Templar X 250 build quality and assembly
in the pics and video section
(https://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=31046)

I had 45 pilot jet but switched to 42. It was too rich. 125 seems right for the main below 1500 feet above sea level. I am at about 800 feet.

one small washer is enough for the shim (~1mm).

Thanks, your thread was the tipping point for me right before I ordered my Templar. I forgot to bookmark it, now corrected. I'm at 300' ASL but will ride up to 2000'ASL mostly. It might be possible to get the carb out without removing the rear frame but it sure made things much easier.

Any thoughts on why my new turn signals don't work correctly? I'm not sure whether to order new signals or try a new flasher relay first. I have no experience with sequential LED lighting. TIA

BTW, I apologize for the lack of photos. I'll correct that soon.

EDIT: I believe I have found a solution for my turn signals. I'll post my results later.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

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EDIT: I believe I have found a solution for my turn signals. I'll post my results later.

I see. As you can see on my short video, the sequential flasher on the ones I bought go through the entire sequence with the OEM flasher unit. Maybe the ones you got need more time. I hope the replacement flasher has a setting that works.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Thumper

I see. As you can see on my short video, the sequential flasher on the ones I bought go through the entire sequence with the OEM flasher unit. Maybe the ones you got need more time. I hope the replacement flasher has a setting that works.

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new flasher relay. I really think they sent me the same signals you got from eBay. FWIW the headlamp bulb is an H6 and the oem unit appears well suited to a reflector housing.

How many turns out do you suggest for the idle mixture screw? When I drilled the cap the bit hit the screw and may have turned it. IIRC the typical setting is 1.5 turns out but what are you running?

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

I'm cautiously optimistic about the new flasher relay. I really think they sent me the same signals you got from eBay. FWIW the headlamp bulb is an H6 and the oem unit appears well suited to a reflector housing.

I found mine at half turn out when I drilled it out. I dropped the pilot back to a #32. 35 was too rich on mine. I think I will try one turn out. I am glad it is easily adjusted from the side. Might need adjusting.

How many turns out do you suggest for the idle mixture screw? When I drilled the cap the bit hit the screw and may have turned it. IIRC the typical setting is 1.5 turns out but what are you running?

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[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Thumper

I found mine at half turn out when I drilled it out. I dropped the pilot back to a #42. 45 was too rich on mine. I think I will try one turn out. I am glad it is easily adjusted from the side. Might need adjusting.

Fixed it!

I tested the new signals on the battery and they work properly so the new relay should do the job.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Fixed it!

I tested the new signals on the battery and they work properly so the new relay should do the job.

It sounds like the relay is drawing too much current, dropping the voltage. Yup, needs new relay. Makes sense!

OH... Maybe the voltage is down on the battery. That could cause this too. It should read at least 12.5V, more like 13.2V if charged. I got a Weize YTX5L-BS which fits perfectly, edge to edge in the battery cradle. It has more CCA too. There are probably others with same dimensions. Or try charging your existing battery.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Thumper

It sounds like the relay is drawing too much current, dropping the voltage. Yup, needs new relay. Makes sense!

OH... Maybe the voltage is down on the battery. That could cause this too. It should read at least 12.5V, more like 13.2V if charged. I got a Weize YTX5L-BS which fits perfectly, edge to edge in the battery cradle. It has more CCA too. There are probably others with same dimensions. Or try charging your existing battery.

The battery is fully charged (12.65v). The signal controls the illumination sequence, the relay controls the duration of current supply to the signal. The relay was removing current before the sequence was complete. It was dim because only 5-6 LEDs lit per flash. By slowing the flash and extending the current duration the signal can complete the sequence now. This also makes them brighter because all the LEDs now light up on every flash. Of course they are even brighter with the engine running due to the higher voltage.

I got everything back together and the only thing I forgot was the little crush washer on the choke where it mates with the carb and to take photos. I'll put it back on the next time I have things apart. I had two disappointing surprises during disassembly/reassembly. The left side tapped hole in the rear subframe where the rear taillight support frame attaches was stripped and the idle screw is hidden behind and tight against the frame making it very difficult to adjust. The stripped threads are an easy fix but the idle screw will always be a PITA.

Despite the problems, I like it more and more. Now all I need is some 40*+ days to ride it!

[Texas Pete]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

How many turns out do you suggest for the idle mixture screw? When I drilled the cap the bit hit the screw and may have turned it. IIRC the typical setting is 1.5 turns out but what are you running?

If you want the optimal range: 1 1/4 and 2 1/4 turns out if your motor is behaving as it should be between these ranges (Step 2. in full carburetor tuning post) then you have the correct pilot jet size.


If you want a process to do a full carburetor tuning:
https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=31995

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by Texas Pete

If you want the optimal range: 1 1/4 and 2 1/4 turns out if your motor is behaving as it should be between these ranges (Step 2. in full carburetor tuning post) then you have the correct pilot jet size.

If you want a process to do a full carburetor tuning:
https://chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=31995

Thanks Pete! I'm starting off with modest one step richer pilot and main jets and 2 washers on the needle. We shall see.

[btr22]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Thanks Pete! I'm starting off with modest one step richer pilot and main jets and 2 washers on the needle. We shall see.

Freddy, did you stick with the 2 washers on the needle? I'm about to take my carb out and rejet.

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by btr22

Freddy, did you stick with the 2 washers on the needle? I'm about to take my carb out and rejet.

Yes, 2 M3 washers (1mm).