I can't find the right button for the solenoid starter, help please :) - Page 3

humanbeing · 03-14-2016, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Riley W

wait, so i wouldn't even have a starter solenoid? i would just a have switch connecting the starter motor wire and the positive battery ...

Needs a starter solenoid (Relay http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relay aka "magnetic s/w" by some guys ) cuz most s/w can't handle that HUGE current...
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Riley W · 03-14-2016, 08:13 PM

Should I get a different relay? Because it seems impossible to find the right switch for this particular relay http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/2218456...035966&lpid=82<-- This is the relay that i have. I could replace it with another relay just give me a link, thanks

humanbeing · 03-14-2016, 08:30 PM

Everything is possible http://www.chinariders.net/showthread.php?t=7142

Riley W · 03-14-2016, 09:07 PM

i cant click on the link on that thread, it says 404 not found. Could you link me a toggle/push button that will fit these wires.

Bruce's · 03-14-2016, 10:45 PM

Seriously ? Just cut the terminals off and replace them with the ones you want .

Riley W · 03-15-2016, 12:00 AM

I researched a bunch and I understand, my plan is to cut the old terminals off and crimp new ones on that will fit this switch http://www.parts-express.com/momenta...m_campaign=pla does this all sound good?

Riley W · 03-15-2016, 01:00 AM

Or could I just not even use a starter solenoid and buy a switch that could handle the amps that the positive battery lead and starter wire produce?

Bruce's · 03-15-2016, 02:39 AM

Monarch hydraulics #03416. Is the switch I have .Its used for a hydraulic tailgate on the back of a 5 ton truck so a truck shop should be able to find you one .No relay required and very simple wiring .

Riley W · 03-15-2016, 03:37 AM

thanks so much

I think i'm finally done with the wiring

I do have a question about starting the engine, i did buy a pulse fuel pump but i don't know how to get it running for the first time, since the pulse pump relies on the engine to create pulses and then pumps the fuel. maybe i use a gravity fed system and then convert it? would the starter motor create a pulse to get the fuel pumping?

Bruce's · 03-15-2016, 04:31 AM

The pulse pump will usually prime the engine with the starter .Its sometimes easier to just squirt some fuel into the intake and prime it that way .

Riley W · 03-16-2016, 08:03 PM

So i got the fuel pump mounted on the seat and i tried to start it for the first time by touching the positive wire and starter wire, and for like 5 minutes the fuel was cycling through the fuel pump system till i heard some promising bangs. I kept at it till it finally started and this was my first real engine build (predator 212 doesn't really count) so i couldn't tell if anything went wrong, although i couldn't rev it, and i didn't see the carburetor slide move at all so i felt like something could be very wrong. Sometimes the engine died because it looked like it wasn't getting sufficient fuel but all i had too do was start it again and it ran fine. I feel like theirs something wrong. I took a video of it all

Riley W · 03-17-2016, 06:55 PM

so i fixed most of the issues with the kart

and this was the result Thanks everyone!

SpudRider · 03-17-2016, 07:41 PM

Good work.

Bruce's · 03-17-2016, 09:52 PM

Looking at your shirt ,it must of felt like Christmas for you .

Adjuster · 03-18-2016, 01:05 AM

Very nice Riley you are really learning. Always fun. Get your air cleaner and exhaust installed and it will run totally different. Air in and air out it is a balance. Make sure you know which way your choke lever operates for open and close. Good work buddy. It actually sounds pretty good.

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03-14-2016, 08:13 PM	#32
Riley W Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60	Should I get a different relay? Because it seems impossible to find the right switch for this particular relay http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/2218456...035966&lpid=82<-- This is the relay that i have. I could replace it with another relay just give me a link, thanks
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03-14-2016, 10:45 PM	#35
Bruce's Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sudbury ,Ontario Posts: 855	Seriously ? Just cut the terminals off and replace them with the ones you want .
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03-15-2016, 12:00 AM	#36
Riley W Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60	I researched a bunch and I understand, my plan is to cut the old terminals off and crimp new ones on that will fit this switch http://www.parts-express.com/momenta...m_campaign=pla does this all sound good?
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03-15-2016, 01:00 AM	#37
Riley W Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60	Or could I just not even use a starter solenoid and buy a switch that could handle the amps that the positive battery lead and starter wire produce?
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03-15-2016, 02:39 AM	#38
Bruce's Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sudbury ,Ontario Posts: 855	Monarch hydraulics #03416. Is the switch I have .Its used for a hydraulic tailgate on the back of a 5 ton truck so a truck shop should be able to find you one .No relay required and very simple wiring .
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03-15-2016, 03:37 AM	#39
Riley W Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60	thanks so much I think i'm finally done with the wiring I do have a question about starting the engine, i did buy a pulse fuel pump but i don't know how to get it running for the first time, since the pulse pump relies on the engine to create pulses and then pumps the fuel. maybe i use a gravity fed system and then convert it? would the starter motor create a pulse to get the fuel pumping?
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03-15-2016, 04:31 AM	#40
Bruce's Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sudbury ,Ontario Posts: 855	The pulse pump will usually prime the engine with the starter .Its sometimes easier to just squirt some fuel into the intake and prime it that way .
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03-16-2016, 08:03 PM	#41
Riley W Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60	So i got the fuel pump mounted on the seat and i tried to start it for the first time by touching the positive wire and starter wire, and for like 5 minutes the fuel was cycling through the fuel pump system till i heard some promising bangs. I kept at it till it finally started and this was my first real engine build (predator 212 doesn't really count) so i couldn't tell if anything went wrong, although i couldn't rev it, and i didn't see the carburetor slide move at all so i felt like something could be very wrong. Sometimes the engine died because it looked like it wasn't getting sufficient fuel but all i had too do was start it again and it ran fine. I feel like theirs something wrong. I took a video of it all
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03-17-2016, 06:55 PM	#42
Riley W Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 60	so i fixed most of the issues with the kart and this was the result Thanks everyone!
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03-17-2016, 09:52 PM	#44
Bruce's Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Sudbury ,Ontario Posts: 855	Looking at your shirt ,it must of felt like Christmas for you .
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03-18-2016, 01:05 AM	#45
Adjuster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Deerfield Beach FL Posts: 1,410	Very nice Riley you are really learning. Always fun. Get your air cleaner and exhaust installed and it will run totally different. Air in and air out it is a balance. Make sure you know which way your choke lever operates for open and close. Good work buddy. It actually sounds pretty good. /
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